Standard: $20 Izzet 4 Turn Win

Read its effect before you comment...
"and can attack this turn as though it didn't have defender"

I knew something was wrong about that so I read it again and deleted my own comment

No problem, we all make mistakes

With the cards mentioned, it should be a 12/6. Nice deck.

Like I said we all make mistakes :P

^agreed.

artful dodge is better take a look at my izzet blitz deck!!!! http://www.mtgvault.com/decakebaker/decks/guttersniped-izzet-blitz/

nice deck, id throw in a fling in there tho, in case im feeling smug :D

i think this deck needs some work, im running esper as my standard deck and this deck would have a difficult time winning because of all the removal and counters and if it did happen to win next game id sideboard in cards like nevermore to completly remove your creature or things like supreme verdict....

ken123456 -- I dont believe this deck's purpose is to play at tournments, we made it because its nice to play with, there are many ways to stop it, but its always nice to be able to combo with it ;P
Its always nice to win $300 decks with a $17 one

well played sir lol i do like the though of this deck but id never run it competatively

That's nice your $100+ competitive deck can beat my $20 peasant deck
Do you feel proud of yourself? :)

a deck similar to this took 2nd at a recent SCG open trial in my area. if its built right, it can be amazing. look up the "Nivix Blitz" that is, of course, if you should decide to make it competetive

Yeah Izzet Blitz is a superior deck because it has so much draw and Nivix Cyclops and Flashback is OP

But Innistrad is rotating out so...

in like 2 months...play whats available now, and plan for rotation. dont play post rotation before you have to.

Is it wrong the plan for the future?
This is what Nivix Blitz will probably look like after Innistrad rotates anyway

how do I get a negative for saying exactly what you said? I said PLAN for rotation, but PLAY whats available. If there is a better card than what you are running available in standard, then you are doing a disservice to the deck by not using it.

This decklist IS a PLAN of what I'm GOING to play not what I'm playing right now :P

i wonder since you have out goblin if you can cast mizzium skin for its overload for (U)

Yes. The overload cost is the spell, +extra, to change the from target to each. This means that Goblin Electromancer will let you cast Mizzium Skin for {U} instead of 1{U}

The link is this one..
http://www.mtgvault.com/aliski/decks/izzet-combo-17/

"Turn 4: Land, Play Mizzium Skin, Armed and Teleportal on Nivix Cyclops, Attack once and"
In response: Azorius Charm, Cyclops to the top of your library.
Turn 5: Counter him has you try to replay him. Counter my counter? k.
Turn 6: "Play Mizzium Skin, Armed and Teleportal on Nivix Cyclops, Attack once and"
In response: Tribute to Hunger

When the whole deck relies on 1 combo, control walks all over you.


Even aggro. Boros Reckoner blocks, with first strike. Deal the damage back to the Cyclops. Better yet, Boros Charm, Reckoner is indestructable, deal all the damage to you, you kill YOURSELF on turn 4.

Also, can't play Jace til turn 5, good control decks have stablized by then and would just counter him. No threat. Same with Ætherling. "Counterflux" Only if you play Jace on turn 8 or Ætherling on turn 9. By then, control doesn't care about your Jace OR your Ætherling.

Or he could play it smart. Say, armed and teleportal. You play azorius charm, in response he plays mizzium skin. That gives hexproof, charm fizzles, you take 24. Also boros reckoner is good, but he isn't good enough to block an unblockable creature :p

Tribute to hunger, Ætherize, Away (of far and away), FOG! So many things halt that and then you have to wait for 3 cards before you're ready to strike again and by that time somebody already killed you. All an opponent has to do is hold out for turn 4 and then dissrupt the attack. After that, this deck crumbles.

I'm not gonna deny that its easy to stop, but its not as easy to stop as you previously implied. Its not terribly competitive by any means, and like every deck it has bad matchups. But its still worth some praise. It would just be better if you'd actually suggest improvements or ways to make it better instead of only listing reasons why it loses.

Aetherize is a terrible card just saying

That's the reason I say to hold at least 1 counterspell before you attack

Jesus every deck has it's weakness I could say I can beat the top 8 Gruul Aggro deck with a bunch of fogs and azorius charm too buddy

Do you think Im trying to go pro with this $20 dollar deck?
This is obviously mainly for fun in an FNM environment if anything

Tribute to hunger rotates soon

What makes you think that I won't have my own counterspells?

Of course, I already had said on the above comment.
This decks aren't for tournments, they are for fun, to win against $300 decks with a $20 one

Standard...

The rings are now gone :)

Putting in more pump cards is redundant haha
You only need the ones listed to 1 shot

I really dont like the rings either, 5 to cast, 5 to use but this deck needs a tutor card to find the last piece to your combo to win

yeah, those dispel are perfect!

Uncommon, not rare

The promo one is the only one that can be mistaken for a rare. Any way.....
SoulofMirrodin, IF Izzet char is a rare then that means that ALL the charms are rare, and they're uncommon.

