Is MTGVault Dead?

by DracoStorm on 10 July 2016

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whenever I use this website now, I feel that people have stopped using it. And for those who do, they don't even use captions for their decks. This website used to be an amazing resource on every Magic: the Gathering deck whether it was a modern, EDH, standard, legacy or homebrew. But now I don't see that. The "popular" decks have been there for months, there's nothing new.

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Deck discussion for Is MTGVault Dead?

It does seem very dead. I think if they added a system like commending it would help everyone to be more active. People dont want to help others, just to get comments on their decks so there is no incentive to be active. I think the site is very well developed and a great tool people just dont use it how it was intended.

Personally i just build decks for fun to show friends on here.

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Posted 10 July 2016 at 04:47

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 09:23

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I agree in both your observations and uses. I've noticed the site having the same decks on the main page for a while now. I make homebrews in mostly-modern format just for fun and put them on here so I can access them from wherever. It's just an added bonus if friends or strangers check them out or comment on them. Never really complained that they don't get much notice, but it would be nice if those who make kooky, out-of-the-box, or stylish decks would make main page every now and again. Sometimes they do, but I see a lot of standard and budget decks and not much of anything else.

So I'm not saying we need forum links or any other social additions, but at least a means to keep the flow of main page decks from curdling. Feelin' me?

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 09:25

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This place is pretty dead

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Posted 23 July 2016 at 12:00

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Generally a deck has to be budget to make it, but some don't, both Mexican and Trump tribal had their shot at the hot page and were fun decks...

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Posted 25 July 2016 at 09:48

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Thanks for the kind comments about the site. Getting people to help others has always been an issue... unfortunately, most people just want help with their own decks and are not willing to help others. We tried to add incentive with the comment voting system and giving reputation but this didn't really do the trick. Achievments/badges may help? It's a difficult one.

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:06

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@gary, I think the best idea is something similar to what mtgsalvation is doing with the number of posts, but with points that have been accumulated. Something where the grand total of points would have next to your name something like "new", "helpful", "knows what they are doing", etc. This could help.

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Posted 30 July 2016 at 18:40

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i agree no one looks at decks any more people see a popular deck it gets lots of attention no one looks at anything
new at all dead dead dead

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Posted 29 August 2016 at 21:34

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Stupid phone triple posted lol

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Posted 10 July 2016 at 04:48

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Posted 10 July 2016 at 04:48

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It is not dead, but the problem is, I believe is that very few people actually like a deck or comment on a deck. It seems everyone is looking for something instead of looking to contribute. Also, I have a hard time contributing/liking a deck if you don't even take a few minutes to describe the basic details of your deck and how it works. These sections are vital as it saves me from having to click each card and say, oh yeah thats how this works. If I can read how it works I don't have to try and figure it out. Besides, if your deck isn't important enough to comment on how it works, why should I?

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Posted 10 July 2016 at 05:03

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 04:11

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There another side to that coin. People, like myself, ignore the decks with no description. I view it as lazy and antisocial. Also, there's a lot of decks that can look the same, but can go in completely different directions, and without a description, the reader does not know which direction you want to go.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 05:36

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Squidfreak, beyond commenting some new players or players looking for new strategy might appreciate you r deck description and learn from it. I think we should all use either deck description or the how to play section for every deck

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 15:59

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DedWards is 100% complete. Whenever I see a deck w/o any information about it, i just skip it. IF i can figure out whats happening, I would ask OP to clarify, but generally people need to add information even if its just a line.

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 17:53

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jukeboxhero00, i feel that is completely correct cause if people do not add that description or little bit of insight, then whats the point? It also does help the newer and returning players effectively.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 08:07

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The more effort you put into your deck, the less effort other people have to put in to understand it, the more time they can spend discussing it and/or helping you with it. :)

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:09

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Personally, I've gotten to the point where I only comment on decks that use the tags and descriptions, how else are you supposed to know what suggestions to give? (if any).

So, the Vault itself isn't dead, just majority of the users.

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Posted 10 July 2016 at 07:29

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So it seems we already know the issues. We should really implement a way to get users more active because this site would be epic if it were a more talkative place.

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Posted 10 July 2016 at 14:31

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Would love to hear ideas, we tried to offer incentive in the form of reputation points, but it didn't really work...

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:12

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I don't feel that the Vault is dead but it lacks motivation to like and comment decks and work with other users. I normally scan through the decks lists at last once a day but I rarely see decks that would motivate me to comment on them. How can I now if a 90 card deck with many 1 and 2-offs is built with the cards at hand, if the user is willing to invest something in this deck, if he does know that the ideal deck size is 60, and so on.
I also would like the forum to come back because it's a great place to leave comments for the providers, suggest improvements talk to others and get ideas. When I started here the forum was still online but I simply had no need for it. Now when I would be ready to leave my ideas for others I simply can't. Facebook might be a way to talk to the provider but it's now way of talking to a whole community.
The forum would also allow for something that might help beginners: Moderator/ people they can talk to if they really WANT help. At the moment I can' leave a note anywhere to tell the people on what I can help them (modern, tribal, combo, ...). If I would do this with a deck it would soon vanish, be it on the official list or on my own list.
Like all the posters above me , and all those who might follow, I would appreciate that people describe and tag their decks properly. It really saves time (e.g. 100 card singleton....) and you don't have to figure out how the deckbuilder wanted his deck to work. On some decks this might be quite clear for a trained eye but there are also many beginners here that are looking for help.
I also would really like to see some actions from the provider. "Birgthing Pod" for example is still flagged as modern legal, it seems that since January 2015 no bannings where updated. The problem with the double and triple posts could easily be handled by restricting post to 1 post per minute (or something). I have to copy each text before I click on 'Post new comment' because I never know if the system accepts it or delet's it (only after I did a reload, don't know if this is only a personal browser problem), and so on.

