BEST TYR 1.5 TURN 1 WOLF DECK?

Thanks for liking the deck. Please feel free to make comments suggestions. The deck list is pretty much very extremely close to being done. As such, I am not looking to make a lot of wholesale changes. That said, I am open to making slight tweaks, changes to the deck, when, if I am convinced, persuaded by logic, etc, as to WHY I should make the changes, and not because if somebody says "Because it will make your deck good, or even better than it is".

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In this comment I'm going to address cards, combos, technique, that may, may not be overlooked.

Progenitor Mimic. Some may question why have 6 cmc Mimic in deck instead of either Phyrexian Metamorph, or some other Werewolf like Daybreak Ranger, Kruin Outlaw.

First with Birds, can get 6 cmc Mimic on turn 4. Plus if use Metamorph, you can only make 1 copy, and usually don't have anything good, whether own stuff, or goes stuff to copy turns 2,3,4. Usually the good stuff to copy doesnt hit board until turns ,3,4, 5,6,7. While 1 copy of your own stuff, or foes stuff is good, many copies are better. Example, let's say your foe finds a way to put in a 10/10 by turn 5. Metamorph would make a copy yes, but then your foe and you both have a 10/10.

What's better than that? :

You make a copy of foes 10/1000 that they got out turn 5, on turn 5, so now you have a 10/10. During turn 6 upkeep, I now have 2, 10/10, 1 Mimic, 1 a 10/10 Token copy. Then I play another Mimic making a copy of Mimic copying 10/10. That means that during turn 7 upkeep, I get 2 more 10/10 token copies of foes 10/10. Then turn 8 2 more, for a grand total of 6 10/10 copies of foes 10/10.

Another example that show something about using Mimic, to copy a flipped werewolf.

So turn 2 you play Mayor, then turn 2 you play a Mayor, and then a Moonmist, flipping both Mayors, into 2 flipped 4/4 Mayors, Howl pack Alpha's, that produce 2, 2/2 wolf tokens, that pumped up to 4/4 by the 2 flipped Mayors, at end of turn 3. Turn 5 you play a Mimic copying a flipped mayor. Why? Because according to the rules a copy of a flipped Werewolf can't be flipped back, even if you, opponent plays 2 spells in a turn. So the copy is a permanent copy of the flipped werewolf.

So by copying the 2 pumped to 4/4 Mayor's by Mimic on turn 5, then mimic flipped Mayor is pumped to 5/5, and pumps the other 2 flipped Mayor's up to 5/5, and the 2 4/4 wolf tokens up to 2 5/5 wolf tokens, then at the end of turn 5 the 3 5/5 flipped Mayor put out 3 more pumped to 5/5 wolf tokens, so at end of turn 5, there 5, 5/5 wolf tokens, and 3 5/5 flipped Mayors.

Turn 6, 5/5 non token Mimic flipped Mayor creates another flipped Mayor token so now there 4 pumped up to 6/6 flipped Mayor tokens, that pump the 5, 5/5 wolf tokens to 5, 6/6 wolf tokens. Then turn 6, play 2nd Mimic in deck to copy another flipped Mayor, do now there 5 pumped up to 7/7 flipped Mayors, that pump the other 5 6/6 wolf tokens into 5 7/7 wolf tokens. So 5 7/7 wolf tokens, 5 7/7 flipped Mayors. At the end of turn 6, 5 more 7/7 wolf tokens are generated, so at end of turn 6, there is 10, 7/7 wolf tokens, and 5 7/7 flipped Mayors.

Then turn 7. The 2 nontoken Mimic copies of flipped Mayor's pumped to 7/7, produce 2 more flipped Mayor 7/7 flipped Mayors, pumping all 7 flipped Mayor's to 9/9. The 10 7,7 wolf tokens ate pumped into 10, 9/9 wolf tokens. Then at the end of turn 7, there is 7 more 9/9 wolf tokens made, for a total of 17 9/9 wolf tokens, and 7 9/9 flipped Mayers for a total of 24 flipped 9/9 creatures by end of turn 7.

That's in just 2 turns after playing 1 Mimic, and 1 turn after playing the 2nd Mimic.

Now let's compare with Metamorph:

Turn 2 Mayor, turn 3 Mayor, then Moonmist, then 2 flipped Mayors, at 4/4, 2 4/4 wolf tokens at end of turn 3.

Turn 5: Metamorph copies Flipped Mayor 3 5/5 flipped Mayors, make 3 more 5/5 Wolf's + last 2 wolf tokens now 5/5 wolf tokens for 3 5/5 Mayors, and 5, 5/5 wolf tokens by end of turn 5.

Turn 6: 2 5/5 Mayors, and 1 Metamorph 5/5 flipped Mayor, makes 3 more 5/5 wolf tokens, for 3 5/5 flipped Mayors, and 8, 5/5 wolf tokens. Then play a 2nd Metamorph copy of a flipped Mayor yo make 4 6/6 flipped Mayor 8 6/6 wolf tokens. Newest flipped 6/6 metamorph Mayor makes another 6/6 wolf token so 9 6/6 wolf tokens by end of turn 6.

Turn 7: 4 6/6 flipped Mayors make 4 more 6/6 wolf tokens for 13 6/6 wolf tokens for total of 17 6/6 by turn 7.

Now for the foes 10/10 by turn 5 example. Metamorph copies that creature, and at best have 1 copy, instead of 6,7 copies, thru Mimic.

So mimic better then Metamorph for all the examples reasons explained above.

Continuing comment topic above on why certain cards:

Why Brimstone Volley, instead of some other burn removal?

1. It's important to have at least 2,3 instant speed Burn removal, I MN deck, so that if don't have a Moonmist, you can pass turn, flip your werewolves, then during your FOE'S turn, before, during attack phase, chump block get a creature killed, then cast a MORBID MECHANIC, Brimstone Volley, that does either 5 damage to foe directly or kills a 5/5 creature that foe has, during foes turn.