He probably wants to keep this deck standard after innistrad rotates out. But if thats not the case then you are right, it is just slightly better for this deck. Also i would like to point out that a sideboard has to be an exact 15 cards, no more no less. So you'll need to add something you don't really need just to make it legal.

they errata'd that with the release of m14. a sideboard can have any number of cards UP TO 15 now.

scrolled down. someone beat me to it. oops.

Oh. Never mind, didn't know that.

Dont want Innistrad
Dont want artful dodge

I was right!!! Look at me now dad!

Im proud of you son

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Why would you do that?
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I was out of faces to make :(
But I remembered the above one.

Oh well. Maybe some other day we will continue this battle of emoticons.

Or I could make a deck called Battle of the Emoticons.
We could continue it on there!

And so I have made it. Feel free to continue, or restart, the battle on there.

: )

It's just one card too small, actually.

actually with the new rules as of M14, the sideboard can be UP TO 15 cards. it no longer has to be exactly 15, however it still cannot be more than that.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/248e

Oh. Never mind, didn't know that.

Do you know what standard is?

generally the smugness of this entire thread is obnoxious, however the post above this one made me laugh out loud

Thanks. I hate when people act that way.

He has a point on the counter spells though.

im saying this deck has the POTENTIAL to kill on turn 4 not it WILL kill on turn 4

I agree. I've got a similar problem with an infect deck. I CAN win on turn 2, but I don't advertise it as a "turn 2 win deck", I lable it turns 2-5

I reckon I'm just going to put in dispels just so I can counter that 1 card that they use to try and shut down Nivix before he attacks

Dispel is definitely a good way to keep kill spells out of the way for that one turn you need to bring them down. And its probably not the only answer they have but it is the one you're most likely to encounter at that point in the game.

The thing is, with electromancer out both essence scatter and negate only cost 1 blue to cast
Yea I want to get more draw in here too but all the draw cards in standard are costly in terms of mana
Nivmagus is a good choice, i'll put it in the side deck

Thats true. instead of jace, i'd put in quicken or alchemy raiders. both decent budget draw cards. you would only need jace for his draw ability but its not worth 5 mana to do it if you wanna win the game sooner. plus they go will with cyclops and nivmagus and guttersnipe

correction, alchemy raiders doesnt mesh well with the others but its either that or wild guess but thats 2r

Hey thanks man, it's true arftul dodge is waaaaay better than teleportal but because I want the deck to be in standard after innistrad rotates I'm only using cards from Ravnica and M14

If you do want to play the deck with Innistrad cards in it (which i think is a much better version because Innistrad has really cheap ass draw cards which this deck loves, and it also has lots of spells with flashback)
Heres a link to a budget "Izzet Blitz" (you can also find the first version on the same website)
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/woo-brews-izzet-blitz-updated-and-budgeted/

I would still use Artful Dodge until rotation. its just too good in this deck.

If i wanted to play this deck properly with the inistrad block id just copy the izzet blitz decklist because the flashback and draw in that list is far more powerful than anything that m14 offers

Deck relies too heavily on Cyclops combo not to run controlly cards
the deck you saw was probably a variant of Izzet Blitz which is a far greater build because you have the cheap draw and flashback effects that the Innistrad block offers

Ye fair comment but I like the double strike idea

Read the description, no artful dodge

mmitchell9 you know whats cool with wandering wolf? Runechanters Pike.

Man, people just don't know how to be nice on this site.

agreed1!! Let him have his deck. If he's winning and stuff let it be. i use this site to gain knowledge on my own decks and maybe copy one or two.

My strat only revolves attacking once when you're ready and countering anything that wants to remove nivix when he's pumped up
If you hadn't read the damn descriptions I said I only want cards post rotation so no artful dodge
Because i'm only attacking once the cipher on Hidden strings is useless especially because I can make cyclops unblockable with teleportal

"And don't try and do it for 20 bucks because There is no such thing as A standard budget deck, the cheapest you can get is mono- red Burn. But even that is $50.00. Good luck with the deck and take my advice."
Frank Karsten's Quest Cry http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=9473
He took it on Paris Pro Tour and went 15-5
If you took out the $20 fetchlands in the main deck then the cost would be $20
Budget decks that are competitive are hard to find but they do exist

Guys listen the truth it hurts, and If you don't want pro help get off this site because I am everywhere on here. And the fetch lands make his deck it wouldn't function properly without them, By the way Izzet Blitz runs hidden strings because it's a free spell that could also tap the opponent's only blockers and get you the win, and teleportal gives your Cyclops +4/+0 Artful Dodge Cycles in months and gives the creature +6/+0 and potentially functions on two turns and functions even after it has been countered. I have been playing this game for years and by disowning cards because they are cycling soon is a terrible way to weaken your deck. Good Luck with the deck hope you rethink taking my advice.

I stopped reading your post as soon as you called yourself a pro and immediately down voted it for super douchebaggery.

"I am everywhere on here"...300 posts over 2 years...lol kbro. Trying to tell people to leave a website probably isn't the best way to convince them that you're a good guy to listen to.

Listen buddy I have been to several pro tours I think the word pro in pro tour justifies my calling myself pro.

Don't a lot of twelve year old Call of Duty players say the same thing?