Sincerely
Muktol

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Posted 11 July 2016 at 06:52

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There should be a link or something on the main page that has deck building advice for new players as it seems there's a lot of newbies on here.

I'd also like the forums to come back. I miss them so.

We should also like this to get it to the front page.

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Posted 11 July 2016 at 11:27

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I'm quite a noob, so I was never here for the forums, but they sounded like a great thing. Maybe if necessary we can spam decks to the hot page as makeshift forums? Just a thought...

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Posted 25 July 2016 at 09:49

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This this this. I couldn't agree more.

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Posted 25 July 2016 at 21:15

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We were working on bringing the forums back a while ago, but integrated into the main part of the site rather than using a third-party "sister site". We turned them off because people didn't seem to be using them (probably because it was a separate site), but if this is something people want, we can certainly look into it again.

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:15

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The only dead part about MTGVault is getting advice on deck building and playing. Lately, the only way to get noticed on here was to be NorthernWarlord or post a forum deck. People need to reassess what this sight is and start telling us what your deck is and how it goes so we can improve! Also, saying "Your deck socks, change it" DOES NOT WORK! If you recommend a card for a deck, please offer a way and reason to substitute it.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 00:13

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 12:26

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I think you are trying to take my comment out of context, which is really easy over the Internet.
My point was, NorthernWarlord has had a huge fan base for a while, so of course his decks are going to be popular! And I'm also not saying his decks are bad.

My writing style is a little different, and can be described as a little blunt. Before you go attacking me like that, try to get to know of me first.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 22:56

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I apologize if it looked like I was attacking you or NorthernWarlord, this wasn't my intention.
The only thing I wanted to point out was that he, as you said, had a huge fanbase, and many of his decks got commented which got me a little bit jealous. Also, at some time, it looked like many people where commenting on his decks but don't look into others.

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 08:17

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Eh, it's just so easy to take things out of context these days. And yeah, but get builder with a fan base will win over all the other veterans commenting on here with their not budget and serious decks. Even my joke concept decks that work are overlooked. So sad

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 13:38

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I know. I've got a few decks onto the hot page, but that's because I have like 8 people I know personally on here checking on my decks every now and then...

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Posted 25 July 2016 at 09:51

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meh some of us just get a little busy lol. i know i have been very busy the past few months but i do like to pop in now and again. usually to see any changes or to put a new deck idea up.

http://cardgametalk.blogspot.com/

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 01:24

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^same.
How's it going DK? It's been a while...

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 06:16

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workin my ass off lol bout u man??

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 17:08

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I believe this place has been dead for a while. Majority of the popular decks are all "budget" decks. I just like to use vault as an easy way to share my deck lists but unless you are budget you won't see any views.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 07:22

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This, so much this. If your entire deck as a whole costs more than 20 bucks then nobody likes or comments. It is like they go 'oh, he spent 50 dollars on a deck, that's way too much money to spend on a hobby, next.'
That or some theme that people forgot existed because it's not good, or some 3-4 piece combo that's incredibly difficult to assemble if your opponent has literally any interaction.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 14:37

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My point excatly. It's not that it is terrible people want to play cheap decks but anyone who wants feedback on something more competitive isn't going to find any help here. This site is just known for kitchen table and budget decks now. Most of the competitive and serious players have moved on to places that will help them improve.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 16:23

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Maybe they didnt realize the importance of their staying on... how can there be any help or collaboration if everyone who plays in that way leaves? I think a majority of what the comments are saying is do not use mtg vault just for your own gain, but help others too. By leaving they made a scarce commodity non existent.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 16:34

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Except, you know, even at it's most active the players that play cards like swords to plowshares or any single card that costs more than 1 dollar were in the minority by a massive margin.

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Posted 25 July 2016 at 13:40

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This was the original intention of the site to be honest, I just wanted a place to store my own deck lists so that I could refer back to them. The first version of the site didn't even let you share you decks publicly or post/recieve feedback. Since adding these tools, it's been a constant struggle to incentivise users to... be nice. :(

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:20

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 07:23

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This website is still an amazing resource. I love building my decks on here and using the search engine.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 07:27

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It is a great resource, but it is the community that is somewhat "dead".

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 09:52

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Thanks for the comment! :)

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:20

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I am a new player, and to make things "worse", a kitchen table, just want to have fun with friends and family type of player. My problem is that I dont really know how to explain my decks, and when I do I feel like I am just repeating the same story on a different day. "This worked well.... This didnt work well... going to have to wait for stronger cards." My themes are very basic: colors, creature type, ability type etc. I have no desire to play in a tournament etc. So I feel like most of you wouldnt care anyways, and why would you? We are pretty much playing two different games. I have no interest in playing a deck with only 15 different kinds of cards.

