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Another deck on my deck-making-spree! Big Baddies and infinite turns! Progenitus is in here, but I didn't want Vault making the deck 5-color, so that's why there are 59 cards.
Use Monolith, Thran Dynamo, and Deranged Assistant to ramp into Panoptic Mirror, next turn (or same turn if your lucky), imprint Part the Waterveil, re-cast every turn, use Quicksilver Amulet to get out your big baddies, (if you don't just hard-cast them with all that ramp >:} ), and STOMP. Elixir is in there for life recovery if your playing against an aggro deck, and for preventing from milling yourself out, in case the opponent makes the game go long/instant speed mill.
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To being taken seriously at all you need to stay inside the restricted banned list for at least Vintage. Meaning only 1 Sol Ring is allowed. Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Grim Monolith. are all very good replacements for the 3 illegal Sol Rings. Keep in mind the crypt and vault are restricted to 1 as well.
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Ok, thanks for the tip, but what about the premise? Also, this is a hypothetical deck, I don't have NEARLY enough money to actually BUY this.
so tiger, im here. I can help you with some stuff.
I think for starters, you should make the game plan pop out more. I mean, this deck isn't legal anywhere. And, if you want to buy it, i can help make it much less expensive withought ruining your plan. First of all, those creatures really have nothing to do with this deck, and they make the cost way too high. Remove all four mythic creatures. Also, you should remove sol ring, mana crypt, and mana vault. I think a good mana giver would be deranged assistant, so I think we should put four of them. Now, im thinking we should build apon that and make this deck still have it's infi-turn strategy, but make an easier way to that. First lets fix this decks colors. I think we should do blue and black. And instead of waterveil, use temporal tresspass. Ill lay out what your deck should look like here.-4 deranged assistant-3 golgari thug-3 narcomnoeba-4 temporal trespass-2 dread return-4 elixer of immortality-4 elite arcanist-2 archaeomancer-3 call to heelAnd some more cards that have to do with graveyard search... Thats what i could think of.
Well, I want to keep it in these colors, for Eladamri's Call, and sure I can remove these creatures, but do you have any suggestions for cheap beasties? That's the rout I want to go with this deck. Get the combo going, get baddies, wreak havoc. It will be your turn infinetly, so their creatures will be worn away if they choose to chump. I agree about the grave-search though. I'll have too look into that. But why the Elite Arcanist? Both Temporal and Waterveil are sorceries, so he can't copy them. Deranged Assistant is a little slow, it's only one mana. Thanks for the suggestions though!
oh right, i forgot the are sorceries. Duh me. Lol
well, dude. If you do the self-mill thing then you should use tresspass. Not only is it cheaper in money, it costs less from the cards in your graveyard. And for cheap beasts, you should try reaper of the wilds, a four mana 4/5 that makes it so whenever a creature dies, scry 1 and you can tap one black to give it deathtouch or one green for hexproof. Bane of bala ged would also work cheap if you used deranged assistant. Instead of magosi, add in some swamps because magosi is even slower than assistant. Especially since you lose turns.Oh, another spell that works with self-mill is lantern spirit, chill of foreboding, laboratory maniac, and forbidden alchemy.
Self-Mill? I never said about milling myself, only that you would want to prevent it with Elixir. Also, you don't need to pay the cost every turn, just when you copy it out of your hand. And the CMC of the card isn't changed by delving, just paid for. Like Convoke. So, when you copy it out of your hand, you still have to pay the 11 CMC. About the beasties, thanks for the tips, I will put in the deranged assistants, for the mana for Bala Ged, I will try the reaper. Thanks!
np, but i did know you would still have to pay the 11. I suggested it because it works well with self-mill for if you need more time and you still have yet to draw a mirror. Also, if you are going to imprint it, just use the assistant, also, on turn two, you could play assistant, and by turn three you could play your reaper. I know you didn't say you were definately going to self mill but i still think it would be good. You can keep elixer though, thats pretty OP.
also, i think you can remove grim monolith and quicksilver because not only do they cost too much (Money), you already have deranged and thran. And monolith is very slow. And quicksilver puts out the creatures when really you use them only when you already have infini-turns. (Other than assistant)
Well, I see your point, but why prolong the game by waiting for enough mana to hard-cast, when you can put them out for 4?
well, the thing is, you want to buy this deck at some point, don't you? Acctually, if your really determined on using something like quicksilver, i know a card quite like it. Its called Yisa, something something. It costs about 2 or 3 mana, and you can tap 3 mana to put a counter on it, then search your deck for a creature card with mana cost = to the number of counters on it and i think it puts it on battlefield.