I am not even going to waste my time with this and I am too old to sit here and argue with you. Good day

I just want to state that the only reason he runs fetchlands is for landfall triggers and to thin his deck so he can draw more threats. So his deck would be worse without fetches. Even if you used terramorphics you lose out because they come into play tapepd and WW is about trying to kill quickly. If he wants to make his deck post rotation let him. It might not make much sense but he is preparing for the rotation and there's good reason to do that. He doesn't want to invest in cards he will only play until september.

I am prepared I have a deck list and the replacement cards set aside for the rotation ahead of time but will not render my deck susceptible to decks that contain the older cards. And thank you for supporting the facts about the fetch lands. Unfortunately good players are found a dime a dozen on this site, and people don't like good players like ourselves telling the truth about their decks they just want people giving them a pat on the back for their creation.

Yeah the final complete URW cyclops deck that t woo made does use alot more expensive cards and is extremely potent. But geists, sulfur falls, snapcasters, etc are rotating out and there is no reason to add them in with theros looming. So I see the reasoning for not wanting to add cards from innis and just waiting for theros.

The truth is fine, just don't be so elitist about it...

Elitest and whiny.

There we have a disagreement powerhouse cards like Geist and Snapcaster decide games. Not having those greater your chance of loss. For Example I would never run Archeomancer over Snapcaster Mage just because of the approaching cycle.

The problem is him not having them. I for example have all the staples from innistrad so it would be stupid for me to not use them. However if i wanted to play a jund deck I would be hard pressed to do it unless I had huntmasters lilianas, garuuks etc. If I didn't have them I would not even bother with rotation looming. If you have them then by all means. He probably doesn't have those cards you mentioned so why waste time if he wants to play standard. Also who is to say he doesn't have a deck with those cards already in and this is just his skeleton for post rotation?

If you read the article you could've just run plains and other powerful 1 drops like elitevanguard/ardent recruit instead of lynx/fetches
yeah they're nowhere near as powerful as a landfall'd steppe lynx but the deck can still function very well without them; they aren't essential to the strategy

"By the way Izzet Blitz runs hidden strings because it's a free spell that could also tap the opponent's only blockers and get you the win, and teleportal gives your Cyclops +4/+0 Artful Dodge Cycles in months and gives the creature +6/+0 and potentially functions on two turns and functions even after it has been countered"

The original Izzet Blitz deck by travis woo doesn't even run hidden strings because it has a full playset of artful dodge. Hidden string is bad choice too especially because you're running so many flashback cards you dont even need the cipher proc. need i remind you that cipher only procs when you deal combat damage too so you can only tap blockers afterwards when you''re already past the combat stage as well as that Hidden strings isnt even instant speed.

If i wanted to play Izzet Blitz with Innistrad block I would've just copied travis woo's decklist

jesus I'm planning for the future if you didn't notice
To be honest Ill probably build izzet blitz with innistrad now since they're pretty cheap but as soon as it rotates ill switch to something like this

You pretty much stated why they are in there though. They aren't as powerful. Lynx can do 4 or more damage depending on how you hold your fetches in a course of a game. With the equipment it would be double that. Of course you can play white weenie without lynx and fetches but the only other one drops with that kind of power are isamaru and savannah lion. Their damage will always be 2 and not something like 3 or 5 damage. The equipment also falls off without fetches. You could fix that by adding other powerful equipment like swords or batterskull but those are even more expensive aren't they? Also if his deck didn't have fetches or lynxes and changed the equipment I guarantee he wouldn't have gone 15-5. Those cards were in there for a reason.

Fetch lands are vital in that deck the entire strategy would change if there were no fetch lands.

I hate seeing players who are not at the same ability as me and I try really hard to pass on my knowledge so everyone can be better at the game, "Winning is unimportant, but it makes the game a lot more fun" - Unknown

Yes but the deck would still remain competitive without steppe lynx and fetches
Also the main wincon of WW quest cry is through argentum armour on a flier like ornithopter/skyfisher/glinthawk
the weenie questcry bit (where steppe lynx comesin) is plan b

Down talking people doesn't help anyone. And that quote is idiotic.

"Don't be a dick." - Anonymous

Ever heard of diversified threats? If you have a lynx and fetches and an armor on a flyer the opponent is forced to choose what to deal with. His deck had multiple ways of winning it wasn't just based on quest. Those glint hawks probably dealt damage to kill off the opponent as well. I say it again if he had changed his deck he wouldn't have gotten the same results. There's a reason fetchland is expensive and why landfall was a stupid mechanic with them in place. Look at any of the boros decks that ran the same concept. It might be a plan B but it's a really damn good plan B.

On a side note I love how I am getting downvoted for disagreeing with you despite I have yet to even insult you or your deck. I even gave reasoning on why you were choosing to not add cards that were rotating out. I guess I am elitist for trying to use facts to explain things instead of insulting. what's funny is though if you see most of the comments a ton of people have stated the same thing over and over in your deck and you are still refusing to do anything about it. Doesn't that make you elitist since you think you are above anyone's advice even people who are trying to help in a non insulting manner?

