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arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg remind me not 2 play against u :D, try out Sphinx Sovreign, I know it's MR but its a great card

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22 Nov 2009 by Jund4Lyfe

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This is just for fun lol. There is no way I'm spending that much money to make this so it's just a dream deck :P

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22 Nov 2009 by Cakins

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Like it, good mix of planeswalkers! But lol, very expensive!!

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22 Nov 2009 by domwmacdonald

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This would definitely be a good deck if it was going against a creature filled jund deck, but the best jund deck I have seen only had 4 Bloodbraid elves and the rest was burn and control. The prot red is good though cause it blocks terminate, and bolt. But he can still be hit by earthquake, wretched banquet, doom blade, infest, volcanic fallout, hideous end and pyroclasm. And since he's an artifact I guess a jund deck can naturalize him to.

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22 Nov 2009 by Don_Bocci

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Putrid Leech or Malestorm Pulse > Vadalken Outlander
Blightning will still rock your deck really hard
Jund still has more card advantage than you because of casade

You made Terminate useless, Bitminous Blast almost useless (they can still do it to their own creature for casade effect).

Meh... it seems slightly better as you have better spells but Jund has Card Advantage. I'm not too certain which will win, have you tested this deck out against a typical Jund deck? (There's a deck list at MTG.com of a typical Jund deck)

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22 Nov 2009 by Chilly282

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I was thinking of shroud not protection heh my mistake.

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23 Nov 2009 by Don_Bocci

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Maybe, but any good jund deck would sideboard fallout and if it was creature-less then they would probably run banquet and fleshbag marauder in the sideboard to.

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24 Nov 2009 by Don_Bocci

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First of all people who played jund decks at tournaments etc... are not at alll bad at magic. They've picked up on the fact that jund is a strong deck type, and the fact that you've made an ANTI - JUND deck shows that jund is very significant. I would suggest you think more carefully when you make sweeping statements like you have done. They make you look childish and ignorant.

Oh and btw earthquake will kill the creature, as it's not being targeted by the spell therfore it still affects the outlander. Check the ruling on protection if you don't believe me.

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01 Dec 2009 by Puffermad

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Protection negates damage from whatever particular color even if it is a blanket effect. Here's the rule

Protection

This ability is written as "Protection from (quality)." A creature with protection from a quality cannot be enchanted, equipped, blocked, or targeted by anything with that quality, and all damage that would be dealt by a source of that quality will be prevented unless the damage can't be prevented (e.g. a creature with protection from red cannot be enchanted by red enchantments, blocked by red creatures, targeted by red spells and abilities, or take damage from red sources, barring exceptions which explicitly state otherwise).

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01 Dec 2009 by Don_Bocci

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come on people jund isnt that bad. Coimbre won worlds with a very simple yet very expensive($700) Naya.

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01 Dec 2009 by dreki

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ok. The comments about this beating a jund deck are untrue. Some anti contol cards can easily be implemented into the sideboard.

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07 Dec 2009 by Puffermad

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Spreading Seas and Convincing Mirage just wiped Jund off the map in Worlds. Turning their Savage Lands into Islands screwed them over.

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07 Dec 2009 by mister_musiq

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For everyone to say jund sucks is very ignorant. People will always make decks that are particularly good against a certain archtype.Jund has been in the top 8 in pretty much every standard pro tour etc... and there is a reason for this. However, wait till worldwake comes out, and everything will change !!!

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08 Dec 2009 by Puffermad

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Sorry last year lol :P

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08 Dec 2009 by Cakins

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since it came out rather :-)

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09 Dec 2009 by Puffermad

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how is making a jund deck make me a bad player? :[ :[ :[
that makes me dissapointed,

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01 Jan 2010 by alexx.

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i am so tempted to pump a lil money into this deck and see if i can bring it upto Torn Quality!! its an amazing concept i love the whole idea of the deck (i was an Esper player) it looks pretty solid though ill throw some ideas around with a few mates and see what we come up with we all like are rouge decks so should ba a laugh lol

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02 Jan 2010 by bikersheep1984

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Check out my 5c Ally's http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=38488

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02 Jan 2010 by bikersheep1984

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Standard Dredge (82% , 9-2)**
The explanation here is simple: Jund does not give Standard Dredge enough time to set up its pieces before it can go off. It takes a lot of time to put enough cards in the graveyard for Crypt of Agadeem to do its thing, and although Jund isn't the most blistering of aggro decks out there, it certainly isn't slow enough to make a Crypt player feel comfortable. Jund mages who dedicate four Goblin Ruinblasters to the sideboard worsen things for Dredge in games two and three.

