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I think I played up against this on cockatrice recently, it's a scary deck to come up against, I was very lucky to get to combo on T3 instead of the usual T5! Brilliant deck!
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Thanks man!
I thought Cockatrice was sued/ ordered a cease and desist?! I'm not really finding much on google either about it.
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Just gonna say, I first found this awesome deck, gave it the first like, and now it is on the hot page, I feel almost as proud as the builder! A man, my son ;)
Love me some JundVine. This list is extremely tight too. There's not really anything to suggest. Looks great! I have a 4c brew i play that's a bit more all in, but can be crazy explosive.http://www.mtgvault.com/alleywayjack/decks/modern-dredgevine/
That deck does look sweet. I really am contemplating building it. Takes only a couple of cards to buy for me to make
May I ask why are there marshflats in there?
Cus he doesn't own bloodstained mire?
I was just asking in case it was an error, it was not intended to be taken as an attack :P I usually make my deck list and acquire the cards i need to complete the deck so the fact that maybe he doesn't own bloodstained mire didn't come in my mind, that's all
Ye just my guess!
Awesome list, have you thought of faithless looting to help with the discard? I see bloodsoaked chasmp as a possibility... Or maybe grim lavamancer, I just don't love vexing devil. I was sad after the deathrite banning that this deck faded into oblivion
Nice. Very nice. What about putting in some Urborgs? That way, you can tap fetchlands as swamps and if you smallpox, you can get rid of those fetchlands instead of the others. Once I saw smallpox, I immediately thought of Flagstones of Trokair, but you're not running white. =\I love the looks on my opponents' faces when I smallpox, discard and/or sacrifice bloodghast, sacrifice Flagstones, bring out a Godless Shrine, which is a land trigger, returning my recently discarded/sacrificed bloodghast hee hee! It's almost like I lost NOTHING from smallpox. ;-)
I did forget to put bloodstained instead of marsh flats. And I do like the idea of faithless looting. I just loving vexing devil and then them taking 4, me casting a crawler, attack with a 4/3 troll and a vine with someone with a face like O_O
Also I am going to add 1 tomb to the list when I paper build it.
I played one earlier this year thats 4 color. Took it apart to try other things but it looks like the meta may allow it. Check out my DredgeVine deck that I created. The cards that are in it are exactly what I played and it devastated a local modern tournament. I splash blue to play hedron crab and skaab ruinator
Awesome work, sir! Why not add Bloodflow Connoisseur to the mix? You could sac your creatures to beef it up, and then bring them back from the grave and do it again.
been working on something similar. bloodsoaked champion, resembling skeleton, or nether traitor may work better than grave crawler since he's the only zombie
Lotleth Troll is a zombie, as well. Those two combo really well together, but you do have a point.
Gravecrawlers also trigger off of each other. 8 sources of zombies. Mine does this as well but I have blue splash for skaab ruinator who is also a zombie but only as a 2 of
totally overlooked the troll
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He constructed a deck; he wasn't copying ideas that other people came out with. I think this deck seems pretty interesting, but I agree that it could use some work.
Dude. You can't just go on other people's lists and tell them they did it wrong. Then you demand that they change it while shamelessly advertising your own version? Not cool.
Except that wasn't constructive at all. You literally came in, told him he fucked up, gave a list to a top 8, then told him to adjust to that standard. Did you ever consider that he built this because he wanted to have fun? Because, oh I don't know, it's a game?
He probably built it back, frankly it could do just as well as the other deck. If someone builds a dodgy deck, I'm quick to point it out, but this deck is a genuine power house, so I see it top 8ing with ease. Your criticism was NOT constructive it was just, 'I'm better than you, be like me.' And unless you are a pro, I don't see why you should do that.
His deck also seems far better than yours, more powerful and more reliable.
This is dredgevine... There's no way around it... If you want to make it better look at the links vanguard put up... He knows what he's talking about
Go look at the first comment: someone else played it on cockatrice, he knows this isn't a knew concept, it is just jund good stuff, this is more jund aggro than dredgevine, just happens to have a degree of synergy
Hahaha! You are an epic douche vanguard487! Where do you get the idea foldupcup is claiming this as his own original archetype? You're a joke man!Because he's calling this ZombieVine, rather than DredgeVine, you feel the need to act like a tool? Really he has no Dredgers anyway, so it's pretty stupid to call it DredgeVine. If you wanna get technical, this is actually a variant of JundVine..