Seriously people? All of chronoexes comments should be like +3. he's become one of the only likeable, rational, helpful commenters on this page. While he has gone on tangents a bit with the modern stuff, he's still being helpful. Good members of the community offering advice in a neutral and rational manner should be upvoted 100 percent of the time. Hell he's practically being a moderator at this point by elaborating the creators intentions.

FINALLY - someone who knows how to comment on a deck!!
And yes, I made the reference.

But I do aggre with Gaspartacus here. He has a very good point.

Apologies chronoexe for seeming elitist
I actually value positive criticism and I actually have taken into account people's comments and made some changes to the decklist as a result. Sorry for being rude I just got a bit defensive when people just assume outright that I'm a trash deckbuilder/player for wanting to build a fun budget peasant deck

however in my honest opinion taking out the control in a deck that relies too much on cyclops being alive and putting in hidden strings (i say why it's a bad choice in earlier comments) doesnt seem like a good idea

And I am called an Elitist, well you know what I like it. Thanks for the title guys. Elitist has a nice ring to it. Now to get one thing straight I insult no one though when I comment on decks I speak the truth. The truth hurts as I have said before, and if you expect me too tell you I love your deck when there is clearly something wrong with it. That would not make me a very good teacher now would it. I don't know why I am disrespected and called such foul names as "Dick" I try my best on this site to be respectful and hope to receive the same courtesy. I would like to think we are all adults and don't resort to name calling. I hope your happy with yourselves.

Haha downvoted for an apology?
Really?

For real?
Dude..You still didnt take that fucking ring of wishes out. That card doesnt do shit!
Everybody said it to you and it took 100 comments for you taking it out.

The original Izzet Blitz deck by travis woo doesn't even run hidden strings because it has a full playset of artful dodge. Hidden string is bad choice too especially because you're running so many flashback cards you dont even need the cipher proc. need i remind you that cipher only procs when you deal combat damage too so you can only tap blockers afterwards when you''re already past the combat stage as well as that Hidden strings isnt even instant speed.

You really dont understand this card, right?
You think that when u cast it, it will only resolve when I attack and sucessfuly damage my oponent? I cant believe how people are...
Ok, let me explain it to you:
You cast it. If you oponents doesnt counter it, you can tap/untap 2 permanents. THEN u cipher it. You attack, if you do dmg, u cast it for free and tap/untap 2 another permanents.
Is that dificult?

You must not be trying as hard as you say you are to be respectful then...just accept that some people will decline your advice and when they do decline, don't be a dick about...I don't say that simply to use profanity or insult, it's just the best way I can describe the attitude that's coming across. Calling yourself a teacher and a pro does sound incredibly pious. Sorry to burst your bubble, but this isn't a pro tour. It's a forum of EQUAL players with varying intentions and skill levels, and they don't all play the game the same way you do. So please, if you want to be respected, stop acting like you're better than everybody else. Be an equal, be a member of the community, be helpful, just don't be rude or condescening about it.

I don't know what you guys are thinking Aliski and manofwar51 are absolutely without a doubt right about hidden strings. and you guys are animals Sorry but you rip apart one guy for his opinion manofwar51 doesn't deserve the crap you guys are giving him. he is right about almost everything and don't doubt his going to pro tours I have seen how much this guy helps people he knows what he is talking about.

I dont know what you're talking about Ring of wishes is out...
I also added 2 disperses and 3 Uncovered clues
Why?
Because I took the advice of other players (which i valued)

@Aliski
What is the point of tapping permanents when my goal is to finish the game 1 one attack with an unblockable creature (unblockable given from teleportal)
My opponent will be dead as soon as i deal combat damage so I won't make use of the cipher proc

Sorry for the truth, but here it comes. Others besides me have made the same comment remove the counter magic and add more aggressive cards. The counter magic is a bad way to play this deck you are better off playing it like everyone else "Aggro". The Expensive $100+ Control deck will win everytime. unless you race them. letting them sit there will only allow them to gain fuel to kill you. if you wait out the match. they will drop AEtherling and you will not be able to stop it. don't reply and say the counter magic is to stop AEtherling. because you will never win the counter war against a control deck.

the countermagic is there MAINLY to ensure that nivix cyclops can attack for lethal without being countered or dying to removal

I think this deck NEEDS countermagic because it relies on the 4 card combo to succeed without being disrupted by the enemy

If i take it all out it would be a COMPLETELY different deck, a deck that you are very much welcome to make yourself.

I don't Net deck any of the decks I play in standard are private until rotation.

"What is the point of tapping permanents when my goal is to finish the game 1 one attack with an unblockable creature"
THE FUCKING POINT IS THAT U CAN FUCKING TAP 2 FUCKING LANDS AND FUCKING CAST IT FOR FUCKING FREE FUCKS!!!!!! FUCK DUDE...U CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT?

U wont need the cipher shit, u just use it because its free to play, that means that your cyclops will gain 3 power and you will still have 2 lands to make others spell. Or you can even tap your oponents lands, assuring that he can't counter cause he wont have any lands to cast a counterspell.

And by the way, uncovered clues sucks

@manofwar51: if you really played pro tours, you would know that your decks are not private.