I dont know how many others there are out there like me, there may be none, but if there was a way to help us find each other, that would be cool. lol, I have no idea what we would talk about, but at least it wouldnt feel quite so lonely. :)

I dont know if I am explaining myself very well, so please do not take offense. I have received great advice here, I am not meaning to disrespect anyone. I really like using mtg vault, I dont want to imagine having to keep all of my cards organized without it, and I sincerely hope that things turn around for you guys.

Thanks for starting this deck DracoStorm.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 10:44

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That's great. Kitchen table magic is fun and not a problem. If you tag your decks as Kitchen table, people will know before even clicking on the deck.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 11:12

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The thing is, it doesn't matter if you repeat the same, or nearly the same, story over and over again. I don't want to count how many times I have written "saw that card, built a deck around it" but at least there's something written up. And after some time you maybe want to add budget limitations, cards you would like to get but can't because they are to expensive (and are looking for some replacement), and so on.
My point is that I now rarely comment on decks that don't have any description (/ tags) even if I know that I could give some advice to improve on this deck or the idea looks interesting. If the builder won't take his time to write up his idea why should I take the time to give some advice?

As for the kitchen table: Write something in the description where you explain exactly why you don't want 4 copies of each card, more different cards and so on...and simply copy it into each kitchen table deck you are building. There's no need to reinvent the wheel every time, a simple copy will do :)

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 12:18

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Will do.... thank you both! I do not have any public decks atm because I bought some new cards and they are in flux. The next time I have one ready to share I will fill out the description and use tags. It awesome to know that I do not need to feel ashamed for my style of play. :)

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 16:00

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Thanks for the comments! Never forget the kitchen table! ;)

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:21

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Worst deck i have seen so far....pfff...not even budget

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 12:20

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It gets harder and harder for me to decide to take the time to write down the how to play and description, then make it public. Each deck will get about 100 views, then be shuffled into the void forever. Makes it very disheartening.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 12:56

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Yet you have only 3 decks you actually liked. Im not saying like every deck, but it doesn't have to be a masterpiece to like it. My point is your frustrated over a lack of attention on your decks, but you have only 3 likes. Not that a like means everything, but it is a good way to get it on the hot page or at least narrow down decks that are decent with the number of likes they have.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 13:25

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I have published nearly 200 decks here so far. Some few got attention and there was a good discussion, many others, that I hoped to get advice on, where completely overlooked. And I still write up the description, how to play and tags. Why? Because it's good manners on the one side, it helps me to keep track (Tags!) on the other side and last, I don't want a new player to view my decks and just thinking "Why did he built it that way" or "What he had in mind with this deck".
You can bring them back to the peoples mind with the "Unloved" feature (often enough doesn't help neither). Also if you built a good deck and believe in it you can link them for others that have built similar decks and maybe are searching for ideas. Often it's Win-Win situation: The other one is looking for information's and ideas and can perhaps leave a comment on your deck that might improve it a little bit.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 14:07

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You Have to be careful when posting a link though you don't want to sound like those people who go on a deck and just post their link

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 05:10

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I use this site for private deck brewing, not for the community and because my office web filter doesn't block it.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 14:24

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Ha! That is totally how I started using vault. It is the only Magic related website that workplace filters dont block !

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 16:04

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Same for me!

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 19:21

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Here here.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 02:46

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Lol nice XD

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 08:48

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Heh, this is why I built it in the first place! I wanted somewhere to store my own decks. Good to know some office filters don't block us! :D

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:27

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Same here for the office ;)

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 11:09

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Awesome, haha! :D

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 11:10

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 14:45

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Not trying to keep repeating myself, but after scrolling through the first 4 pages of all the decks you liked, every single one was your own deck. Not one time did you like another. People, this community only works if you actually go out and like decks and comment on them. Liking a deck doesn't cost money, and it doesn't have to be a master piece.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 15:26

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I find it incredibly rude to like your own deck myself. You built the damn thing, so I would hope you like it at least a little, right? And I'm picky when it comes to likes. I'll like a deck if its innovative or if I have a deck I'm working on that I think would benefit from what I come across in other people's works, and those ones will often come with a comment of appreciation and/or constructive criticism.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 04:41

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 16:15

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http://www.mtgvault.com/simicmartin35/decks/pauper-temur-eldrazi/

The "draw sample hand" and "deck stats" buttons don't work on my phone. Neither do "new deck" and "deck search."

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 16:16

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Thats because mtgvault is not mobile optimized.

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 17:47

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Super new user here. New player too. I've been at it since this past Christmas and I love the game. This was the first deck building site I came across and instantly wanted to join in the fun AND LEARN! I've put together about 10-20 decks on here and was really hoping for some pointers from some folks who've been at this a little longer. Never really saw much of anything. I know that people are looking at the decks but there's never any other activity.

So I guess my point is, to all the users on here who're a little more experienced, try looking in on us noobs every now and again and maybe pass down some know how. It'll only strengthen the community on here.
Just my 2 cents.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 16:31

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well as a player for around 15yrs i am always glade to help newbies. though it is hard for me cause i am very ruthless lol. that aside, find us older players and comment on some of the decks u like. let us know u r new and we can help. at least i will. i only say that b/c u really cant tell who is a new player just from the deck link. let us know u r new and we can help . i know i will through my 2 cents in.
http://cardgametalk.blogspot.com/

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 17:12

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Right on! I'd appreciate any tip or tricks up those experienced sleeves.
Thanks!