Oh its called Yisan the wanderer bard and it does put on battlefield. Check out my mantis tamer deck!
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Double comment. Anyway, you still need a swamp for reaper. Y'know that, right?
Oh, yea, duh. Unless Yisan gets him. Lol. Thanks though!
np, but don't completely rely on yisan. Hes good for your first few turns, getting early creatures out. But it takes him 4 turns to get reaper.
True, true.
Oh dude, BTW, I think maybe you should trim the deck to 60 cards... hmm. Enlightened tutor is too much. If You want something to find your mirror, try fabricate. Also, you don't need eledrami's call, we already have yisan, and as much as he is pretty slow, eledrami's call costs about as much as any other tutor. (Other than diabolic.) I personaly love ramp, and one of my favorite green cards is evolutionary leap. While it may not seem like a ramp card, it works very well with ramp. I mean, you have so much mana, but you cant seem to get your finisher into your hand, and its about turn 4. You sac a weak creature, reveal cards, then hopefully you get your finisher. If not, tap your so much mana and play creature you just got, sac for evo, and search again. Repeat this process until you dig to your creature.
wow dude, I can't believe how far we've gotten. :D This deck used to cost $400 and now its only 299! :3
LOL Ikr.
It was better wen costed $400. Unless your having trouble purchasing the deck why make it inferior. I really hate this site for it's budgets better mentality.
Well, I'll put it this way: The highest amount of money I've EVER gotten at one time, was JUUUUUST enough for a booster box. (IK, bad buy, I was naive.) I bought an Origins box, it came out around my birthday. In fact, ON it. I made 27.50 dollars back. WORST. BOX. EVER. But anyway, that's my point. I cant buy a $400 deck. It would take years. And a lot of luck. And some elbow grease. That's why me and manray234 are making this deck more budget. But I agree, it was better at $400, just un-buyable.
In that case sure I agree. When it comes to buying sealed product it should be done with the intention of playing the limited format. That's where the value is IMO, think about it in that way. The when you do crack open that sweet money card it's all value. Sitting down and cracking every pack in a booster box is almost never worth it.
As for the way this is built right now your mana base is never gonna make this consistent. I see 0 reason for the plains, why are they there? As well I don't see Reaper being worth the splash for black. Sure if your using shock lands and fetch lands but those are $$$. I'm suggesting you cut Reaper and make this G/U only. Replace the 2 Reapers -1 Elixer -1 Grim Monolith for the addition of 4 Coiling Oracle
maniac, we are trying to make this a good deck, but still having tiger be able to buy it. Some of the cards were good, but they could be cut for cheaper things that work the same way. I mean, grim is $25 each! For that price, i'd add in more thran dynamo's for $5 each. I like the oracle here, that can definitaly stay. All four copies. Oh, and counterspell costs $60-$80 bucks, so I would just replace it for cancel or something like that, #a lot cheaper. I would rather make this deck a little extra money than planned than make it so pricey that only rich guys could buy it. Get what I mean? Maybe even -1 Yisan, cut some reapers, and remove blightsteel who also costs $25 a piece, and add some maybe indistructable eldrazi, if you can, even desolation twin, or ulamog would cost less! Kozilek is even less than Ulamog, if you want more counters, but I wouldn't want to add the new mana. Then I bet this deck would cost about $58. (Just an estimation)
As I said above already sure do what is needed to acquire something that works for you. Tho you are very very wrong on the price of counterspells. Tiger has simply selected the Alpha version of the card. You can get a version for about $1 replacing with Cancel is horrible advise. That on extra mana is very relevant and will be a huge factor in many games.
There we go! Now it's 59! From $400 to $59!
Like said cancel is horrible. Play counterspell just pick the $1 version
As well running any less then 22 land in this deck is really hurting the probability of having a good starting 7, The odds in you having 4 mana to ever play the first Dynamo is very unlikely. The only deck I've ever considered running 17 lands is Burn that curves out at 3.
Yea, I forgot to add more land, duh. I usually use 21 land, I find it provides a good base. But which version is the $1 one?