You can also copy Brimstone Volley with Mirrorpool for an extra 2 colorless, sacrifice Mirrorpool, and then do 10 points of damage to 1 of FOE'S creatures, or 10 damage to foe directly. You can do this on turn 4, if you have a bird out, and if any creature died during your opponents turn yo turn on MORBID mechanic, deal 5 to 10 damage depending on if copied, instead of 3 to 6 damage depending on if copied.

So you can do all that: FLIP Your werewolves, Deal 3 To 6 To 10 DAMAGE To creature, Or 3 to 6 To 10 damage to opponent directly , on, by turn 4 of your opponent, depending on if hit Morbid, spell copied or not.

That's what makes Brimstone Volly, so awesome at only 3 to 5 cmc for all that.

Comet is good, but says you have to pay 1,2 red, then X colorless, the 1 multi Kicker per each target. So while in theory it sounds good to try to take out a lot of targets, with Comet, there usually not enough mana, cost too much mana, so because of that Brimstone is still better at 3 cmc for 3 to 5 to 6 to 10 damage.

Ok, I am Meeting Foolish Deck Builder's (His username) halfway, by cutting 1 land, 1 Domi Rade to go to 60 cards, 22 lands, a 36.6 % mana Ratio, (requires slightly more frequent mulliganning ), to go to 3 Chord, 3 Brimstone Volleys. Which in 15 to 25 more sample hands does get everything out more, as more 3 ofs, 3 Chords, instead of 2, 3 Brimstone Volleys instead of 2, make Chord, Volley come out early enough to cast them as instants during opponents turn when don't have a moonmist, in order to pass turn, flip werewolves, then Brimstone Volley foe, to slow down his tempo, while speeding up your tempo.

Have to Mulligan more often, but not so much, that it's too often, or not enough mana, or unplayable.

Also could add 1 more land to go to 23 lands 61 cards for a better 37.7 % mana Ratio instead of only 36.6% mana ratio.

But that would mean 61 cards. But may have to add that 1 extra card to make mana consistent.

Will playtest, sample hands, 61 cards, 23 lands, if it works, if Birds come out as often as should then that ok. If not it stays at 60 cards, instead of 61 cards.

Ok, wasn't getting the 2 planeswalkers out with only 2 of them, so had to add Domri Rade back in. And something had to give. Either go over 60 cards, or instead of running 2 Huntmasters, and 2 Instigator Gang, cut the 2 gangs, add 1 Huntmaster, add 1 Domri Rade.

It's a extremely tough cut, change to make, as Instigator Gang cost 4 cmc, comes into play on turns 3,4, turns into 5/5, pumps into a 8/5 when attacks, gives all attackers + 3, and makes such a awesome target for Progenitor Mimic. Wish could have him in deck, that room for him, but only way to put him in deck, is have 2 Huntmaster, 2 Instigator Gang, run only 2 planeswalkers, not enough to get out, take out Domri Rade, or not cut rade, run 3 planewalkers, and run either 3 Chord, 2 Brimstone Volley, or 3 Brimstone Volley, 2 Chord, and really need at least 3 planeswalkers, 3 Chord, 3 Brimstone Volley, but cant, if going to run 2 gang 2 huntmaster.

The only way to run 3 planeswalkers, Domri rade in, 3 Chord, 3 Brimstone Volley, as needed to get stuff out, is to cut the 2 Instigator Gang, or run 61 to 63 cards. As Good as Gang was, is, he was the weakest link, everything else in deck needed, better then Instigator Gang.

So sad to see Instigator Gang go, sniff, but it had to be done, lol.

Now everything that should be a 3 of is a 3 of, and the 3 planeswalkers are a 3 of, collectively as a group, and not a 1 of, and everything that's a 2 of like 2 Blasphemous Act, 2 Ulrich, 2 Silverheart, 2 Progenitor Mimic, should be a 2 of.

Playtesting sample hands, has shown the deck is working awesomely.

Ok, after do LOTS of same hands on the sample hand thing. Foolish Deck builder said it all when he said the deck is AMAZING, and that Progenitor Mimic, scares the **** out of him. Well if I had to play this deck, it would scare the **** out of me too. It's that AMAZING.
Everything comes out consistently. Plays like it should. The Werewolves get out semi fast, pump up big, remove annoyances, and then Progenitor Mimic starts copying like crazy. The combos come out semi somewhat semi often, semi somewhat semi moderate, semi somewhat semi some. The combos Interchange with interchangeable combo pieces. Chord helps get the creatures out.

The deck can be run with either 60 cards, 61 cards. 60 cards, if you don't mind mulliganing semi somewhat semi moderately semi somewhat semi some of the time, and or are a stickler for the 60 card thing, and want just barely slightly better drawing odds. 61 cards if you don't mind just barely slightly worse drawing odds, and like better mana consistency, less Mulligans, with 23 lands, a 37.7% mana ratio, instead of 22 lands and a 36.7% mana ratio.

So if want to run the deck with 60 cards, 22 lands, take 1 Wooded Foothills out of the 2 of them out. If want to run the deck with 61 cards, 23 lands, then don't change anything.

The deck is pretty much done. I am still open to making the slightest tweak, if somebody suggest it logically, like Foolish Deck Builder did, and convinces, persuades me.

So please read, view, comment on this decklist, use, playtest it, like, +1, the deck, if you like it, and share it, etc, if you want to.

Can't believe this deck hasn't been liked more. Lol.

For those on a budget, they can replace the 2 $100 a piece, Cavern of the Soul Lands, with a 1 Wooded Foothills, an, or 1 Copperline Gorge, and or replace the expensive $40 1,2 Wooded Foothills Lands with 1 Karplusan Forrest, an,or 1 Rootbound Crag, and, or 1 Copperline, as long as not more then 2 Copperline Max in deck land base. If don't want the expensive about $19 Stomping Grounds, can replace them with 1 Mountain, 1 Forest, 1 Cinder Glade, 1 Gametrail. Making all those land changes, would probably cut about $273 off the deck cost, which if you subtracted from the $437 midrange price of the deck as it is now without budget land changes, That would bring the midrange price of the deck down to $163, that you can buy, trade, build in about 2 to 6 months, without having to worry if it will cycle out of MODERN FORMAT. THAT'S DOABLE FOR PEOPLE ON A BUDGET.