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 19:21

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not a prob its what i do, cant learn if someone wont teach ya at least a lil.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 19:44

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And the teacher can always learn from the student too. What i mean is that the longer you do something, the more stagnant you get, and helping someone new is a great way to shake those cobwebs.

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 15:18

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True story.

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 17:24

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There's not much of a difference between student and teacher. Sure, the experienced in certain formats can tell you what is to be expected by typical opponents. Seasoned players can give you tips on synergy and general usefulness of certain mechanics. Probability/ratio is a great thing to pick up on since that determines the reliability and consistency of its use. But style is unique to the individual. Sure, you might like the same things as another person and in trying to max its use find someone else made a deck almost identical, but it's just a fact that most if not everything has been done before at some point. I find some of my decks are like others,' but I make them from scratch, no emulating, and still try to put a style twist to them. I like them and that's what matters. Learn function, cultivate style.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 03:38

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I use MTGVault to keep a trace of my (real) decks, not to being popular with lots of comments and likes.
That's it.
Lots of forums exists in the web to speak about MTG IMO.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 19:19

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Same, but you know when you get that urge/inspiration to start building a deck and don't feel like searching for paper or typing all those card names? Yeah, that's when I hop on here and go to town. And if I don't finish the deck right away, BAM, here it is, and I go right back to finishing it. Sometimes you have one end in mind for a deck and find yourself torn between 2 different means that won't allow for a well-functioning hybrid of the 2 methods. That is also when I use the Vault. I don't have much time or money to play all the time, but I can always plot new "machines" for the next time I do get to play. A lot of mine use the same cards, so I recycle the expensive ones between decks as I use them.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 03:21

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I think that forums would be really a great thing for this site. Aside from doing something like naming my deck "please help" it can be tough to get as much input as I would like, although some users have been awesome. The trick seems to be just trying to be active enough to get people viewing your decks and getting them on one of the boards- like feast or famine. As I stated on a comment above it really is critical to the community that we fill out either the how to play or deck description sections and include the mechanics/ideas we are building on. I have learned (and hopefully taught ) a lot just by tossing ideas around with people.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 19:54

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We used to have a sister forum site, and it was awesome. Not sure what happened to it though.

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 15:20

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I remember the forums as well. They were taken down during an absence I took from the vault and mtg. I loved those things.

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 17:44

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We're working on bringing them back integrated into the main site ratehr than a separate sister site. :)

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:30

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This site isn't dead at all! There are constant posters, editors, and reviewers. You may just think that the site is "dead" because there isn't a chat room. Maybe they should add one.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 20:05

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Oh it's very dead compared to not even six months ago. I remember when the hot page was different daily, sometimes several times a day, and staying up there was a real achievement. And people actually talked about decks and cards and exchanged pointers with each other. Hardly any of us older site users comment or anything because there's nothing really worth it anymore. Everything is budget and apparently no one understands that it's okay to buy cards a few at a time if a deck might get expensive in bulk because of two or three cards. That's why I don't come here much anymore

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 04:50

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It is pretty dead. I was gone four a month and there were seven new hot decks. Three of those were about how dead this site is, like this one.

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 05:17

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Hot decks has been a pain since day one to be honest with you. I personally want to get rid of the current homepage tabs and replace them with a tab for each of the major formats, I'll get around to doing it soon hopefully.

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:32

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I use it as my primary means to share brews with friends. It's really the best site imo, but I also don't make any of my brews public, so I am just adding to the issue. People use it, they just don't interact on it.

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 20:39

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Thanks for the kind comment! :)

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:32

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43 comments and growing, guess something is still going on...

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 22:45

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Like I said earlier man, the forum decks......

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Posted 21 July 2016 at 23:00

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Yup. About the only attention you can get here anymore

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 04:51

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I don't feel that the site is completely dead but to rise this awesome website from the dark realms we should just make decks and post for others to see. I know that I always keep my decks public but I use the site on a regular basis for my mtg deck building needs. So maybe if we were all a bit more sociable with our deck building the site would seem a bit more lively. Obviously this isn't everyone but thats my opinion

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 04:15

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I post decks rather they want to comment or like it's up to them.
Just I only like decks that inspired me at the time to make a new variant of that deck, but a lot of decks I see on here just don't hit that sweet spot for me.

also budget decks are dumb on here. Just make a deck that is perfect to you then budget it down later, you have all cards available to you.

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 04:28

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Best budget decks are pauper decks ;)

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 14:23

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Many pauper decks are considerably more expensive than the average budget deck since there are some very expensive commons out there.

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 14:29

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"There are some" I like pauper but it has some catching up to do and yeah it's pretty cheap.

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 21:11

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Try assembling legacy mono blue control in pauper and come back to me when your budget actually manages to go under $100. And only if you actually include the staples of control at the pauper level. So brainstorm and ponder and such. No shortcuts

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 04:55

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Idk why I would do that but are you implying brainstorm and ponder are expensive or that the other staples are?

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 09:54

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you notice the owner has not piped up about this yet???

IT IS DEAD

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 06:13

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rather the owner addresses it or not doesn't matter. the users could keep it alive but choose not to.

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 06:18

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I'm sorry Hwedlor! ive just recently come back. And i love all of your guy's feedback.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 08:59

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I'm still here and I still add the new sets as soon as they come out(ish). The site isn't dead, roughly 400 new decks are added every day and I'm still paying the server bill every month! ;)

The main problem is community and how we're portraying/pushing the wrong things to the homepage tabs. We're working on how to resolve this, so please bare with us!