Not all of them pal.

fun. a couple things, though. 1, im not your pal. 2, you arent a pro, 3, no one cares if you are. this is the internet. everyone is everything. you havent displayed professional level knowledge. shit, you havent even displayed Level 1 judge knowledge. stop pretending. no one cares.

Don't insult me again.

or......? I dont take orders from you, nippledick

Nippledick is my new favorite word.

youre welcome. :)

Sure gang up on the minority. Be bully's because society needs more of those.

the minority? youre words on a screen to me, buddy. your race or whatever the hell youre trying to insinuate has nothing to do with you not being a pro. youre just some kid with internet access and no friends looking for validation. youll not get it from me.

I think he might mean that he is the minority in this argument. However that wouldn't give him any leeway. He is in that minority for a reason, that being of his own accord.

Jeez people called me mean on this site, and compared to you I am a saint. I have not once used vulgar language on this site especially to insult another human being. I can tell that you are the kind of person that would never Insult someone in person, but will do so behind a mask on the internet. I do attend Pro tours and regular Friday Night Magic and I don't care if you choose not to believe that. the only time I state that I attend Pro tours is when people doubt my knowledge.

oh, so you say you attend pro tours when people dont like your information? that sounds like youre searching for validation, like a tool. its not our fault daddy didnt hug you enough. I dont need the internet to insult you, and I would not change a single word of this conversation if it were happening in person.

as I previously stated, you have not displayed professional level game knowledge. I would be happy to test your knowledge on MTGO, but I doubt you will respond to the challenge.

Magic The Gathering Online is a waste of time and for players who are afraid to go to FNM I don't use it because I can't sell a collection of Cards from past sets that cycle on the block rotation. MTGO is a waste of money. If you are as good as your trying to put across. Then one day I'll see you at a Pro Tour otherwise your not worth my time.

@NinjaStyle612
While we are all VERY pleased that you know how to type, for the love of anything that's sacred shut it and get off this site. Sir, you are but comments away from the longest ban in your life. If you would like to say anything in your defense, say it now. Otherwise, steer away from this. You have no right to intentionally insult other members of this site, and by continuing to do so, even after this has been pointed out by more than one
corroborating source, you are violating the most basic condition for using this site. Here, I'll even look it up for you:

"Be nice, this is not a request, it is a requirement; rudeness will not be tolerated here. Our community is self-moderated, if you start saying nasty things, your comments will simply get downvoted off the page, so don’t bother. Treat people with respect and they will follow suit. If you want people to help you, go and help them first. We are all here for the same reason, let’s do it nicely."

That was quoted directly from the Etiquette sub-heading under the FAQ page. This comes straight from the site's creators. If you do not comply with the above, you WILL be reported for harassment. Consider this your only warning. Don't wear the tail, unless you want to be called an ass.

its pretty bold to claim that youre going to lay the longest ban of my life on me. I dont know what your problem is, I didnt make any untrue statements, and simply called out a pretender. if you cant handle an internet argument, maybe you should take up knitting. there isnt any friction in knitting. so many crybabies around. its absurd.

I like the first 2 suggestions but young pyromancer is a bit too slow for my taste
The 1/1 tokens don't really do that much (yes they can chump block but I can just counter anything that they play or burn it)

if you compare him with the cyclops or the guttersnipe he is really slow indeed, but nevertheless is able to do more damage than the electromancer and as you pointed out you can use the elementals to chump block and protect yourself meanwhile you get the combo :).

He's big time right Ring is not effective in standard unless your playing battle of wits.

agreed
from the beginning i felt ring a substandard chocie
replaced it with a bunch of uncovered clues

If you read the description...
I know ring of wishes is a trash card but blue/red has no other tutors available
I'll probably sub it in for Uncovered clues anyway

read sideboard notes for control

don't come into the comments section without fully understanding what you're talking about

thats the whole point you have 8 cards to try and deal with control tell me how your gonna drop a aetherling or fat jace with 4 counterspells. as a grixis control player i would love to match you because i know you have no way to protect your creatures and then your sb doesnt even make it close either

drop cyclops
you try counter/remove
I dispel/negate/izzet charm
I attack with cyclops
you try remove
I hexproof/dispel/negate/izzet charm

vses control id bring in more lategame powerhouses like aetherling or jace since i know it's going to be a longer game

dude im not going to even continue arguing this is a 20 dollar deck
do you really think im out to win PTQs with this?

i really think you are retarded for thinking you are gonna turn 4 people when you tap out for your creature on turn 3 and hope for it to stay after r-w-b blitz was a thing.

This is why we love the hot decks page :D

I think I commented at least 3 times already before but nobody seems to read the comments or description anyway
I said this deck has the POTENTIAL to win turn 4, not that it WILL win turn 4

also in the description i've also said to only drop your combo once you're prepared with the sufficient counterspells in your hand to stop any removal

I sense someone is taking this deck too seriously and needs to chill. Every deck has potential to win. This deck is very good for a twenty dollar deck and its not meant to be a serious tournament deck. The creator even says so.