You can have all the authority in the world on something and still come across as a massive dick. He never said he came up with this decklist himself, he just created a variant of it. He never even said it wasn't Dredgevine. Why do you think he wasn't acknowledging it as Dredgevine? Because he used a fun name to title the deck? Cause if that's the case you need to get over yourself.
Also I prefer this style to the other dredgevine decks, it uses a far more powerful shell that doesn't need to use a dodgy combo to succeed
I'm done arguing with you guys over something pointless
He was helping him out by showing him other examples of how this deck works. No need to call him a dick... I'm sorry you guys feel that his criticism was too harsh but in all actuality, he was just helping the dude out. Can you all just calmy take your hate someplace else?
He was being pretentious and condescending. The only thing he was "helping" was his ego. I highly doubt foldupcup made this deck without being aware of other DredgeVine decks.... -_-'
On a different note though gothy, normal dredgevine is a combo, without being a combo, you don't need it to win, in this case it's just synergy. With all the graveyard hate right now it is a good idea to be running with a shell that is a bit slower, but more reliable, I don't know about something like this, as this is more like Jund, but in the true spirit of dredgevine, perhaps a higher curve, nothing comes to mind at the moment, but you might be able to build this with a blue shell (I know there is the one with the crab) and maybe run some creature removal, so vengevine an still iWork, maybe like shriek maw, because you are still casting a creature
Vangaurd... this is like jund.. because this is JundVine... wow you are dense...
Maybe even thundermaw as or stormbreath dragon as finishers
Jack, I'm not even talking about this deck anymore, I'm talking about dredgevine in general....
You're talking about playing Stormbreath Dragon in DredgVvine... that's insanity..
It was the first thing I could think of, and if you slowed the deckDown enough, you might be able get away with it as a 1 of especially of you are running 3-4 birds of paradise
Slow down and lose more. Infect, Jeskai Combo, Storm and burn kill you far too quick to slow down, Walk the Aeons, Tron and just about every other non-control deck win on turn 5. This deck is already pushing a T4 kill, slowing it down makes your match ups weaker. This is essentially an aggro deck, slowing it down defeats the point
Really? Because did you know big zoo is a thing? I play that as well, and it works just fine. In fact It works great, it's a slower shell but once it gets going is harder to stop. All of these combo decks are felt with by removal, and hyper-aggressive aggro decks are felt with removal and things like volcanic fallout in the sideboard. I used to think it, but modern isn't about speed anymore. The format is slowing down.
No, trust me, modern is not slowing down, go take a look at the best decks: U/R delver, Birthing Pod, Scapeshift, Jeskai Ascendancy and affinity. I don't see anything slow there, Big Zoo isn't even on the list, the top zoo deck is tribal zoo and that is FAST. Even the decks with huge Eldrazi (Tron) get themselves ready to win t3
Digressing a bit, how does Tron win turn 3? I mean aside from turn 3 Karn they really don't lay on the pressure very fast, it's more of a control deck... Anyway, ya, tribal zoo is stupidly fast and it is better, but I'm just saying you CAN get away with big dudes, it may not be as good, but you can sometimes get away with it
Sometimes get away with it, is NOT good enough for modern, and Tron gets itself ready to win, as I said before.
Ya, that is true, you would need to build a different deck entirly to make use of the big dudes.... And I'm not sure if it would even be good then (primal crux green??)
Ye, you become far more reliant on early game disruption, it would probably shift to a modern Sidisi Whip style deck, something I would LOVE to see!!
Gothy is right. Modern is now a very fast format, due to Treasure Cruise enabling Delver and Burn. In fact, all the decks that aim to last past turn 5 now gain life somehow. This, I believe, is the real reason Siege Rhino has popped up so much. It's not as good as Tarmogoyf (obviously) but it's one of the best midgame stabilizers that we've ever seen, and it is very potent on offense as well. This is also why Scapeshift leans so much on 4 Obstinate Baloths. I would say faster is better in this format, unless you plan to gain some life. In that line of thought, I would say this deck is very badly positioned right now. Slightly less powerful offensively than Delver, a lot of creatures that cannot block, and discard matching poorly against Treasure Cruise. But I don't think that we should worry since Treasure Cruise will almost definitely be banned in Modern, which will probably send the format into a more grindy midrange direction.