Thanks for taking the time to view, read, deck, comments, likes, etc, it's really appreciated, so thanks :-)

Great deck, nice card amount. Really should get more likes.

Ok, so added 3 Simian Spirit Guides, cut 1 Huntmaster, went to 63 cards, 24 lands. I know going to 63 cards, 24 lands unconventional, but it's worth it for the Simian Spirit Guides.

With 3 birds, 3 Spirit Guides as ramp, Bandit, Mayor, Immerwolf, Huntmaster will come out turns 1, 2, 3. That is stupidly BROKEN, SICK, AWESOME.

Turn 1: Land, Remove 2 Spirit Guides, play Bandit 3/2 with haste, hit foe for 3

Turn 2: Land, Moonmist, flip Bandit, 4/3, hit for 4 or kill blocker.

Can easily get out Huntmaster turn 2. Can easily get out Silverheart, Ulrich turns 2,3, can easily get out Progenitor Mimic, turns 3,4

So because of that going to 63 cards, 24 lands worth it.

Ok, the deck is pretty much done. Can either go with deck as 61 cards, 23 lands, 2 Brimstone Volley, a 37.7% land, mana ratio, or instead go with 63 cards, 24 lands, a 38.09% land mana ratio, 3 Brimstone Volley's, instead of 2 of them.

Not open to making Whole Sale, LOTS of changes. Am open to comments, suggestions, advice, recommendations on making very slight tweaks to deck.

The deck is such a stupidly, rediculously, awesome, amazing deck.

Can't believe deck only has 4 likes, when it should have at least 6 to 11 likes at the extreme least, when Foolish Deck Builder who has 1 of the highest reputations at 200+, and has built hotpage decks, says this deck is amazing, should be liked more.

I mean what's wrong with the 170 + who have viewed deck, but haven't liked this deck. This deck plays better than the 550 werewolf decks on this site. Because of that this deck should be rated, liked as 1 of the highest rated, liked werewolf decks, on this site.

This is freaking rediculous. I take the time, effort to make 1 of the best, if not the best Werewolf deck on this site, and it only gets 4 likes.

Just don't get it, some players here

Ok think I found a fix to the only 2 Brimstone Volley problem. Cut 1 Mayor (making 7 non Spirit guide 2,3 cmc creatures, compared to 8 4,5,6 cmc creatures, and if count the 3 cmc spirit guides, then 10, 3 cmc creatures, compared to 8, 4,5,6 cmc creatures, so because of that should still get turns 1,2,3, 2,3,4 cmc creature drops consistently), leaving 2 Mayor's left, 21 creatures left, to go to 3 Brimstone Volley's, instead of just 2 of them, when need 3 of them.

And deck can either be run at 60 cards, 22 lands, or 61 cards, 23 lands.

Thanks everyone for liking deck, commenting, getting deck on the hotpage. I am honored, flattered. Even if deck had only gotten 6 to 11 likes, and hadn't made the deck page, that would have been ok. So awesome that the deck made the hotpage. But didn't think the deck would make the hotpage with only 5 likes.

Just when even though the deck is, was already awesome, incredible, amazing, etc, I just had to go, and make deck even more amazing, incredible, awesome, then it already is.

Added Mimic Vat, for more copying goodness, enter into battlefield goodness, combo with Huntmaster, Eternal Witness, Ulrich, Progenitor Mimic, Wolfir Silverheart, etc, goodness, and killing a foe creature, and Copying killed foe creature with Vat goodness, and deterring opponents from removing wolves, because trigger Vat, goodness.

Also added 2 Eternal Witness to add graveyard recursion, , returning of any card from hand, and to further recover from removal of wolves, and because it combos with Mimic Vat, and because it's 3 cmc, that can be dropped turn 2 in a emergency against blitz, horde decks, and because it's a Human, which humans, werewolves, wolves is the tribe, and because Witness combos well with Moonmist, Brimstone Volley, Chord of Calling.

The slight trade off was going to 62 cards, 23 lands, 2 Full Moon's Rise, instead of 3 Full Moon's Rise, and taking out Domri Rade, but think the trade off is, was worth it.

Also split the 2 Blasphemous Act Board Wipers into 2 of 1 of Board Wipers in Blasphemous Act, and Incendiary Command. That still gives me 2 late early game to early mid game, to late mid game, to early late game board wipers, that though 2 board wipers, are splint into 2, 1 of's

1 Blasphemous Act, let's me board wipe bigger stuff, and Incendiary Command, board wipes smaller stuff, but also can do 4 damage to foe life, an or draw cards, or destroy a foe land, to slow down foe tempo, while my tempo speeds up.

Also have Slagstorm Sideboarded, to combine with Blasphemous Act, and Incendiary Command, to give me 3 board wipe cards, which should be plenty enough board wipe, if needed, and with 2 Mimic Vat, and 2 Full Moon's Rise, 2 Mimic Vat, 2 Eternal Witness, I have plenty of ways to either protect my wolves from my own, an or opponent board wiping, an or to recover from board wiping.

Basically have to create the best wolf deck ever, in order for wolf to compete with Tron, Kiki, tier 1 decks, be a tier 1.5 deck, and that's what I am trying to do, either think I am doing, an or am doing in, with, about this werewolf deck.

Think between Deck, and Sideboard, and Maybeboard, and Metaboard, that that's as good as I am going to get it the deck.

Deck hit the Hot Deck Page. Thanks to everybody who liked, commented, gave suggestions, helped the deck make the hotpage. I am honored, flattered that deck made the hotpage.