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:36

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I think it still has the best deckbuilder, but there are a few problems that do not get fixed.
- Most of the time no reprints are added.
- There is no way to contact support (the builder has some issues).
- It does not allow you to sort or organize your decks in any way other than recreating them.

Due to these problems I started writing my own personal deckbuilder website...

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 07:51

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That's sweet! I wish you the best of luck in creating your website because that must be pretty hard.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 09:00

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Since we took the forums offline, I agree - there's no decent way for users to get in contact with us. For now, the best way is via our Facebook page. Apologies for the inconvenience.

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:38

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As i said many times before, the algorhythm for the hot page is just BAD, but also, the way people use this site is BAD (main problem being that they focus on that damn hot page too much ...). I tried my best to help with that and voluntarily removed my decks from Hot Page to make room for others but it just wasn't enough.

The thing is, most people just want to reap and very few are willing to also sow. Read, everybody want's advice, likes and comments but only few will ever give advice themselves, they also never check out decks by themselves, all they do, if at all, is flocking to Northy and/or whatever other deck is active. Guys, a deck that already made hot page does not NEED any more attention! It is also, by no means, any sign of quality if a deck makes hot page! The true gems are buried somewhere here, but you need to actively search for them!

On the other side of the spectrum, what Sorinmarkov said is true, too: Most people don't give their decks proper descriptions, tags or even names. If I don't know what your goals, limitations and restraints are, then I can't really help you, it's as simple as that. THEN again, I also made the sad experience that decks with lots of explanations tend to be ignored as well, probably because of the "7-line-syndrom" aka tl;dr. With such an attitude, a project like this is doomed for sure!

The best way to fight this: GET NETWORKED!
Step 1:
Instead of the hot page, check out the NEW, ACTIVE and UNLOVED sections, pick one that interests you, and comment on it. Alternatively, use the search panel and search for deck tags or specific cards.

Step 2:
Keep the deck you commented on subscribed. When the deck author answers, keep a conversation going and if the author thanks you, ask him to return the favor with a comment on one of your decks.

Step3:
Repeat this process and encourage others to do the same (which is what I am doing right now)!

Personally I go some steps beyond that. For example I do have a "deck" here that is specifically made so you can request help on your decks:
http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/puschkin-please-help-me/

I am also still running this little thing called "Obscure card challange" where you can challenge me to build a deck around a card that you think is unplayable or that you just want to see in action because nobody ever used it but can't figure out yourself how.
http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/obscure-card-challenge-occ/


To sum it up: Yes, the site WILL die unless YOU will contribute. I am asking all of you that replied to this "deck"/thread: Did YOU comment on any deck that isn't your own lately? And if the answer is "no", are you really egliable to complain about the site kicking the bucket?

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 13:54

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I agree with everything you said here.

The Hot page is so bad that I don't even 'visit' the Hot page at all. The bookmark I use to access this site takes me strait to the New page, and I chose to do this because that's where the site is the best (imo).

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 15:26

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I agree as well on everything you say. I feel that the lacking thing is a lack of fluid communication between people. I really miss the Forums that were created. Those were glorious. I think that is something that is greatly missing and why mtgsally is taking more and more people away, me included.

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 17:41

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hey Pushkin, glad to see you are still around! it's been a while for me but I'm back to Magic after a while off.

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 21:24

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I am always around since I my main use for Vault is to build and archive my decks and to track down cards I have to trade for etc. Just didn't have much time lately to comment - it's finally summer, festival season and all :)

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Posted 23 July 2016 at 08:26

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Hey Puschkin! Your one of the few names I actually recognize on this site. I've probably been using this site for a bout a year or so now, and I've had a few good interactions with people. The occasions where this happened was when I actually put myself out there and started commenting on other peoples decks and asking them for help or insights on my own decks. Like you were saying, I don't think we can just throw a deck together, say "Wow, I think this is awesome!" and make it public, then wait for the likes and reviews to come rolling in. I really enjoy this site even as it is. It is one of the better deck builders out there, imo. I've really no reason to complain about it at all, since I wasn't here for its glory days. All in all, the sight is pretty good for me. For me, I try not to post decks that have no tags or explanations on them. Typically those are just built for me. Then there are some deck ideas that I get really excited about. For example, you said you are still doing the "obscure card challenge" Would you consider Demonic
Pact to be obscure? Im currently trying to build a modern deck around the card, but I need mtg to update its card base to include harmless offering. Anyways if you are interested in taking a look, I can open it to public view or can can just send you the link. The fun in magic is creating new and exciting decks, decks that tell a story. Flavor, if you will. Those are the kind of decks I like.

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Posted 23 July 2016 at 11:51

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Hi Willisson,
that's the spirit!