Ya, you are absolutly right kmk, and as for Gothy's post about the Sidisi Whip deck in modern, I might try to build that and I let you know how that turns out. As for this deck, dredgevine, jundvine, somethingvine, it is a hyper agressive deck, and it does have potential. I am hoping once treasure cruise is banned we see these decks popping up in top 8's again, as I for one really love this deck, and plan to play it soon at my locals. Not this particular list, more of the regular jundvine list, but I am very curious as to what will happen
wow i just caught the tail end of this convo *CRAZY!* but anyways its a cool list. i have a set of promo vengevines i wanna put to use, but havent touched them since the deathrite shaman banning.
I like Vengevine in stompy, and since I need a new deck, I might well be trying it!
Do you think this deck could make use of Necromancer's Stockpile? I think I'll try to make a version of this deck that uses that forgotten enchantment.
It seems that this was a terrible idea. There is tension between trying to use the ability of Stockpile and trying to cast creatures for vengevine. What's more, casting Stockpile is basically taking a turn off of what needs to be an aggro deck in this format. I may use Stockpile if the format shifts to be more attrition- based, but I probably won't use it in a traditional Vengevine deck.
Stockpile was cool in theory, but too slow in test(for everyone who tryedit in modern)
Mortivore?
Too expensive and not strong enough for modern.
This is where I went with mine. I prefer lightning axe to bolt as I can discard vine or another utility guy. Looting is a monster and dredging speeds things up more. I did the same thing wanted to build around vengevine only to realize it's a very tried and true deck already. Hard to come up with truly original competitive decks but it is what it is.
Axe can only go to creatures though, going to the face can fix all your problems!
The point of this deck it to win by attacking with your creatures so axe clears the path better for you. Now I do run dredge so I do have more targets for discard so with this being a little more Agro I can see what you're sayin.
Sure, but bolt does that, and it also finishes games sometimes
That's what I said, I can see bolt being better in this build.
Another derp moment, my God, I've had too much Moet!
Would one blue sorce and 2 treasure cruise be good in this build? You still have a lot in your yard you won't reuse?
If you used fetches it could work with shocks
That was my point he uses both and it might give him more gas.
Something to look into, but wouldn't something like faithless looting be better?
Not if you hit things you don't want in your yard really.
you select which cards to discard though?
Yeah but if you want to keep them all or have no hand due to liliana/small pox that doesn't help you net any cards. He only has 12 cards he'd be ok with in his graveyard all being creatures. The rest I think he'd rather see in hand that being the reason this doesn't play dredge I'd guess.
Ye, in situations when you want pure draw, cruise is best, however in the deck looting seems stronger in the majority of situations, a split would probably a good idea, thy have their own synergy
cool deck foldupcup. go check out my new deck "sELFvish desire"
You should do varloz and death's shadow combo. so good when a vine a is going to attack and in before damage happens scavenge death shadow and place the counters on vine
I actually made a list like that, it should be in my decks lol
I like the Death's Shadow idea. But remember that you can only scavenge at sorcery speed.
I'd replace the Duress and Inquisition in the side board for 2 Golgari Charms. Otherwise you have no answers for a Leyline of the Void.
I wouldn't be worried about Leyline of the void, I would be worried about rest in piece, or toramod's crypt. Unless you are playing a living end deck, you really don't need to worry about seeing Leyline, but there are other enchantments and artifacts that you need to worry about, yes.
Decay can deal with most problematic enchantments and artefacts, and the hand disruption is just good in general right now, to deal with combo decks like Jeskai Ascendancy (Another enchantment killed by Abrupt decay)
sorry to whore myself out, but i want some ideas on a modern deck, and i commented on here and others quite a bit, soooo..... http://www.mtgvault.com/zaklax13/decks/pyro-loamassault/ come let me know. all forms of critique welcome
I just wanted to say thanks for all of the attention the deck is getting. You guys rock and I appreciate all of the comments! =]
Check out my deck splinta twin yo face with myrs
Please go and learn how to English.
It's just quicker to write like that because there's not enough space to write "Splinter twin you'r face with Myrs"So excuse me teacher if me no talk rite!!! And what the heck does "how to English even mean", go fetch some proper grammar in the wishing well Timmy, Oh no you can't, what a shame you can't talk.