Please like the deck, when, if like the deck, an or even if were to not like the deck concept, please like, +1 the deck, when, if think deck is a nice, ok, solid, etc, build, deck, etc, when, if want to.

When, if do that, when, if want to, thanks for liking, +1 the deck.

Also please comment, and please feel free to use deck, when, if want to.

Thanks

Mike.

Ok, again, just when think deck can't get any better, it did get even better.

Why, How?:

Since Mimic Vat helps protect almost any, all creatures from removal, because removal triggers Vat, and since Full Moon's Rise Regeneration only applies to werewolves, and not wolves, humans like Silverheart, immerwolf, Eternal Witness, and only applies to flipped werewolves, then it ok to turn the 2 Full Moon's Rise into 1 Conjurer's Closet, to go along with 2 Vat for 3 bouncers, flicker's, and to put Domri Rade back in for card, creature, scry like advantage, removal by making big creature fight a creature, and ultimate haste, doublestrike, hexproof, trample, to all creatures.

So why 2 Mimic Vat, 1 Closet, instead of 3 Vat, or 3 Closet, or 2 Closet, 1 Vat?:

If run as true 3 of, then get 2 of same thing dead, redundant draw, when don't need that early game, in opening hand. Having 2 of 1, and 1 of the other helps make sure that both don't get stuck with 2 of 1 early, while because 2 of 1 , 1 of other is similar, then it's like a 3 of instead of a 2 of, and a little more likely to come out late early game, to early mid game, to late mid game, to early late games, when creatures come out, after out, when combo, work together.

Also Conjurer's Closet is 5 cmc, so don't want 2,3 of closet. But do want 1 for reason named above, and:

Closet can do something that Vat can not do: 1. When Closet flickers, triggering ETB (Enter Battlefield) effects of Huntmaster, Ulrich, they can trigger ETB, and can FLIP. Vat can put a token copy of Huntmaster, Ulrich out, triggering ETB, but the Token can NOT flip.

So why not 2,3 closet aside from 5 cmc, already mentioned stuff?:

Vat can do what Closet can't: Make copies of any creature, including foe creatures, help with protection from removal. Closet can NOT do that.

Also both Vat, Closet, are part of different combos. Like if someone tries to steal a creature from me, I can kill that creature, kill Eternal Witness, trigger Vat, put out Witness token, then get creature back, then get Brimstone Volley back

With Closet, if Bandit is in play, flipped. Then you cast Closet. Then cast Ulrich. Ulrich give +4 bonus to creature, then flips, likely kills a creature,, because of flipped bandit, then at end step bounces, gives another +4 Bonus, don't know what would do with that Bonus since can't attack, goes away at end step, and flips again for the 2nd time in 1 turn, to kill a 2nd creature in same turn, because if flipped Bandit, Closet. So Bandit, Closet, Ulrich, is a very powerful combo.

Also can do the same kind of thing with Huntmaster. Huntmaster comes into play, produces 1 2/2 wolf token, gains 2 life, then flips because of flipped bandit, does 2 damage to foe player, and 1 of their creatures, then at end step of same turn , bounces, producing another 2/2 wolf token, 2 more life, then flips again dealing another 2 damage to both foe player, and 1 of their creatures.

And Closet can do that every turn. And Closet can flip a werewolf like Huntmaster, Ulrich back, even when Immerwolf is out.

But as good as Both Closet, Vat is, they are about equal, neither being being better then the other, and are both needed, wanted in deck, but not room for 2 of each, and Closet is 5 cmc, so play testing has shown that 2 Mimic Vat, and 1 Closet is better.

Could take out Domri Rade for 1 more Closet, but then would get too many Vat, Closet during game, and 6, 5 cmc cards in 2 Ulrich, 2 Silverheart, 2 Closet, instead of 2 Ulrich, 2 Silverheart, 1 Closet for 5, 5 cmc cards, would be too many 5 cmc cards in this deck.

And Domri Rade is so good.

So all of the above reasons, Playtesting has shown that 2 Vats, 1 Closet is better.

If you didn't have the progenitor mimic, you wouldn't have to have blue. Also, it doesn't really work off of the idea of this deck. It's a good card, but I don't think it should be in your deck.

I don't even know where to begin.
Your title says best tier 1.5 and from your description/how to play and from all your comments you don't seem to know what that means. I could be wrong, but I don't think you've ever actually tried playing this deck competitively. The reason Brian Kibbler was able to do so well with it was because it was in Standard and he's a professional player. His skill at piloting the deck and the fact that his opponents didn't have access to modern's removal and counterspell suite is what allowed him to place so high.

Let's start with the fluff. There's a lot of it. Just cards unnecessary to your stratagem that don't need to be there. Brimstone volley, Garruk Relentless, Arlinn Kord(don't get me wrong, I love this card), all of your artifacts, and pretty much everything more than 3 mana with the exception of Huntmaster of the Fells.

Progenitor Mimic currently has no place in competitive modern. I'm not saying it never will, but this isn't how it would be done if it could be done. Ulrich is super cool, but is too costly. Conjurer's closet does cool things if your opponent doesn't counter it or kill your creatures. Mimic Vat is just adorable, but is removed at instant speed by Kolaghan's command and/or abrupt decay. A lot of decks these days are playing Nature's Claims and/or Ancient Grudge as well. You would much rather be casting collected company or chord of calling.

You need, and I mean NEED, 4x Collected Company and need to bump up your chord of calling to 4x. I'd drop Arlinn and Garruk for 2 more Domri Rade. Personally I'd not even bother with the walkers, but if you must play some, make it Domri.

I honestly don't know what there is for werewolf cards that cost 3 or less, but any creature based deck that's trying to swing wide wants to Collected Company for 2 powerhouse cards that have decent enter the battlefield effects, or can swing through or around your opponents creatures.

