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More budget friendly legacy food chain. Thoughts?
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I don't normally comment on Legacy / Vintage decks as I don't play that format, but let me see if I understand some of the interactions here. Food Chain is key here, but only Brainstorm and Ponder can dig for it. Is that enough dig for a key card? Food Chain + Misthollow Griffin = infinite mana. Manipulate Fate is for exiling the Griffin, effectively searching for it as you don't mind it being in exile? Besides an exile option for Food Chain to get Misthollow Griffin back from exile, Fierce Empath only other interaction is to fetch Vela the Night-Clad.With the infinite mana loop, Genesis Hydra can fetch any other nonland permanent you want, and enter frigging huge. Vela the Night-Clad gives intimidate to Genesis Hydra or adds life loss to the infinite mana loop. The only concern I have is fetching / digging for Food Chain. Also, wouldn't Misthollow Griffin work nicely with Force of Will?
Yes, you would be correct. While Griffin would work beautifully with force, this is more of a budget build (something to start with while accumulating the more expensive cards.) If you Google food chain decks you'll notice that the only dig is brainstorm. You'd also notice the difference in the Mana base.
I was going through my cards because Standard has rotated and I found another creature that can be looped with Food Chain: Torrent Elemental. While it costs one more mana than Misthollow Griffin, because of its return from exile ability, it isn't cast like Misthollow Griffin, so it can't be countered; and you get to choose from black or green for the combo.
What do you think of Eternal Scourge for this deck?
that would actually be a decent alternative, but the problem is the main way to go is force of will with griffin as exile fodder is very effective. you could effectively remove blue from the equation with scourge, but would the deck still hold its own then? you could go with a more rampy opener and then use the mana from chain + scourge to power up something as a finisher, but what?
Manipulate fate and draw power would go away with the removal of blue...
One small improvement I intend to make us the inclusion of springleaf drum. That allows you to tap the Griffin and get a colored mana for basically free on top of food chain giving colorless.
Just reread Food Chain, it gives colour mana, not colourless.
That's how you can continually re cast Griffin. Tossing in the drum seems like a wasted slot in this deck...
I'm not saying add it for Griffin. I'm saying for other things that aren't blue. Just tap Griffin for what colors you do need that aren't blue and once you have them just rack up the colorless mana you need and you're golden (pun intended). I wouldn't add more than two though, just to keep the balance from shifting
If you're going to do that though, why not just put a Kruphix in? It gives you a basically infinite colorless mana pool, and you don't really need colors.
Because while useful, he doesn't benefit the combo. When we combo off, it's to win on that turn. Why add an extra step that only gives the opponent more time to stop it?
Why don't you add something that screws your opponents over even more like Dictate of Erebos, or Grave Pact? That would create an almost continuous boardwipe for your opponent, while not needing anything more than what you already have in here.
See above reply to your other post