Just don't pick the alpha or beta versions. those are the rare and prized collectibles among the truly addicted.
Ah. Ok, Thank you!
Wait, that card has a $1 version. Damn, thats cheap. Well, still. Four of them is still $4. Maybe cut two for two dissolves? The scry digs you closer to waterviel or mirror. Maybe anticipate, or telling time. Or cut some other rares for Dig through time.
In all honesty at this point who do plan on playing with this once you do build it? Forget about taking this anywhere for a legacy night. you won't win a game. Cut here for this card because it does the same thing only slower, Cut there for this card since it costs to much. At some point you have to realize certain fringe deck ideas are only possible with a lot of help from good cards. This doesn't do anything until turn 4 and it doesn't do what it's designed to do until turn 5 at the earliest. I apologize for the negativity, but I'd fell bad for not saying it if you are planning on buying this to bring to a Legacy FNM or such. (knowing your on such a tight budget).
In addition Counterspell is the "cheap" choice. You "should" be playing Force of Will! But those are, well not cheap. (because it is the best).
Yea, at this point, I know that this is really not FNM playable, ESPECIALLY not for a tourney. I kinda just want to play this against my friends and have them have NO idea WHAT I'm doing until I exile a Waterveil. Then, it's too late! MUAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH. And then they sideboard in so much hate, plus 4v1 me, that I just pop in 3 turns. Still funny though. Thanks for all the suggestions on this though! We've lowered it down to 63 bucks! From 400! YaaaaaaaaaY!
Wow Tiger, DAT CREPY EVIL LAUGH DO........ LEL. But srsly, you got enough of dat good-smellin paper moneh 2 buy dis?
Nah, but I'm worken' out a deal with my mom to buy the singles separately via bargaining. I do a couple extra chores, she buys a few rares and a few uncommons, so on and so forth.
I getcha. I wish I could do that... :(
Well, if you try to negotiate a deal with your mom/dad, maybe you will! This got started as extra-curricular learning, pitch it as that!
nah, they aint that willing. Lol.
Dude, even though I suggested evo, unless you already bought it, cut it. Because otherwise this deck is overcarded. My standards are 62 cards or less, but all my decks (Except obviously, commander) are 60 cards. #2 CARDS OVA
I agree. The only thing more cards in a deck does is give you less of a chance to get what you need.
Yeah, for myself, I make my non-commander deck limit 60 cards. (Unless I start buying... M11, is it? And I crack open a battle of wits. For other people, I advise their non-commander decks to be under 62 cards at the most. (Other than battle of wits. In witch case, go crazy.)
*Everyone starts playing pictionary. Lets help Tiger from the other side of the screen! We'll show you cards, and if you guess em you keep em. Free! But, if you get it wrong, you pay us dollars equal to its CMC.
Lol, ok! I'll take that deal. I mean, I can't ACTUALLY pay you....
You see, its a two-way deal! If you can't send us money, we can't send it to you! This is Jace Beleren reporting from NBC 10 News, where we're always happy and ending our sentences with !!
LOL. Welp. K Den.
So, got da money? Hopefully you dont lose on a waterviel...
Wait, is my name Jace? These speech cards are so hard to read. What? Im Nick... Nicol Bolas? Oh ok. Anyway, lets bring you to our weatherman, Gi-Gideon Jura? Am I supposed to be Gideon? Listen, I lost my speech card! What do I say! Umm, you know what, he's best at it. Lets take you to our manager, Alesha.
I think for starters, you should make the game plan pop out more. I mean, this deck isn't legal anywhere. And, if you want to buy it, i can help make it much less expensive withought ruining your plan. First of all, those creatures really have nothing to do with this deck, and they make the cost way too high. Remove all four mythic creatures. Also, you should remove sol ring, mana crypt, and mana vault. I think a good mana giver would be deranged assistant, so I think we should put four of them. Now, im thinking we should build apon that and make this deck still have it's infi-turn strategy, but make an easier way to that. First lets fix this decks colors. I think we should do blue and black. And instead of waterveil, use temporal tresspass. Ill lay out what your deck should look like here.-4 deranged assistant-3 golgari thug-3 narcomnoeba-4 temporal trespass-2 dread return-4 elixer of immortality-4 elite arcanist-2 archaeomancer-3 call to heelAnd some more cards that have to do with graveyard search... Thats what i could think of. Oh, and dispel is a good card.