Vampires (72%, 21-8)**
Vampires tries to be a creature deck, but Jund excels at it. While the Vampires player spends little amounts of mana on cheap but efficient creatures, the Jund guy pays slightly more mana for big and more efficient creatures. Traditionally, in a quick beatdown versus midrange matchup, the beatdown deck sneaks the first few points of damage in but gets stuffed by increasingly large blockers; eventually, those blockers turn into attackers, and the midrange deck triumphs. The Vampires versus Jund matchup sticks true to this generalization, as black's removal spells are not sufficiently powerful to make that short-term advantage last long enough.

Turbo Fog (68%, 13-6)
Although not statistically significant due to the smaller number of matchups observed, this has to be greatly concerning for a Turbo Fog player. After all, the deck's strategy is to stall forever using many Fog effects it has available until it assembles the cards it needs to finish off the game. However, all of those Howling Mines also beef up Jund's offerings. Sure, the Turbo Fog player will stall for a very, very long time. But eventually they skip a beat, and that is usually when Jund goes in for the kill. Turbo Fog will likely only get worse as time goes on and people are universally aware of the deck, which denies the Fogger any surprise bonus.

UWR Control (67%, 8-4)

This one has me a little puzzled. UWR Control wins only four times in twelve games against Jund…but UW Control takes five of six games from Jund. I am open to hearing plausible theories to explain that, but in the meantime I am going to want more data. After all, there are only twelve observations for UWR and six for UW. It's not just something awful about this mix of colors, either—URW went 38-35 against the rest of the field.

Knightfall (66%, 35-18)**
Like Jund, Knightfall attempts to be a midrange deck in Standard. While it has plenty of success against the rest of the format, it seems to have one hiccup here. My explanation is that Jund is simply better at being a midrange deck than Knighfall. That is, Jund's spells are more powerful card-for-card, which cripples the guy not playing red. Terminate is the MVP here, as there can be some huge tempo swings when Knightfall taps out for a big monster and Jund simply turns two lands sideways and kills it. The result is statistically significant as well, the last of the statistically good matchups for Jund.

BantAggro(65%, 11-6)
Nissa's Monument decks fair decently versus Jund because their mana critters allow them to get out to a fast start that Jund may never catch up to. Although the number of mana accelerators will vary depending on which Bant deck you look at, they still aren't enough to speed the deck by Jund. The issue seems to be that while Bant focuses on playing efficient creatures, Nissa's Monument has splashy spells that can end the game individually. In contrast, Bant's creatures eventually lose out to Jund and its semblance of card advantage, which produced this result.

NayaLightsaber(64%, 14-8)
Patrick Chapin says that Naya Lightsaber has an edge over Jund, but that statement seems questionable given the results here. If Naya actually won 55% of the time, this result would be significant at 90%; if Naya actually won 60% of the time, this result would be statistically significant at 95%. (Chapin does not elaborate on what he means by “an edge,” so I listed both.) Lightsaber will still get along just fine in a metagame tuned to beat Jund, but don't expect to be winning this matchup regularly.

Emeria's Pledge(53%, 8-7)
Although there were only fifteen observations, I was still impressed to see Emeria's Pledge hold its own against Jund. Pledge can win in one of three ways: getting Emeria online and overwhelming Jund, sticking a Baneslayer Angel, or just a pure creature rush against a slow moving Jund draw. Wise Jund players counteract at least the first two by not waiting around to finish the game and by targeting their removal spells appropriately. We will see how the numbers change as I gather more observations.

Boros Bushwhacker (50%, 30-29)
When the premier aggro decks of the format square off, apparently there is no clear winner. I can offer three explanations. First, unlike Zombies, Boros Bushwhacker's creatures can still be sizeable in the late game, which keeps more of its cards relevant for longer. Second, fetching two creatures with Ranger of Eos grants Bushwhacker the ability to wave out Jund's more traditional one-creature-at-a-time philosophy. Finally, having burn in the late game reduces Bushwhacker's need to deal all 20 damage in the early game; instead, it can get in a lot early, stall out the game for a while, and then win off of drawn burn spells. So if you refuse to play Jund, at least Boros Bushwhacker is a legitimate second choice.

Jund (50%, 83-83)
If you can't beat them, join them. Unsurprisingly, the Jund mirror is a 50/50 split. Nevertheless, it is worth mentioning that the Jund versus Jund matchup is the most frequent in Standard by a lot, so you absolutely must understand the mirror match if you are going to play this at a tournament.