I don't think Demonic Pact is obscure, I actually made a deck around it already :) :
http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/faustus/

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Posted 23 July 2016 at 17:31

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try "conjured currency" :) that seems pretty obscure or "search the city"

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 09:12

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@ puschkin- So I went ahead and took a gander at that link and I must say it seems like a very well put together deck. My only issue was that it wasn't modern legal, other than that, great deck! I noticed that donating was your main strategy and if so, is that the main reason you decided on building it as vintage? Now that Harmless offering is out, (its the exact same thing as donate but in red, but I'm sure you know that) would you consider rebuilding around it for a more fresh take? I only ask because currently my local play group is wanting to go into the modern format, we've been stomping around edh for a while now. Which, the way you've built Faustus, I think it could translate nicely into an edh deck. Anyways, if your interested here is one of my takes on "Kitty Pact."
http://www.mtgvault.com/willisson7/decks/kitty-pact/

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 12:25

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No, the reason it is Vintage is simple: All my decks are because Vintage is the format my group plays. Why? Because we are playing since 1994 straight :) Also, when playing casual, why would you not go Vintage? It's the format that allows the most cards. If we played something like Modern instead, we couldn't make use of half of our collections.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 12:41

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This is true. While of I've known of magic since it started up, I was never able to really start building my own collection until college so while I recognize some vintage cards, the format is strange territory to me. I basically came into playing right after Shards of Alara, where as my older siblings played alpha and beta and all that good stuff. So most of the stuff I build is either legacy or edh. Edh has been the big thing lately so that's where most of my focus has been. But now my group is trying to go modern. Truthfully, I am just a casual player, I've never played in the competitive scene, but I own very few vintage cards so for a longtime all I knew was legacy as a format. As some of my previous decks built on here would show. But speaking more in regards to this post line, I think something that would help players connect more is perhaps, just a tiny profile, describing the type of player they are, and what type of decks they like to build. For me, as a casual player, fun is the biggest thing. So I try to create unique or flavorful decks, Hence the Gods of Theros, (http://www.mtgvault.com/willisson7/decks/the-gods-of-theros/) Or duel decks like Iroas and Mogis.
I don't know if id ever break out into the competitive scene, but if I did it be because sites like this and people like you gave me the know how. =)

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 13:08

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I agree. The hot page is bad.

I want to replace the current homepage tabs with tabs for each of the major formats and then take those tabs and have hot/new/unloved for each. I think this will help funnel people to the content they actually want to see and will take away focus from a single "hot" destination. The site is so much more than that one page.

I'm very happy to listen to anybody's thoughts on this.

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:44

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When NorthernWarlord, one of the biggest people on this site, hasn't commented on this, you know the site's dead.

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 20:58

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back in the day he made decks daily, last one he has made now is almost 2 weeks old, ths site is basically ded lol

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Posted 22 July 2016 at 21:10

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I'm sure life will go on.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 03:08

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He may have had one new deck every day, but be honest now: Most of them weren't any good. In case you didn't notice: Most of his decks use the same formula and aren't special in any way. Going budget becomes easier each day because Wizards is reprinting so much stuff, devalueing the majority of cards. In a lot of cases, Northy did nothing more than a quick card search for creature type X, scanned them for price, picked the better of the bunch that somehow could be called a mana curve, added the same cheap spot removal spells as always, then some land and called it a day. Anyone could do that, in fact anybody *should* be able to do that, yet every deck Northy made got tons of praise.
In the end, though, if you look closely, most of the comments were of the type "hey, good work there again, love your decks! Could you help me out with my deck? Please have a look" ... they know Northies decks are popular and get much attention, so they try to plug link to their decks on Northies decks in order to get some hits as well. And all those traffic keeps Northies decks on the Hot Page, reinforcing the benefits of this practice. It's like symbiontic click-vampirism.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 12:56

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How do I up vote this? ;)

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 16:17

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This site is not about one user. This site is a tool to let you store your deck lists for future use. The tool is not dead and it's not going anywhere anytime soon! ;)

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:46

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I use this site to build decks and get unoriginal ideas. Most of my decks on this site are either a splash of several others decks, or a twist of my own to someone elses deck. Then a few are just blantant rip offs with a card or two added(I don't own many of the decks on here though, I really just like building decks without the hurt on finance irl)

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Posted 23 July 2016 at 03:00

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This makes me sad; building a deck is at LEAST half the fun.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 02:54

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I use the site to build a deck, draw sample hand to see how the lands and curve works out, edit, then do it over and over.

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Posted 23 July 2016 at 14:23

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I think the Sample Hand tool is unrealistic/off a bit, but I could be the one who is unrealistic. Or maybe just fortunate. I use probability and ratio when I build decks and my numbers have hardly failed me, but that simulator is always giving me bad results. To each their own.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 02:56

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I use this site as a repository for a lot of my decks because I have to many (40+). I try to add descriptions when the combinations aren't really obvious. However, seeing some of the posts here I think ill just go back and describe them all for a better look from the outside.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 00:37

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Exactly what it was built for, thank-you! :)

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:47

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I definitely believe being selfless and working with others is the better path throughout life, but I want those out there who simply want to make decks and put them on here as a "stash" to not feel guilty of being "selfish" in doing so. I didn't use this site for the purpose of being social nor in need for advice or commentary. It's nice and is constructive for sure, but not everyone needs to go out of their way to keep the likes and comments going for the site. The site will thrive regardless of the lack of change on the main page or anywhere else for that matter. But if you ARE one who wants comments or social interaction, don't become stagnant and think only of your own decks; go out there and do unto others as you wish to have done to yourself. Empathy will save the world if given the chance throughout.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 03:05