From what I've read you seem to base a lot of your stuff on god draws that almost never happen. But let's say they did, you discard 2 spirit guides to cast a 3 drop on turn 1. My turn 1 I fetch and fatal push/lightning bolt/path to exile it and boom, you're down to 3 cards in hand while I have 6. On turn 1. There's no coming back from that.

This criticism might seem a bit harsh, but this is assuming you want to optimize your deck, since you want it to be the "Best tier 1 werewolf deck."

Now don't misunderstand me, I love some of the cards you've included and this would make an excellent table top deck or fnm deck. But it is not good enough to take to a major event and place in the top 32. For instance, you say you have removal in the deck, but most of your 'removal' is dependent on your cards transforming or having creatures in play to copy, and most of those are too expensive to matter. Ramp is good and all, but birds almost always dies. Always kill the turn 1 birds is basically a general rule of thumb.

Being tier 1.5 means you can take the deck to a larger event(50+ people) and perform consistently well and place in the top half, not necessarily top 8, but at least in the top half. And for the life of me, I can't figure out how you beat any established deck with your current list.

So you comment on your own decks like 10 times so they hit the hotpage. Good job. Feel proud yet?

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To address what Couch Said:

I can see why you have said wgat you said. I agree with some of what you said, and disagree with some of what you said.

Your right that mimic needs to come out. Its just to expensive, slow.

So to speed t up, changes:

2 Phyrexian Metamorphs that cost 3 mana, 2 life. I need to know if Metamorph is 3 or 4 cmc. Its effectively 3 cmc, 2 life. But it might be technically 4 cmc. If 3 cmc, it can be COCO ed.

Thinking of going with 2 mimic vats

Converting the conjurer's closet into a 3rd Simian Spirit guide for 3 birds, 3 spirit guides 6 mana dorks. To ramp out werewolves

Instead of 2 Ulrich and. 2 Silverhearts, which is 2 manyy 5 cmc and a bit slow, I wil run 1 silverheart and 1 ulrich as for 2 finishers
I will convert 1 ulrich and 1 silverheart into 2 coco's collected companies.

As far as the Volley's if you or anyone else has a better suggestion for a direct damage removal spell that better then doing 5 damage to 1 target and 3 damage to another target for 3 mana at instant speed that can do during opponents turn so that I can pass skip turn flip werewolves, then I am all ears.

3 removal spells are needed, so either not going to take out the volleys or will replace the Volleys with 3 other removal spells.

These changes should speed up the deck a bit.

I noticed from playtesting that the deck was a bit too slow.

The reason why I and others say this is one of the better, best werewolf decks concept wise, is that when compared to 90% of the werewolf builds on this and other sites, this werewolf concept build theory etc, is logically game mechanically likely probably better then most other werewolf decks at this, and other sites

. Also this deck has consistently beaten Pro Brian Kibblers werewolf deck that finished in 32 nd place. I know that it was Brian Kibblers werewolf deck because I created almost the same exact werewolf deck that finished in 4th place against Wolf Run Titan and Delver, and got accused of copying Brian Kibblers deck.

Now despite what I am saying about this deck, the reason why your probably right about this deck, is that werewolf decks are tier 1.5 to tier 2 at best, and are often susceptible to removal.

Also werewolves are a betweener tribe that unsuccessfully tries to play fast, and unsuccessfully tries to play midrange, and is not fast enough, and is too small not big enough for midrange, and doesnt have enough control removal to get to midrange late game.

This werewolf concept build tries to get werewolves out fast, and flips fast because of Bandit, and builds towards midgame, late game because of flipping, and because of Ulrich and Silverheart.

That said, if get turn 1,2 werewolves removed, and or if dont get Chord or Coco out, an or if dont last long enough to get finishers out, then toast.

Your right that this deck will dominate, win a FNM. Also right that in a 35 to 75 man tourney at the local gamestore level, city, regional, convention, etc, level it will finish 12th to 23rd place, and wont consistently top 8.

With all the right changes, etc, the werewolf deck would probably semi consistently top 8 at best. And in PTQ, GP, the deck would finish about 40th to 50th place at best inconsistently.

But the deck would be fun, darkhorse, rogue, etc, deck that would gove other decks, all that they can handle in only winning about 49% of games at the very best inconsistently. And even in losing efforts the deck would probably still give decks all that they can handle and just barely lose.

The problem with werewolf decks, is that werewolf decks just barely dont quite have enough to semi consistently get over the hump.

This wetewolf concept build is almost there over the hump, but like other werewolf decks its still just not wuite there yet.

Its still probably as close as can get to being there tho.

Thanks for your comment, suggestion, which have led to making some of your changes, tho not all.

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To address what Couch Said:

I can see why you have said wgat you said. I agree with some of what you said, and disagree with some of what you said.

Your right that mimic needs to come out. Its just to expensive, slow.

So to speed t up, changes:

2 Phyrexian Metamorphs that cost 3 mana, 2 life. I need to know if Metamorph is 3 or 4 cmc. Its effectively 3 cmc, 2 life. But it might be technically 4 cmc. If 3 cmc, it can be COCO ed.

Thinking of going with 2 mimic vats

Converting the conjurer's closet into a 3rd Simian Spirit guide for 3 birds, 3 spirit guides 6 mana dorks. To ramp out werewolves

Instead of 2 Ulrich and. 2 Silverhearts, which is 2 manyy 5 cmc and a bit slow, I wil run 1 silverheart and 1 ulrich as for 2 finishers
I will convert 1 ulrich and 1 silverheart into 2 coco's collected companies.

As far as the Volley's if you or anyone else has a better suggestion for a direct damage removal spell that better then doing 5 damage to 1 target and 3 damage to another target for 3 mana at instant speed that can do during opponents turn so that I can pass skip turn flip werewolves, then I am all ears.

3 removal spells are needed, so either not going to take out the volleys or will replace the Volleys with 3 other removal spells.

These changes should speed up the deck a bit.

I noticed from playtesting that the deck was a bit too slow.