^ It's such a shame I can only upvote once

The deck is very powerful. Well done my friend, this would power through a lot of FNMs and is a great starting point for new players if they don't want to spend much cash. Also your name is awesome as was the card Memnite so I think you win this arguement :)

The deck I had the greatest success with in the FNM scene was Frank Karsten's WW QuestCry back in the Zendikar Block (albeit it was a budgeted version - no fetches and Ardent Recruits (basically 1 to cast 3/3) instead of Steppe Lynxes).
So my arguements above were part of personal experience, I'm not making this stuff up.
I remember steamrolling my friend who played black/red vampires (one of the stronger decks in the competitive Zendikar Meta) over and over again even though he had spent waaaaaaaaaay more money than I did (his full playset of bloodghasts were worth twice my deck).

Memnite was one of my favourite cards in the deck. I loved it's art and to me it represented the pinnacle of mana efficiency
0 to cast 1/1 OP MAN!!!

Also, shameless self promotion...
If you're a fan of combo decks check out my newest one
http://www.mtgvault.com/memnite/decks/standard-ub-ohko-combo-mill/
Mill your opponent until they reveal 24 lands with some equipments and Mirko Vosk

Nice deck.

You are a beautiful human being

Downvoted for giving a compliment?
what?

Quicken might be something to look at as a good little cantrip.

So far my draw options are: quicken, uncovered clues/divination and inaction injunction (i think inaction injunction is a better version of prophetic prism)
I don't really like wild guess because you gotta discard and it costs 2 red (2 red is a bit fiddly to make)

quicken is nice becaues it's a 1 to cast draw a card but it's second effect isn't all that useful
As it stands id rather pick uncovered clues/divination/inaction injunction
so i picked uncovered clues :P

I've fiddled round with the deck and my friend is going to run it at my local FNM, do you want to know how it does?

Of course!
Check out my sideboard notes for some help vs common deck archetypes
I think it will do fairly well, probably have most trouble against american control/control or removal heavy decks in general

If anything putting it through it's paces should help reveal improvements to the current deck list

Well the local meta is 'The Rock' which is B/G which was featured at worlds as the alternative to Jund

Hmm i've heard of it
Green Black Midrange with access to ridiculous amounts of removal
I'd sub out the shocks (they won't be able to kill anything) for more dispels/noncreature countermagic and definitely some rapid hybridization

that's exactly what it is
but nivix cylcops combo decks arent really trademarked by travis woo

He doesn't plan on getting a turn four win, it's just a slim possibility.

If thats a slim possibility, then is there any way of the deck winning on maybe turn 8? Certainly, you'll need a deck that can get it's win condition dealt with early so that the opponent doesn't have a nasty scheme that ruins it all.

Perhaps the title is a bit misleading
Everyone reads it and seems to think "THIS DECK WILL WIN BY TURN 4 EVERYTIME"
Instead of
This deck can win by turn 4 sometimes

I think all the neg comments come from haters who are jealous about the 88 likes... That's more likes then all my decks combined, lol. This deck is fun and for all you haters who think that reformatting a deck archetype is stealing... Suck my Cyclopes!

wtf?
i don't know what you're talking about

100 and 10 percent correct. Every deck needs some Sanctuary Cat.

Kiln Fiend allows your deck to be much more aggressive which is reflected in your decklist
There is basically no control whatsoever it is full aggro

I guess the fact more people will be attracted to standard decks rather than modern?

Modern decks also tend to be far more powerful than anything standard has to offer because of the larger card pool :/

honestly, if it won you tournaments, who gives a shit about likes on some internet site that has very little actual credibility in the overall MTG community?

thats not to say there arent credible decks or players here, but whens the last time you heard someone say"i got this idea from MTG Vault" ?

play your game for you, not for a bunch of likes from 14 year olds.

Well said, if not blunt.

sometimes, blunt is needed.

the hell people with down voting like if I where just a mere spammer (well last comment it was kind of a spam), scroll up uncovered clues is on the deck because of my feedback... jeez >:(

uncovered clues isnt very good. there are many better options for a deck like this.

like what?
the only others i can think of is divination

I see that. Don't really know why though. It just seems like someone went through them without reading any, and down voted them just to be an ass.

Might want to delete all of your duplicated comments. You have a nice idea there, though i think that if you went in that direction this deck really wouldn't be the same. More like a variation there of. Making it more aggressive and adding green opens so many possibilities.

sorry bout that lol. I kept getting this notice that my comment wasn't getting through so I retried it a couple times.

No problem. Stuff happens.

clean up complete

I like your suggestions but to do that I'd have to splash green which is such a pain :/

I saw the blue red green on front, oops, that was just the dangerous part of armed//dangerous. sorry

Ah. Makes sense.

its trying to communicate.....


lets assume that youre saying that its not likely to draw a cyclops, so add a black spell and make the deck more complicated than it already is.


thats what we call a bad idea. it makes things more complicated than it needs to be, since those spells you list are both double black.


also, please learn spellcheck.

10/8 flying, trample, double-strike . . . yep, that'll do it. Unless the opponent has 1 flying creature . . .

