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My cheap mill deck.If you want to have fun milling but don't want to get too expensive on the blue control cards well here ya go lol.The only thing id say that is switchable depending on your situation would be the fog banks and the jace's phantasms. they have thier pros and cons, you might even want to throw 2 of each in here.Its not as fast as mill can get but the prices do skyrocket the faster you want your milling to go.If you don't mind paying for better i have the faster list at this link:http://www.mtgvault.com/safehav3n/decks/agro-mill-deck/
Your looking to get out at least one early hedron crab because of the cool interactions with some of the lands like evolving wilds wich lets you mill double on a hedron crab. Also have the dimir aqueduct that lets you bring a land back to your hand to mill with it again.Besides that you want to mill as often as you can. If you have the mana save for counters to spells or creatures you cant afford to let stay on the board. Otherwise if its just a beater you can always leave it to be defended by the fog bank.you can use cards like Dimir charm and mind funeral to not only get rid of spells but in the early game you can use them to starve your opponent for mana which is always nice. Any advantage is a good one when your trying to mill.
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Let me know what you think. Any additions, subtractions, or just cards that work better comments are definitely wanted. Thanks for checking it out.
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some of the newer series have some interresting mill-cards.What's the competition level?
More of just some fun at work at the moment... Can you recommend some?
Both compelling argument and winds of rebuke offer something for the professional millers, so they might be good for you too.The thing mill has lacked for years have been mill that does something in addition to milling, and new releases are slowly adding this to mill as a concept, so if you keep on collecting the mill from each release you will end up having a great theme deck, though it may take some years, but I can see you got some of the nasty stuff as well.I can recommend chancellor of the spires if you can also get surgical extraction and/or extirpate. Nothing rips appart a deck like the chancellor, and lategame you can use breaking // entering to animate it, though this demand that you play red, possibly with faithless looting.I also love talent of the telepath which is a great way for mill to both mill and "do something other than mill"I have lots of mill-designs on my page, with indepth analysis of many of the involved cards, so go take a look and you might see something that fit your needs.I can tell that shriekhorn outperforms tome scour at all times, and I've measured it to mill an average of 5.something so in essence it always beat the averages of what tome scour can do.This link will give you access to a group of competitive millers and their builds.http://www.mtgvault.com/wickeddarkman/decks/forum-competitive-modern-mill/
Thanks a lot man going to start looking at all this.
So guys with the cards i added to the side board what would you guys get rid of and add to the deck i have?
Mill is always one of my pet projects. I have to say, you're missing the poster child: Glimpse The Unthinkable. There is just no better costed mill spell outside of Archive Trap. Which should also be played depending on your meta.Also, Traumatize isn't the best. Aside from it being really slow, by the time it comes out the opponent has milled enough that it wont hit as many cards as you'd expect.
Going to look those cards up. when it comes to Traumatize, do you think it could be useful against opponents using like a hundred card deck? or would you still have milled them enough that it doesnt matter?
That's a fun question. Most people I've ever played with run 60 cards, not 100. If you're playing against a slow deck with that many cards, yeah traumatize can be useful. But, against any speedy or 60 card deck it's not good.Another funny idea, since you mention this is casual. Look up painter's servant and grindstone. 2 card infinite mill combo :D
I've gone against "commander decks" before with mill, but never used traumatize, but it makes sense to use it against a large deck, just don't use more than two.Best multiplayer millcard is mesmeric orb and don't fear it yourself, you will mill ahead of the others.
yea ill most like just side deck them. one of the guys i play against is using like a 90 card deck
So with the cards i added to the side board what would you guys get rid of and add to the deck i have?
if i may, i would suggest Thought Scour, one of my favorite spell in this kind of deck.Instead of using a lot of walls, try to include Propaganda, its a lot harder to remove than a simple wall.Speaking of walls, Fog Bank is one of the best wall ever created.Dream Twist is a nice addition too, and, if you can afford them, Glimpse the Unthinkable is a must.Also, Surgical Extraction and Extirpate can do wonders to remove all the threats of your opponents.
those are a bunch of great cards. i just got back into magic and even the first time around i wasnt crazy into it. So its nice to have you guys give me a bunch of ideas to improve with it. need to post all of them in the side deck and then see what my new deck list could look like.