The reason why I and others say this is one of the better, best werewolf decks concept wise, is that when compared to 90% of the werewolf builds on this and other sites, this werewolf concept build theory etc, is logically game mechanically likely probably better then most other werewolf decks at this, and other sites

. Also this deck has consistently beaten Pro Brian Kibblers werewolf deck that finished in 32 nd place. I know that it was Brian Kibblers werewolf deck because I created almost the same exact werewolf deck that finished in 4th place against Wolf Run Titan and Delver, and got accused of copying Brian Kibblers deck.

Now despite what I am saying about this deck, the reason why your probably right about this deck, is that werewolf decks are tier 1.5 to tier 2 at best, and are often susceptible to removal.

Also werewolves are a betweener tribe that unsuccessfully tries to play fast, and unsuccessfully tries to play midrange, and is not fast enough, and is too small not big enough for midrange, and doesnt have enough control removal to get to midrange late game.

This werewolf concept build tries to get werewolves out fast, and flips fast because of Bandit, and builds towards midgame, late game because of flipping, and because of Ulrich and Silverheart.

That said, if get turn 1,2 werewolves removed, and or if dont get Chord or Coco out, an or if dont last long enough to get finishers out, then toast.

Your right that this deck will dominate, win a FNM. Also right that in a 35 to 75 man tourney at the local gamestore level, city, regional, convention, etc, level it will finish 12th to 23rd place, and wont consistently top 8.

With all the right changes, etc, the werewolf deck would probably semi consistently top 8 at best. And in PTQ, GP, the deck would finish about 40th to 50th place at best inconsistently.

But the deck would be fun, darkhorse, rogue, etc, deck that would gove other decks, all that they can handle in only winning about 49% of games at the very best inconsistently. And even in losing efforts the deck would probably still give decks all that they can handle and just barely lose.

The problem with werewolf decks, is that werewolf decks just barely dont quite have enough to semi consistently get over the hump.

This wetewolf concept build is almost there over the hump, but like other werewolf decks its still just not wuite there yet.

Its still probably as close as can get to being there tho.

Thanks for your comment, suggestion, which have led to making some of your changes, tho not all.

I had my Galaxy S7 stolen. And so because of that havent been able to access my account here. And I lost my password, and xouldnt retrieve it, because couldnt access , remember my hotmail, yahoo passwords, and couldnt get the passwords sent to S7 phone number because it stolen.

So because of that, I am Asturonethorius, that posted this, other decks. I have created a new account. If anybody knows how I can get my Asturonethorius password sent to my Gmail email, instead of my hotmail email, it would be appreciated.

To address what Couch Said:

I can see why you have said wgat you said. I agree with some of what you said, and disagree with some of what you said.

Your right that mimic needs to come out. Its just to expensive, slow.

So to speed t up, changes:

2 Phyrexian Metamorphs that cost 3 mana, 2 life. I need to know if Metamorph is 3 or 4 cmc. Its effectively 3 cmc, 2 life. But it might be technically 4 cmc. If 3 cmc, it can be COCO ed.

Thinking of going with 2 mimic vats

Converting the conjurer's closet into a 3rd Simian Spirit guide for 3 birds, 3 spirit guides 6 mana dorks. To ramp out werewolves

Instead of 2 Ulrich and. 2 Silverhearts, which is 2 manyy 5 cmc and a bit slow, I wil run 1 silverheart and 1 ulrich as for 2 finishers
I will convert 1 ulrich and 1 silverheart into 2 coco's collected companies.

As far as the Volley's if you or anyone else has a better suggestion for a direct damage removal spell that better then doing 5 damage to 1 target and 3 damage to another target for 3 mana at instant speed that can do during opponents turn so that I can pass skip turn flip werewolves, then I am all ears.

3 removal spells are needed, so either not going to take out the volleys or will replace the Volleys with 3 other removal spells.

These changes should speed up the deck a bit.

I noticed from playtesting that the deck was a bit too slow.

The reason why I and others say this is one of the better, best werewolf decks concept wise, is that when compared to 90% of the werewolf builds on this and other sites, this werewolf concept build theory etc, is logically game mechanically likely probably better then most other werewolf decks at this, and other sites

. Also this deck has consistently beaten Pro Brian Kibblers werewolf deck that finished in 32 nd place. I know that it was Brian Kibblers werewolf deck because I created almost the same exact werewolf deck that finished in 4th place against Wolf Run Titan and Delver, and got accused of copying Brian Kibblers deck.

Now despite what I am saying about this deck, the reason why your probably right about this deck, is that werewolf decks are tier 1.5 to tier 2 at best, and are often susceptible to removal.

Also werewolves are a betweener tribe that unsuccessfully tries to play fast, and unsuccessfully tries to play midrange, and is not fast enough, and is too small not big enough for midrange, and doesnt have enough control removal to get to midrange late game.

This werewolf concept build tries to get werewolves out fast, and flips fast because of Bandit, and builds towards midgame, late game because of flipping, and because of Ulrich and Silverheart.

That said, if get turn 1,2 werewolves removed, and or if dont get Chord or Coco out, an or if dont last long enough to get finishers out, then toast.

Your right that this deck will dominate, win a FNM. Also right that in a 35 to 75 man tourney at the local gamestore level, city, regional, convention, etc, level it will finish 12th to 23rd place, and wont consistently top 8.

With all the right changes, etc, the werewolf deck would probably semi consistently top 8 at best. And in PTQ, GP, the deck would finish about 40th to 50th place at best inconsistently.

But the deck would be fun, darkhorse, rogue, etc, deck that would gove other decks, all that they can handle in only winning about 49% of games at the very best inconsistently. And even in losing efforts the deck would probably still give decks all that they can handle and just barely lose.

The problem with werewolf decks, is that werewolf decks just barely dont quite have enough to semi consistently get over the hump.

This wetewolf concept build is almost there over the hump, but like other werewolf decks its still just not wuite there yet.

Its still probably as close as can get to being there tho.