Ajani has two white in his mana costs. You would have to get a Temple Garden out first if you want both Elvish Mystic and Ajani. Also, what is the point your comment is trying to make?

Turn 1 Elvish Mystic (G)
Turn 2 Ajani 1(W)(W)
I know you're running multicolour lands but Ajani cost double white (and also battledriver cost double red)

idk if you can get them straight out especially because of your mana base (a lot of your lands come into play tapped that early in the game)

how much is ajani, battle driver and kalonian hydra again?

I did not wanted to make any point with my comment... ...I'm tired today & I rarely visited this site in the past couple of months...

You are right about the Temple Garden issue, but about once in 12 opening hands, I have the combo ready... ...& if not, or the lands does not come in the right order, than I'll finish in turn 5, may be 6 (if I can)...

I'm not saying, that I've made a good deck, nor a cheap one, though the whole thing is not expensive & I have all the cards... ...I've reacently lost passion for deckbuilding, because I feel like I've done what I wanted 'til the next block starts coming out...

In 2 years, this is the 1st comment I've made that doesn't offer any suggestions &/or contain personal & objective opinion... ...& I'm sory for that.......

Good man for apologizing and calmly saying what your point was, also the deck does look pretty awesome!

Anybody mention blistercoil weird yet?

I'd love to put that in but there's no space left in the Main Deck OR Sideboard :/

Blistercoil doesn't boost enough to become lethal; you have to cast nine instants or sorceries to get him to that 10/10 double strike Memnite's looking for.

Mizzium Skin

but conditionally safe nivix cyclops play on turn 3 and stay fully turned, no mana to play mizzium skin.

so dont play it turn 3, play it turn 4 with protection. it will all depend on the kind of deck you are playing against.

you don't have to play nivix turn 3 that was just my example of a turn 4 kill

in reality you should hold out playing your combo until you can answer any counters or removal

something troubles me, the text "And can attack this turn as though it doesnt have defender" part, does that mean you can declare him attacking at the same turn you dropped him if you cast an instant or sorc that same turn? the card doesnt say, it gains haste or something. but just thinking.

No, normal summoning sikness rules apply. The text is also another way of saying "loses defender for the turn". Since there is no mention of haste, then there is obiviously no way that it can attack without a haste spell

I do not understand what you mean?

Ok, I think my deck file was corrupted. I started with a new deck and it seemed ok, not sure what was going on there but was probably just a bug of some sort.

good luck my friend

Thank you ;-)

Any bugs like the above please report on the forum or Facebook. Cheers!

Clearly very busy with the party mate... Lol ;-)

ill be looking forward to seeing it

Guttersnipe will help in the late game. As far as I can tell

Fluxcharger takes better advantage of spells like Armed//Dangerous - works very well late game :)

I'd keep both to be honest - when you're reducing casting cost withe the electromancer you need lands to have U or R available to ensure everything for the combo can be cast without fail - I'd run 4 steam vents and 4 guildgates

I hear that. Too many times have I been screwed over because I didn't have the correct types of mana. I believe that that's what the dual lands are for, but the're SO expensive

I found the same - i run 4 steam vents, 4 sulfur falls, 4 guildgates and 2 desolate lighthouse in my list and haven't had any problems since switching that :) http://www.mtgvault.com/buzzgsc/decks/nivix-rocket-ru/

Guildgates really throw off the mana curve if you're relying on Goblin Electromancer.
You want to turn 1 Faithless Looting, then have nothing to do turn 2 so you can place the guildgate.

Not if you're only two CMC card in hand is something like Armed//Dangerous - it can set up for turn three or otherwise be looted later on.
Yes you want to turn 1 faithless looting into turn 2 electromancer, but that exact play will only happen in around 1 in four hands, so you need alternatives - Ie either gates or up the izzet charms (for looting).

steam vents is a great card yes but shocklands are at least half the price of this deck just for 1 copy :(

good point

the duels aren't much better then the guildgates on turn 1 in this deck anyways.

True. But I was thinking of if you played it on say turn 2

the sideboard should carry skullcrank x4 and gg
regards

Love the Skull Crack Idead....adding to my sideboard. I never even thought about that when I started running this deck. +1

Well wait, who on earth would run Fog in Standard?

well, not many but honestly the way I have been running this deck I find little use for the Shocks,electrickery and rapid hybridization anyways so it clears up some space in my SB and as we all know the SB is used to adapt to certain decks and situations so a few skull cracks could save your butt against that ONE guy that has to be a dillhole and run Fog.

Why is everyone calling it Skullcrank? It's Skullcrack.

I think I fixed that well before you posted this lol. I did it because him calling it "skullcrank" got stuck in my head.

Ha ha! I hate when that happens.

Yeah, I knew it was wrong and was laughing at him calling it that but I was so focused on it that it got stuck in my head and then I typed it. There is Karma for you I guess..... : \

This deck doesn't run green.

What about Blistercoil Weird then?

"Blistercoil doesn't boost enough to become lethal" and "I'd love to put that in but there's no space left in the Main Deck OR Sideboard :/" are two memorable quotes.