Again it depends :DIf your playgroup is large you might want to use as many cards as possible that mills EACH player, like winds of rebuke and mesmeric orb. This will also make you a heavy target among the others, so you need a blend of a very efficient defence and as many mill-effects that hits everyone as you can get.In a small group, go with everything that mills a lot, mind funeral, archive trap, glimpse the unthinkable (again, take a look at the link I provided)
i must say that there is a lot of good cards on your sideboard right now, its really to your liking the ones you will include.As told above, i would remove the 7 walls (Nighthawk is a solid blocker, but it could be removed too). Mind Twist is almost useless here. Traumatize seems good on paper, but in action it really sucks in fact: Once you will have reached your 5 mana to cast it, theoretically you should have played some mill spells already, so the library will already be thinner, so the effect will be downgraded, 4x Mind Funeral is a must!Include the Fog Banks for sure.Talent of the telepath: maximum 2Increasing Confusion should be removed too, there are a lot of better spells with lower mana investment.Psychic Strike takes a lot of mana to cast for what it does, si i would simply include some regular Counterspells or some Mana Leak. I find Dissolve a little bit better than Psychic Strike juste because scry is a good ability to have in this kind of deck.Another card i really liked was Dimir Charm: the 3rd option allows you to put 2 cards in the graveyard of your opponent as well as allowing you to choose the next draw of your opponent, something awfully fun to do!I once built a deck of this kind, a really good one at it, and i was using all the lowest mana cost for mill spells (Tome Scour, Breaking//Entering, Mind Funeral, Glimpse the Unthinkable, Dream Twist, Mind Sculpt, Thought Scour) and all the other spells were counterspell or board removal spells. So you want to have the lowest mana cost for your mill spells so that you can keep your mana availables for the counterspell/removal spells.Hedron Crab is a pillar in this kind of deck, i especially liked to play with lands like Oboro, Palace in the Cloud so every turn for sure there is a landfall that triggers.The key words are:-Effectiveness of the mill spells for the lowest mana cost you can have.-Instead of using creatures for your defense, try to use more counterspell and removal spells.-Card advantage, card advantage, card advantage (or scry).
Thanks for all the help man. I have changed it up, what would you do to get it closer to 60 or 70 cards? do i need any planeswalkers? also i like what Archaeomancer can do but is it needed?
Archaeomancer can be removed, but it's a good spell nonetheless, it can help you a lot.One of the thing i like about Magic, is the challenge to do a deck with only 60 cards. But thats a personal feeling.Remove the Talent of the Telepath, the Doomed Blade and Go for the Throat and add one another Hero's Downfall (3x total). The mana cost is higher for Downfall, but it can help you in more situations than the 2 others.Jace Beleren could be removed, is second ability is insane, but........there are better spells for this deck.Maximum 2 or 3 Shriekhorn, and if needed, remove them entirely.Use only 20 lands, if you can keep your mana cost bellow 3 for all your spells, you will not need that many lands.lastly, if needed, remove the Dissolve.That way you have 16 cards already removed (if you remove all the Shriekhorn and the 2 Dissolve) for a deck of 60 cards.
Awesome, i did all that but took out tome scour for the shriekhorns just because you get an extra 4 cards milled for the same cost. This actually looks way more competitive for us battling at work lol. Thanks again, you saved me money. Been playing with an incomplete deck cuz i was waiting for ideas from here. Now i can finally order the rest of what im missing.
hehehehe its always a pleasure to help ;) good to know i was helpful!and what i like of your deck is that it is pretty cheap in money cost! Hope you will have some fun playing with it.Just a hint, keep the cards in your sideboards, just so you try some cards and change them if you feel they do not fit.Its a first scratch of a deck, so don't lock it down already, do some experiences, try some cards, replace them, but don't lock it, that way you will always have some fun with it, especially knowing you are not playing competitive but against the same group of people at your job.
yup yup will do. Have some of the cards already to keep in the side for some of my friends. Def getting traumatize to try out on my friend with the 100 cards to see how it works out.