Wow.. it takes like 2 seconds to write 'Splinter twin your face with my Myr' . You just make yourself sound like a twat.
First of all there's not enough space like I said in my other comment(Oh no don't tell me Timmy can't read either)!!!So why don't you just check out the deck like I ask people to and see how you like the "Twat" now .
Honestly? I think it is a worse configuration than Deceiver Twin, lack of blue means you have no disruption, you aren't running lightning bolt and the manic vandal mainboard or anywhereboard seems a little strange
yea this guy just spammed the entire hot page with this...... and its a bad deck. ive seen spamming that ive told them its spam yet still wanted to talk about their deck, but this isnt it. at least make it a good spam. i feel like i am being trolled
This sort of thing just makes me sad, unless you spam the hot page or you are a well known deck maker you can't make the hot page unless you make a dodgy combo deck. I want more decks like this jund list on the hot page, decks that are actually good and competitive
Well in truth most of the "hot page" is budget junk 99% of the time.
Thank you !!! Open to criticism like I said. And yes I did spam a lot and I'm not to advanced with magic but thank you again. Not being sarcastic.
The desire for budget is so bad, I lied that my Junk list is budget... but it costs a tonne xD I wish people would put some powerful yet innovative decks up, they don't even have to be that original, just a twist on a well played deck!
I think one of my better decks is mono-red artifact burn updated, check it out
You seem to take established Modern decks and try and add a different layer, and that is an awesome quality, however, currently you're weakening the decks, keep trying, eventually you will stumble on something that will improve an established deck/ start a new archetype
yea i want competitive decks, but if you tag it so its absolutley ignored. this is the most competitive list ive seen on the hot page, jund dredgevine
That is simply poor, I try and make all my decks competitive, max number of likes on recent ones was 3
i feel you i made an assault loam list that i thought had alot of potential and is realitively original, you dont see it very much. 3 likes. nothing else. power to you fadidou and gothy, keep working the competitive side
My favourite was Walk the Aeons, yes it is an acquired taste as your opponent doesn't get to play past turn 5, but it is so much fun taking lots of turns and is so reliable!
No one that wants advice or ideas gets it on here. It's always the same junk that hits the top lists. I personally don't play modern but have tried getting back into 60 card and was looking for advice several times and nothing. Recently made an exile deck that I was wondering if it had a chance at being playable as something differnt.
Standard and modern are probably easiest to get advice on from those that want competitive decks on here, legacy is also a thing, just its hard! Not even worth looking at Vintage, saw an amazing burning wish vintage deck, only 1 like, which was from me!
Hello people
SO not to be a comment whore but post randomly on any deck i have and tell me which one you want comments for and ill do it. it may be brutally honest, but itll help you make the deck better. ill do it anytime, just has to be competitive standard/modern/legacy
I'm with you on that one! Hopefully we can find enough like minded players to put good decks back on the vault
Ok, I'll write some comments for the both of you, I need help with "me likey token"
Promise you will change the name first, it sounds like that token got molested
Sure but I have trouble changing the name could you help
Sorry won't let me change the name
Usually can't on a phone for some reason.
Oh well that makes sense I was on my phone I'll change it right now
changed to 'so many tokens' go check it out
Gothy, if you want some weird Modern decks, I have had a few hit the hot page that are exactly what you are talking about above :). For example, a modular tribal deck, a deck based around godsore, a helix pinnacle deck, and even a attempt on dragon tribal... If you are intrested check out the link, while I'm writing, have u heard anything about Scion EDH decks? Oh, and I've been working on a UBW Pride Prision Flyers deck I would love you to critique, it's been doing well in a competitive environment on line, and combo decks can't beat it at all. Thanks!Link to the Flyers deck if you want it: http://www.mtgvault.com/vanguard487/decks/pride-prison-fliers-3/
http://www.mtgvault.com/zaklax13/decks/vial-bears/ new idea im brewing. im running the assualt loam deck i just built tonight, but i think i may try this next week
Gentleman, what I mean are powerful twists on already established decks, there was actually one of Vanguards that I liked very much, can't remember which one right now! I mean decks like this: http://www.mtgvault.com/gothy/decks/mike-on-a-trike-tronstyle/ I hope you guys like it, if not I'll try another brew!