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Well there really one way to revive the website and that is through word of mouth and on any social media site you have. That and don't just like decks, but actually take time and also look through the decks of the profile as well, or at least the ones your interested in. That's just gonna help in its own way and if you have an insight to make a deck better just share it and see what they say. The home page is pretty static and boring from time to time an I think it's because no one looks at the new deck page either. I had like 5 deckbuilds up within 2 days and not one comment. Of course they are also heavily Ravnica based but still I like em. Just drop buy the new page and take a peak at the decks and talk about em, or at least try. I had an annoying time cause one guy wouldn't respond but just drop some thoughts and move on. So word of mouth, start telling magic players you know about it through the spoken, written, or typed word. Participate on the new section. And last but not least, comment suggestions and thoughts on decks.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 06:36

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Dang i havent been on here in a while, wasnt expecting my thing to be a big thing. im gunna go through and read now

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 08:01

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I read all of your amazing comments after being away for a while. And i thought to myself... WOW! I made a community jump start back up again! But then realized that it wasn't me, but all of YOU! All of your kind and helpful and heartwarming words really showed me how the mtg community (who uses MTGVault, otherwise most other people not using the site wouldn't see any of this) really is. And it is helping one another grow into whatever deck or advice it may be, to help you grow as a magic player, and for you your self to bring back to the community. It is CARING that you've all been doing. I would assume that although most of us do not know each other in the real world, you do care for other people and their creations. Because if you didn't then you would not have commented. If you would not have commented, this would not be here today.


- with love and support for the magic community
LV1 judge Cody W / Dracostorm

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 09:28

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Yes, nicely said.

Also, about the not knowing each other part: I made several friends via Magic forums that I later met in real life, some chaps from the netherlands and finland. They are awesome and we had much fun. I always enjoyed the international aspect of sites like these, it's not just an exchange of ideas that are Magic related if you know what I mean. If more people would do this, we would have less wars in the world :)

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 11:51

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was posting just fixed?

Nope it was a flue, one of my comments went up without a refresh. #sadtimes

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 16:31

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Didn't know about this bug. I'll take a look!

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:51

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This should be fixed now, if it's the same bug we're talking about! I think it was just happening on certain browsers. Let me know if it's still a problem!

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 11:08

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I've been helluva busy during the past year, and I'm very, very sorry for it.
I'm trying to do whatever I can around here, but usually it is really a pain in the arse to find time for MTG Vault.
:'c

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 16:35

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It shouldn't be painful - take your time. RL is always more important. Haven't built a new deck in quite some time either.

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Posted 24 July 2016 at 19:30

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Same. Last one I did, everybody's ignored so far.

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Posted 25 July 2016 at 00:06

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i personnaly use this site as a live and accessible deck list. sometimes, i find it buggy a bit but i like the desing and they way this site works . a great add would be some postit taht you could add to a card for adding some notes like '' how the trigger works with x or which card should i look for in this situation''

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Posted 25 July 2016 at 01:31

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that wouldn't be to bad of an idea, i wonder if the creators of this website have seen this by now? Maybe they'll implement all the new ideas?

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Posted 25 July 2016 at 01:49

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Hell Sorin, all of my decks have been ignored so don't feel bad at all apt that,and many more users are ignored for the mere fact that they don't use gimmicks or for sure win by turn 2 because they have infinite mana with infinite damage and a 300 dollar deck. Too many decks are ignored for those reasons.

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Posted 25 July 2016 at 04:28

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Hmm you have 75 posts and all your decks have been ignored!? You need help with a specific deck?

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Posted 27 July 2016 at 18:27

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you guys should check out the next "post/ thing" regarding this topic that I have made at http://www.mtgvault.com/dracostorm/decks/rebuilding-the-vault-community/

Just read the deck description and how to play sections. Thank you :)

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Posted 25 July 2016 at 05:15

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It's not dead, but it is without question dying, and it has been for quite some time. There has always been and probably always will be a big problem with people leeching for deck views and deck comments without ever once giving any sort of feedback in return. However, in the past there was an equal amount of positive, active discussion about decks, cards, mechanics, strategies, etc. It might have come from a small handful of members, but it was so constant and active that it not only balanced the leeches...it outmatched them. I include myself in this core group of members, and I can tell you. We're pretty much all gone, or very inactive. This site used to be FILLED with legacy and vintage players. People who had been playing for years upon years and knew the game in a truly intimate way. Others who forced themselves to learn legacy and vintage because they were the "untamed last frontiers" of magic.

Then, for whatever reason...Legacy and Vintage became a taboo term. Was it NorthernWarlord, or the introduction of Modern, or maybe just a strange coincidence that people wanted budget? Whatever the reason, almost over night Budget was the only thing people wanted to talk about and the "Big bad expensive Legacy/Vintage" decks were a big no-no. So the obvious happened. The Legacy and Vintage players left the site, or became very inactive. And just like that, the discussions and productive back and forth exchange of ideas went with them.

Look at some of my older decks, look at the comments in them, at the exchange of ideas. You can learn more about magic from reading a handful of those old posts than you would in a month on this site as it is now. I love this site, and have been a huge supporter of it for YEARS, so believe me when I say how sad it makes me to say all of this. The vault isn't dead, but it hasn't been alive for a long long time. Nowadays I use it for nothing more than a means to organize my thoughts and decks.

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Posted 25 July 2016 at 07:48

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The reason why i say it was/is dead is because the people in the site do make decks, but no one cares about each others decks and don't give feedback. Also the site it self is outdated, there are several bugs and the popular decks almost never move now.

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Posted 25 July 2016 at 14:39

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Not to gorget the dead forums. I think they were already defunct when I signed up here, which is several years ago.