Why not splash green? With two creatures, Dangerous can get all blockers out of the way to let the lethal cyclops get through if you don't have teleportal.

Actually, if you're splashing in green, why not Thragtusk?

Thragtusk itself may be a good card, but it doesn't really contribute to the main goal of the deck. Also, it would ruin the budgety part of this deck.

I think he was making a joke.

Whoops! :/

Oh yeah, this deck was budget. My bad..

Sadly I disagree with part of your assessment because I won an FNM the first time I played it there. People are not expecting it, they let the electromancer and cyclops walk. The issue is you only get the big combo out in 25% of the games. Usually I end up countering them to death until Gutterspine dwindles them down. I also added a Jace and 2xCounterflux to the main deck and an aetherling to the SB.(took out the shocks and placed them in the SB)

or does nivixis +3 trigger for every spell?

It triggers for every spell

Yeah, great idea.....I would SB 2-3 of them and swap them for the uncovered clues....because they could essentially have the same effect only "better".

On the Internet, must be true.

not hard to go to a local shop and win some FNM tournies lol. I bet 90% of the players here have done it.

I'm just pulling you leg.

Well, I thought you could be serious because you may have thought i meant pro-scene...In which case sadly no :(

I like the suggestions with taking out essence scatter and putting in more negates/dispels so i've changed the deck a bit
people have mentioned blistercoil weird but im not sure what to take out for that

im not really feeling dynacharge though mostly because my opponent can block the damage if i swing with anything other than nivix

the deck isnt his idea, so i doubt you really need permission.

Oh, then who's idea is it?

well, its not mine, but I have a similar deck that I posted over a month and a half before this. there is a Nivix Blitz deck that I suppose gets credit for it...Travis Woo, i think?

Yes this is budget Travis Woo, the original is on tapped out

direct damage is better

O.o because Guttersnipe is your only other way of winning besides your big combo?

well the big combo is the decks main way of winning and gutter sipe has no purpose in the big combo and cancel is a 3 mana counter all(and whats the -1 for!)

so what happens when they Slaughter Games the Cyclops? how do you win then? what does Cancel do against Slaughter Games and Abrupt Decay? nothing? sweet. Guttersnipe provides a quicker way to WIN. Cancel slows down an opponent. the -1 is for a bad suggestion.

You can get a Guttersnipe turn 3, a second turn 4 and Shock you opponent for six damage, and on turn 5 you can teleportal and Mizzium Skin for eight to the face and swing in for three more . . . Guttersnipe damage can potentially win you the game if you can't keep Cyclops in play.

OOPS it was a idea!

I'm not condemning your idea, I'm explaining Guttersnipe. No need to get your panties in a knot.

can someone please tell me how to link cards?

um.............what?

what's the format to link a card so that the picture will show up when you mouse over it?

like in comments not when you're making the deck,

I dont think this site does that. Additionally, this is someones decklist, not the forums. post your questions in the appropriate places.

i tried. thanks

sideboarding is game specific...you take out what doesnt work and put in things that are more helpful....its not a set thing.....

the current meta at my store has a few decks full of flyers so i may add Spellheart Chimera once theros hits, also looking in to using Chemisters Trick to force people to attack in to the 4/4 cyclops. Opinions on either?

hey! nice to know you proved wrong some of those people who are like:
"THIS WILL NEVER EVER EVER WIN IN 4 TURNS LIAR HERE I WILL EVEN LIST EVERY SINGLE CARD THAT STOPS THIS STRAT"

This deck is awesome, I played it at last weeks FNM and adapted it to my play style, added 2x Young Pyromancer, Jace and 4 Mizzium Mortars, took out the 3x Dispel, 3x Negate and 1x teleportal, remade the sideboard a bit. Oh and can you make and other deck like this one but with the new Theros cards? I bet we would all appreciate that :D
Have a great day Memnite!

Just to reiterate what Memnite said:
There will always be a card or 2 that will stop any strategy dead in its tracks, and I know this. So, please, anyone who thinks about telling me the flaw in the main strategy; FUCK OFF, I GET IT ALREADY!!!!!!

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Thanks for answering our requests man, you're awesome. And keep them coming, great content.

The deck has been untouched for months now. Memnite has probably forgotten about it and I for one don't go and change tags very often. It's not like Kahns just came out and Ravnica went while the deck was still hot

No point whining, dude.

No agreed but it is annoying when you're trying to find something and you get irrelevant results cause if out dated tags. Might need to suggest to the site that format tags check to see if the deck is legal in that format and self correct.

You should be able to tell by the date it was posted. I agree with a format search. However, the problem would be that if you search for a certain deck format (legacy for example) you will get standard, extended, modern, legacy and potentially vintage decks when all you are looking for is legacy.

Don't you love it when...

...Something posts more than once? (Thanks edit button.)

Oh I'm not saying have it automatically past the tags, just simply remove the tags if the deck isn't legal in that format.

or, you could just ignore decks that are CLEARLY not standard, and get on with your life, instead of crying about it

You can normally tell by the card used as the deck's picture. E.g. This deck uses Nivix Cyclpos which is OBVIOUSLY not standard. This is when you use NinjaStyle612's solution