Competitive players! Rally to me! I need help on that new crappy eldrazi deck in explaining we need more competitive decks on here!
Well, I just ended up placing first at a local modern tourney playing Living end. Best 2 guys out of going 4-0 and I myself went 3-0-1. I feel that living end should be a deck that is looked highly upon, it did top 8 a pro tour after all, I think the deck deserves some credit for that. I would LOVE to see one go up on the hot page here... Like please, anyone... Everyone, start giving it some attention.
If you have a list on, I will like it
i have a living moon build thats blood moon/living end
I like Blue Moon
http://www.mtgvault.com/zaklax13/decks/living-moon/ very different
http://www.mtgvault.com/vanguard487/decks/the-walking-deadHere is the list. As long as you are playing a player of vally raenets and enough fetch lands, blood moon could easily go in the deck. I was thinking about boarding 2 of em just because they are so good
My apologize if this has been brought up, I've tried reading through all the comments but as you know there are a crap ton.Anyway: 1) Have you considered Bojuka Bog or any form of disruption coming from a land?2) Manlands? Raging Ravine or Mutavault (synergy w/ 'Crawler)?With some assistance, I began with a Rock shell but centered the build around Bloodghast, Gravecrawler, and Lotleth Troll as well. I would like to have a play set of 'goyfs one day but until the funds are accrued, I'm going to keep dreaming.It's cool to see other players noticing how great these 3 creatures are, especially when used in the same deck.
mutavault seems amazing good catch as thats like a duh moment lol
Check it out if you have the time.http://www.mtgvault.com/anooshapalooza/decks/ay-yo-rocky-2/
Built a similar deckhttp://www.mtgvault.com/andarious/decks/it-came-from-the-grave/
Splash blue for treasure cruise because profit.
Very cool GG based deck. Have a gander at mine. Ain't getting much love, but it's an awesome deck! Feedback. FL with this one. I would suggest stinkweed imp if anything.
have you considered changing grisly salvage for a satyr wayfinder as it can trigger vengevine as well? alos it can chump-block and deal dmg, i would consider it although i just love grisly salvage a a card, wayfinder seems more viable. Also 1 valroz might be a good idea for all the vexing devils that may land in the graveyard one way or another. I really like the dek and i am half way through building it myself so i proxed the rest, and these are the ideas i came up with, laso i really like the mutavault addition that was made a few posts before.nice deck, really like it.
So after play testing I've found that I like lavamancer in the mainboard because it can do ALOT of damage and can do more than VD, also Ive looked at ingot chewer as a replacement for ancient grudge because it triggers VV. I like GS over way finder because it is instant aand you can bluff a AD and its really good for a murderous cut that I've put on the main board. Mutavault is a great idea, but once you play it you realise how much it strains your Mana base. I love all the feedback on the deck!
that was a very quick response and nice answers to all the questions, i like the Abrupt decay bluff idea. what did you think about ingot chewer, it looks like a nice addition especially for the vengevine, but you could also play tin street holigan for example. I like the lavamancer main, not only because it is cheaper to buy but if it stays it makes this deck more controlled, rather than the pure aggro variety it was before.fun deck, can't wait to play it without proxies ;)
http://www.mtgvault.com/ktrojan/decks/call-from-the-grave-ii/Testing with soulflayer/Chromanticore
I like the setup of your deck. It seems as though you have most of your bases covered. I suggest Lightning Axe as a way to get your venges in the graveyard, as well as spot removal. It is an underrated card. In my experience, Grim Lavamancer has been slow, however I play a heavier dredge style, so my graveyard has more in it that I want to keep.Well done.
Hey guys, does golgari grave troll belong in this deck? Come voice your opinions about the new changes to modern here:http://www.mtgvault.com/vanguard487/decks/the-banning-of-pod-discussion/
No it doesnt, and the banning of pod is to change an almost stale meta game. discussion over
Golgari goes into a much more specific dredge deck
http://www.mtgvault.com/zaklax13/decks/modern-budget-blue-tron/Ive been working on some new modern budget decks! Trying to get new players involved in the best format
I would try to fit 2x sowing salts and up corrosion to 2x in the sideboard.Tron will only get bigger now with the bans.
Yes goood I love Tron :D
Have you thought about taking out 2 faithless looting and maybe putting in a zombie infestation?