Thanks for your comment, suggestion, which have led to making some of your changes, tho not all.

Sorry for the accidental multi post of the same post. I clicked the post button 3 times because it didnt seem to be posting the first time I clicked the post button

Lightning bolt is infinitely better than brimstone volley. The difference between 1 and 3 mana for a 1 for 1 removal spell in modern may as well be infinite. And if your worried about siege rhino then roast is better. Or flame slash for those wall of omens. But brimstone volley is too costly to play.
Also, I never said this would dominate an fnm. If it is, your local meta is not very competitive.

Basically you're trying to do what coco humans is doing but worse.

Like I said, this may seem harsh. But I do like seeing homebrew decks, however I like seeing those homebrews optimized for what they're trying to accomplish, and there is just nothing I can offer on how to optimize this deck. Maybe if it was faeries or elementals I could offer some actually constructive criticism, but not o, werewolves.

So got my password to work. Swear I tried this password over and over without it working, so dont know why its working now all of a sudden, thats why I had to make a new account.

Couch I dont think your being too harsh at all.

At best Werewolves is somewhere between tier 1.5 to tier 2, with the potential for better IF with the RIGHT BUILD, AND IF get either 1,2,3 better werewolves, 1,2,3 better enchantments, artifacts, planeswalkers, better instant speed removal, better protection from removal board wipe, that would help.

At best with Red Green barely splash blue, with 4 birds, 3 Mayor 3 Daybreak Ranger 2, 3 huntmaster 2,3 Instigator Gang, 2,3 Immerwolf 2,3 Phyrexian Metamorph, 2,3 Green Sun Zenith, 2,3 Garruk Relentless 3 full Moon's Rise, 3 Moon Mist 3 Volley: I didnt copy this deck from pro Brian Kibbler. Its just coincedence that me, brian Kibbler made the same exact deck. Brian Kibbler finished in 16th to 32 place in standard Format Pro GP/World Championship, out of about 100 to 250 to 500 players.

I stomped Delver, Wolf Run Titan and other top decks in 1 of the Most Competitive FNM's, against the netdecking of top decks, against lical, gamestore, city, convention, etc. Its best finish for me was a special event local open tournament with about 85 to 93 players, with some of tge most toughest top decks, with some of the toughest players, about 1 to 3 of which are high ranked, compete in PTQ. Against that I finished in 4th place with this deck in standard, after about 3,4,5 to 5,6,7 rounds, 3 games per round. The deck wasnt cheap, and cost about $365 at the time to make.

That's the deck that this deck keeps on beating

Now I know this is a modern format deck beating a standard format deck, so not a true comparison, but still.

But thats the best werewolves have done. Between Tier 1 and tier 1.5 to tier 2 at best

Like I said this deck is a bit slow, especially against the top decks, best players, toughest, highest tournament levels.

Even if I were to build it perfectly, I am not sure I would want to take, play this at a PTQ, etc

But compared to ALMOST ALL the other werewolf decks on this and other sites, this is 1 of the better, best, top werewolf deck builds, amongst, then about 83% to 93% of the werewolf on this and other sites. I have seen, playtested, a lot of other werewolf decks, on this, other sites, and they are not good and not as good as this deck.

As far as your alternatives for direct damage removal:

Here is what I need:

1. Able to remove up to x/5 creatures

2. Able to remove 2 creatures instead of 1 which can be crucial to getting werewolves thru to deal big damage, or to prevent big damage.

3. INSTANT SPEED so that I can pass/Skip turn FLIP werewolves, then DURING OPPONENTS TURN Cast Direct damage removal spell

4. Do damage to opponent, as that combined with werewolf attacks can finish off opponents

Now all that by Volley is worth the 3 mana

Is 3 mana to much? Maybe, might, maybe even probably so

But is there anything else that can do all that what Volley does, for cheaper, 1,2 mana? I dont know, and I dont think so.

If only there was a 2 mana spell exactly like Volley, or if only Flame slash could do 5 damage instead of 4, and could target creature or player for 1,2 red.

So what does Roast do?

Anyways thanks for the help, comment

So got my password to work. Swear I tried this password over and over without it working, so dont know why its working now all of a sudden, thats why I had to make a new account.

Couch I dont think your being too harsh at all.

At best Werewolves is somewhere between tier 1.5 to tier 2, with the potential for better IF with the RIGHT BUILD, AND IF get either 1,2,3 better werewolves, 1,2,3 better enchantments, artifacts, planeswalkers, better instant speed removal, better protection from removal board wipe, that would help.

At best with Red Green barely splash blue, with 4 birds, 3 Mayor 3 Daybreak Ranger 2, 3 huntmaster 2,3 Instigator Gang, 2,3 Immerwolf 2,3 Phyrexian Metamorph, 2,3 Green Sun Zenith, 2,3 Garruk Relentless 3 full Moon's Rise, 3 Moon Mist 3 Volley: I didnt copy this deck from pro Brian Kibbler. Its just coincedence that me, brian Kibbler made the same exact deck. Brian Kibbler finished in 16th to 32 place in standard Format Pro GP/World Championship, out of about 100 to 250 to 500 players.

I stomped Delver, Wolf Run Titan and other top decks in 1 of the Most Competitive FNM's, against the netdecking of top decks, against lical, gamestore, city, convention, etc. Its best finish for me was a special event local open tournament with about 85 to 93 players, with some of tge most toughest top decks, with some of the toughest players, about 1 to 3 of which are high ranked, compete in PTQ. Against that I finished in 4th place with this deck in standard, after about 3,4,5 to 5,6,7 rounds, 3 games per round. The deck wasnt cheap, and cost about $365 at the time to make.

That's the deck that this deck keeps on beating

Now I know this is a modern format deck beating a standard format deck, so not a true comparison, but still.

But thats the best werewolves have done. Between Tier 1 and tier 1.5 to tier 2 at best

Like I said this deck is a bit slow, especially against the top decks, best players, toughest, highest tournament levels.