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Posted 25 July 2016 at 14:53

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I only use this site to build my decks. Sure, there's others but theres only one vault.

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Posted 25 July 2016 at 07:59

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Thanks! :)

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:54

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After playtesting this deck i find that it is very weak. While i appreciate the ingenuity it took to make this i dont belive it stands up to legacy play

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Posted 26 July 2016 at 22:28

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well I would hope you would not play a 1 card deck for it is illegal and very bad. ;)

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Posted 27 July 2016 at 02:30

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Agreed. Don't do that.

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Posted 27 July 2016 at 02:33

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deadest thing since eldrazi scions

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Posted 27 July 2016 at 04:37

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I started a little something:
http://www.mtgvault.com/puschkin/decks/mtgvault-the-gathering/

If you want to revive the site, take action and join!

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Posted 27 July 2016 at 10:13

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 05:04

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I read some comments but I stopped before I forgot this thought. I apologize if something similar has been said before:

1. Have decks like uplifting/downlifting comments--- You can't make a deck public until you Do X comments/likes. Could get spamed though...
2. Have a few different hot pages for the common styles of playing. More decks would get attention that way. Also it would encourage tagging decks.

Of course this is for the site moderators to decide but just putting the deck out there.

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 05:06

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I'd like to replace the main homepage tabs with a tab for each of the major formats, these format pages could then have hot/new/unloved decks underneath them, this should hopefully take focus away froma single page of the site...

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:56

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Gary:
Hotpage is one of the big issues of this site. The other one is deck tags:
We only have 4. I know you want to limit them, however, tags is theonly way to indicate things like format. What we need is a seperate way to mark:
A) Format (Modern, Legacy ect)
B) Casual/Competitive
C) 1-on-1/Multiplayer
So we can use deck tags for real tags like "trample", "control" and so on.

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 10:49

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I think we originally limited it to 4 as we didn't want user's tagging it with every keyword ever to make it appear all over the site.

We were attempting to auto-tag format (in the background), but maybe you're right, we should just ask the user what the deck is... The reason we took this option away in the past is because we ended up with a whole bunch of decks tagged "Standard" that are no longer standard once sets rotate out.

I like the casual/competitive idea and 1v1/multiplayer idea. I think I was just hoping that tags would cover all of this, but I don't think it worked out that way. :(

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 11:04

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They do cover this in theory, however, with just 4 tags I have used up the limit before I can actually describe my deck. And if you up the limit to 8 so we can add format etc., then users might (and probably will) start to abuse them, adding as many tags as possible even if they don't fit in order to get hits.

Then again, the truth is, almost nobody uses the deck tag SEARCH in order to find decks - what tags are acually used for is a quick reference once you opened a deck. You glance at it and then decide if it is your cup of tea.

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 11:20

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Ok, thanks for the feedback. Seems like a quick fix might be to up the limit and see what happens...

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Posted 29 July 2016 at 11:25

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How about you make an auto notification requiring users to reassess what format the deck is every 3-6 months? Only ones tagged as standard and modern if possible. Not sure if thats even possible though. also I only use the deck tag search to find certain decks.

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Posted 01 August 2016 at 02:30

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I am still quite active on here, regularly creating, editing, liking, and deleting my decks. this is by long and far the best deck building tool on the internet. fantastic interface, best up to date card database, and fabulous features and accessibility.

While i feel that many people, such as myself, struggle to get their decks noticed even via the unloved functions, it is far from a totally dead website.

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Posted 01 August 2016 at 18:32

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it miss al the ftv tho wich is sad

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Posted 13 August 2016 at 20:55

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Spot on. My sentiments exactly.

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Posted 03 October 2016 at 21:30

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*insert grumpy comment here on all the flaws of where the community falls short, ppl are clicky, selfish & dumb, you've heard it all before, no need to write a redundant paragraph

on a side note:
nice deck check out my stuff XP

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Posted 09 August 2016 at 18:37

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I use this website simple because I like the layout better than other deckbuilding sites. Perhaps it's not the most active forum to push decks and brews but serve it's purpose for me just fine.

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Posted 03 October 2016 at 21:15

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You should go back to the Naboo swaps there Boss Nass

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Posted 04 October 2016 at 04:02

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Sick burn, but I think it is more like that waste of a comedic relief called Jar Jar Binks. Seriously, George Lucas, ANYTHING would have been better than that

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Posted 04 October 2016 at 09:35

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Poor Anakin...

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Posted 05 October 2016 at 01:07

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I haven't been on the site for a while, but I try and comment on decks I see and give any decks that I find interesting or that play well a +1 however it seems many members don't do this, I get next to no advice, comments or likes on my decks and I'm pretty sure I'm not that bad at deck building aha. anyway, I hope something changes because I have had some good ideas and decks from this site.

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Posted 28 October 2016 at 15:49

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I've done my part making comments for others, and doing it nicely. I'm mostly on another site now though, for one reason; updates here can lag weeks if not months behind a set's release. Everything else is irrelevant to me if I can't even update my decks within a reasonable time frame.

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Posted 19 November 2016 at 17:07

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They do seem to release the sets really late

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Posted 19 November 2016 at 17:33

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lets get it going again
http://www.mtgvault.com/vaan104/decks/legacy-staples/
i hope this sparks some interest

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Posted 06 December 2016 at 10:39

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counterbalance!!!

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Posted 06 December 2016 at 17:48

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