NissaMonument(50%, 10-10)
Whereas one of Boros Bushwhacker's strength is in drawing a burn spell to finish games, Standard's elf deck for the year can randomly win games by dropping Eldrazi Monument and going crazy. Nissa also benefits from mana acceleration; while Jund is playing one land at a time, the Monument deck can get some really explosive starts off the backs of Llanowar Elves and Noble Hierarch. Jund also has problems removing Garruk, Nissa, and the monument without Maelstrom Pulse, which the Jund player would have preferred hitting a fat creature otherwise. Consequently, you can play Nissa Monument without having to be terrified of the Jund matchup.

Red Burn(47% 18-20)
The story here seems to be much the same as with Boros Bushwhacker, except you are trading larger creatures in the long game with bigger creatures that swing only once. This matchup is pretty boring since it basically involves the burn player racing the Jund to 20, with the Jund mage trying to preserve his life total just long enough for a fatty to take over the game. You should not be concerned that the 47% is slightly lower than with Boros Bushwhacker, as the result is not in the least statistically significant.

Note: Red Burn decks that splashed white for Ajani Vengeant when 3-3. These matchups were not included in the previous statistic.

Grixis Control(35%, 11-20)
Jund's midrange advantage in the Vampires matchup comes back to haunt it here. Although Jund has a bunch of good creatures and Garruk, Grixix Control has a bunch of good spells topped off by Cruel Ultimatum. Provided that Grixis can hold off Jund in the early to midgame (which happens more often than not), Jund is pretty much screwed going into the late game. Hence this result, which would be statistically significant at the 90% level if only I rounded up a decimal.

Spread ‘Em (22%, 4-14)
Perhaps it should not be much of a surprise that Spread ‘Em finds so much success in this match. After all, Jund has a finicky mana base for an aggro deck and has really color–intensive costs to most of its spells. Spreading Seas directly attacks this weakness by taking out a color and benefiting from virtual card advantage. (Never mind that Spreading Seas draws a card upon hitting play to boot.) Credit Gerry Thomson for the tricky deck design, combining a ton of cascade cards that are guaranteed to eventually flip over a land enchantment. And the statistically significant result shows that this unlikely to be a fluke

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02 Jan 2010 by Puffermad

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it depends very much on the fog bulid, but Jund usually always wins against the typical versions used on the pro tour.

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06 Jan 2010 by Puffermad

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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Puffermad you have NOTHING to back up your comment!! Oh I am sooo glad I stumbled upon this... Everyone go to here and then look at Puffermad's comment: http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=8702

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11 Jan 2010 by Cakins

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plus your deck would defeat jund but do poorly aginst many other types of deck. And be careful how you compose your next comment, think.

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12 Jan 2010 by Puffermad

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how is cakins right:

1. people who build jund decks have no imagination - debatable, maybe because it's succesful

2. If you have a steady income, and make a jund deck, like the one I have posted, and use it in any sanctioned event, you are just bad at magic. There is no way around that.

firstly it does not automatically make you bad at magic if you play jund, this is ignorant and people will play it because it's a strong deck but has a weak mana base and is subject to nasty cards loke stag, celestial cards etcc.

3. I very much doubt about what you said about the fog deck is true, it wins 90 percent of time, do you expect anyone who is good at standard to believe that ?

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13 Jan 2010 by Puffermad

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in fact, this deck is a joke, it sucks. I've tried to be subtle, not too dramatic but jund is an absolutely fantastic deck. The deck has been honed to perfection over a number of months, and there will always be decks built specifically to beat it, fact. Like this pathetic deck for example. just cuz it beats jund doesn't mean it's decent.

if jund left the format, this deck would die. cakins you are a fool

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14 Jan 2010 by Puffermad

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you're a moron too, read the top of the page, and you might not make a stupid comment like this again. You shouldn't ever call someone a faggot without justification . the fact that you attempted to insult me with that insult makes you appear to be an ignoramus. He did in fact say you were bad magic, you're just like cakins, you don't think before you open your mouth. Son't ever talk to anyone like that again without proper reasoning.

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(If you have a steady income, and make a jund deck, like the one I have posted, and use it in any sanctioned event, you are just bad at magic.)

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16 Jan 2010 by Puffermad

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i'm not bad at magic you fool, you have proved for a second time that your stupid. You have no idea who i am, and therefore you can't make an informed decision on my playing ability. I also notice that you use very simplistic language, denoting a lack of intelligence.

You and cakins should form a special organisation for moderate retards, with special entry requirements, you simply have to be an idiot.

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18 Jan 2010 by Puffermad

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Cakins you have brought this upon yourself so don't whine, as i say you should be careful what you say

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19 Jan 2010 by Puffermad

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i do not like jund
sam i am

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20 Jan 2010 by dddd

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Not everyone can have an original deck. Although personally I feel that people gave Jund too much hype. Jund might win, but so can many other decks. People are just too lazy to experiment. Also, this quote obviously wasn't given much thought, "if jund left the format, this deck would die. cakins you are a fool".