Even if I were to build it perfectly, I am not sure I would want to take, play this at a PTQ, etc

But compared to ALMOST ALL the other werewolf decks on this and other sites, this is 1 of the better, best, top werewolf deck builds, amongst, then about 83% to 93% of the werewolf on this and other sites. I have seen, playtested, a lot of other werewolf decks, on this, other sites, and they are not good and not as good as this deck.

As far as your alternatives for direct damage removal:

Here is what I need:

1. Able to remove up to x/5 creatures

2. Able to remove 2 creatures instead of 1 which can be crucial to getting werewolves thru to deal big damage, or to prevent big damage.

3. INSTANT SPEED so that I can pass/Skip turn FLIP werewolves, then DURING OPPONENTS TURN Cast Direct damage removal spell

4. Do damage to opponent, as that combined with werewolf attacks can finish off opponents

Now all that by Volley is worth the 3 mana

Is 3 mana to much? Maybe, might, maybe even probably so

But is there anything else that can do all that what Volley does, for cheaper, 1,2 mana? I dont know, and I dont think so.

If only there was a 2 mana spell exactly like Volley, or if only Flame slash could do 5 damage instead of 4, and could target creature or player for 1,2 red.

So what does Roast do?

Anyways thanks for the help, comment

So got my password to work. Swear I tried this password over and over without it working, so dont know why its working now all of a sudden, thats why I had to make a new account.

Couch I dont think your being too harsh at all.

At best Werewolves is somewhere between tier 1.5 to tier 2, with the potential for better IF with the RIGHT BUILD, AND IF get either 1,2,3 better werewolves, 1,2,3 better enchantments, artifacts, planeswalkers, better instant speed removal, better protection from removal board wipe, that would help.

At best with Red Green barely splash blue, with 4 birds, 3 Mayor 3 Daybreak Ranger 2, 3 huntmaster 2,3 Instigator Gang, 2,3 Immerwolf 2,3 Phyrexian Metamorph, 2,3 Green Sun Zenith, 2,3 Garruk Relentless 3 full Moon's Rise, 3 Moon Mist 3 Volley: I didnt copy this deck from pro Brian Kibbler. Its just coincedence that me, brian Kibbler made the same exact deck. Brian Kibbler finished in 16th to 32 place in standard Format Pro GP/World Championship, out of about 100 to 250 to 500 players.

I stomped Delver, Wolf Run Titan and other top decks in 1 of the Most Competitive FNM's, against the netdecking of top decks, against lical, gamestore, city, convention, etc. Its best finish for me was a special event local open tournament with about 85 to 93 players, with some of tge most toughest top decks, with some of the toughest players, about 1 to 3 of which are high ranked, compete in PTQ. Against that I finished in 4th place with this deck in standard, after about 3,4,5 to 5,6,7 rounds, 3 games per round. The deck wasnt cheap, and cost about $365 at the time to make.

That's the deck that this deck keeps on beating

Now I know this is a modern format deck beating a standard format deck, so not a true comparison, but still.

But thats the best werewolves have done. Between Tier 1 and tier 1.5 to tier 2 at best

Like I said this deck is a bit slow, especially against the top decks, best players, toughest, highest tournament levels.

Even if I were to build it perfectly, I am not sure I would want to take, play this at a PTQ, etc

But compared to ALMOST ALL the other werewolf decks on this and other sites, this is 1 of the better, best, top werewolf deck builds, amongst, then about 83% to 93% of the werewolf on this and other sites. I have seen, playtested, a lot of other werewolf decks, on this, other sites, and they are not good and not as good as this deck.

As far as your alternatives for direct damage removal:

Here is what I need:

1. Able to remove up to x/5 creatures

2. Able to remove 2 creatures instead of 1 which can be crucial to getting werewolves thru to deal big damage, or to prevent big damage.

3. INSTANT SPEED so that I can pass/Skip turn FLIP werewolves, then DURING OPPONENTS TURN Cast Direct damage removal spell

4. Do damage to opponent, as that combined with werewolf attacks can finish off opponents

Now all that by Volley is worth the 3 mana

Is 3 mana to much? Maybe, might, maybe even probably so

But is there anything else that can do all that what Volley does, for cheaper, 1,2 mana? I dont know, and I dont think so.

If only there was a 2 mana spell exactly like Volley, or if only Flame slash could do 5 damage instead of 4, and could target creature or player for 1,2 red.

So what does Roast do?

Anyways thanks for the help, comment

Sorry for the multi post again but my smartphone is making it real easy to accidently misclick the button and accidently nulti post

Also couch whats your reasoning on Domri Rade over Kord an Garruk? Is it the card advantage, fight ability? I really like Kords abiluty as welll. And Garruk can do 3 damage, remove a smaller creature, can put out deathtouchers, and most importantly seaech for any creature.

Having all 3 where all 3 walkers have needed abilities and where any of the 3 walkers can screw opponent, is like havibg a 3 of instead of a 1 of where any one of the 1 of's is helpful, screw opponents, and where aby one of the 3 1 ofs as a 3 of is likely to come out, be helpful, screw opponent.

Ok I know deck is at 69 cards, but the deck still works really good, and not going to go higher then 69 cards.

I also decided to maximize creature removal with 3 Lightning Axe to replace Volley, and cheaper 1 cmc mana cost, to go with 2 Rangers, 2 Huntmasters, 2 Ulrichs, 2 Domri Rade, And I have decided to maximize Fighting with 2 Daybreak Rangers, 2 Ulrich's, 2 Domri Rade.

And I decide to maximize pumping with 2 Instigator Gangs, to go along with 2 Full Moons Rise, 3 Mayor's, 2 Ulrichs, 2 Silverhearts, Kessig Wolf Run, 2 Immerwolf.

I added Rogues passage to help get a big stompy wolf or werewolf through.

So I decided to go with a semi aggro to semi blitz to semi Midrange to semi Late game lots of creatures deck.