First of all, you are getting way too worked up over one type of deck... So are you Cakins... This comment just seems stupid to me, because I am pretty sure this deck isn't made to be competitive, just to show Cakin's feeling towards Jund.

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24 Jan 2010 by AnC

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I think the correct name is "Walletslayer".

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24 Jan 2010 by Blightning

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I just read all of the comments and I've got to say, Puffermad might be one of the most stereotypical Jund players I've ever seen. Not only is he unoriginal for playing Jund, but he cements his inability to be creative and original by copy and pasting someone else's statistical data and argument. What an amateur.

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30 Jan 2010 by GreenLantern

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Ok the reason people netdeck, is because those particular decks they are copying, are very good. The player who uses a 'rogue' deck, a homebrewed deck in any big tournament (pro tour etc....) usually loses dramatically. To brekak into the standard metagame, you have to be very, very good. The reason people use jund, vampires, UWR control etc is because it wins and is succesful.

original is better in a way. However, when you play in an important tournament you have to know what decks your coming up against, and you need to have researched the most common deck archetypes etc... and phisicall test many of them in order to achieve success.

You ask any competitive player and they will agree, originality will only get you so far. I play competitively and have done very well in tournaments, so don't call me an amateur GreenLantern, just becasue i play the dominant deck in standard. which people have picked up on, and win with.

oh and irrelevant your comments are equivalent to your namesake. Oh and btw did your u/g land fall deck actually get anywhere lol

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31 Jan 2010 by Puffermad

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GreenLantern - decks convey no knowledge or skill = no count

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31 Jan 2010 by Puffermad

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And please do not brush me off by attempting to assert your "Superior intellect". Go ahead and say im Ignorant and Childish. YOur argumnent against everyone seems to be that they obviously are nowhere near the intellectual level of you therefore anything you say is correct and you are superior, and that they are no longer correct by you stating the are incorrect. I believe now is the time to say YOU DONT KNOW ME!

Just thought ide throw this out there... My U/G landfall RAPED Jund a few minutes ago.

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31 Jan 2010 by Irrelevant

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I really hope your having fun trying to insult a 15 year old kid ^^b

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01 Feb 2010 by Irrelevant

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and anyway age doesn't matter, it's no excuse for stupidity!

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01 Feb 2010 by Puffermad

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IQ is dodgy - The intelligence quotient test only covers a small aspect of intelligence, therefore one who does well in such a test is not necessarily a genius or intelligent. And you have no idea of my age, i could be younger than you for all you know.

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01 Feb 2010 by Puffermad

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YOu know... For all you know is a very silly phrase.

I could be right outside your window watching your every move for all you know O.o

See. And ANNNNNNNY way you obviously are not younger than me because otherwise you would have SAID you were younger than me instead of implying you might.

And if you DO play pro as you have implied above, as far as i know the youngest person who mattered in pro tour was 15.

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01 Feb 2010 by Irrelevant

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Oh yeah Puffer. This whole page is not devoted to you. Will you just leave and stop ruining this post? This deck is by no means good against anything but Jund, or something with some of those colors, which most decks do have soooo... Idk... Just leave already alright? If you wana play Jund with your netdeck buddies whatever, but you wont win at my FNMs...

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01 Feb 2010 by Cakins

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Happyface. FTW.

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01 Feb 2010 by Cakins

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Yes but just because many people fail doesnt mean the one who succedes matters.

Case and point: Lightbulb. Are you saying that out of the thousand tries that edison did to make it, the one where he created the lightbulb doesnt matter because he failed 999 times. I hate using profanity but ima join cakins on this one: BULL SHIT

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02 Feb 2010 by Irrelevant

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Well yes if your trying to break into the game with a new deck, you'll have to playtest it to death, to see how it survives against a variety of matchups. Of course,this is going to to take alot of time and effort to do this, but it's certainly going to be worth it, if you can create a tournament deck.

Plus i love trying to create new decks myself, and go about this process alot:-). So i'm not unoriginal

What i am saying is, that although processes like this do create some good decks, some of the time, these ideas are discarded, as a particularly important tournament looms, and players run out of time, or testing results are inconclusive, players will look to play well known, and poweful netdecks. E.g. jund, vamps, UWR, red deck wins etc...

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03 Feb 2010 by Puffermad

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You think i'm crazy ?

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07 Feb 2010 by Puffermad

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lol lol lol

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07 Feb 2010 by Puffermad

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lol i know this seems to happen with the dark depths deck i posted, sometimes anyway !

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12 Feb 2010 by Puffermad

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10 Mar 2010 by thekilleroffish

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10 Mar 2010 by thekilleroffish

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