I put a spell on you

Hrm, while I do disagree about gravecrawler, you did help remind me about Hymn and Snappy. Been wracking my brain over those two and I just couldn't put my finger on their names haha.

I just feel without waste not it just gets blanked too easy, and even with waste not it isn't a sure thing they will discard a creature/even have creatures in their decks.

I am hoping for a Hymn to tourach reprint, it'll be too strong for standard but it could fit nicely into modern maybe in "modern masters 2" afterall it isn't on the reserve list.

I would love to see Hymn get a reprint. Thankfully it has been printed enough times that its price has stayed relatively low, but it wouldn't hurt to give it another to really bump down that price.

It's not the price why i want it reprinted:P
I just play a discard deck in modern and would love to get rid of the maindeck wrench minds for hymns.

I suppose making the jump from Wrench Mind to Hymn would be pretty nice, huh? =P

Probably too good for modern. Think of how good B/G/x is already. That is mostly because of efficient attrition warfare, they don't need another tool.

Well affinity is already 8-racks worst match up haha wrench mind is just sooo bad in that match up:P

Well, kinda. I want them to draw a bunch of cards, only so I can make them discard those cards right after =]

If you splash red you could consider Burning Inquiry.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=191096

This has been discussed below vvv

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cool deck dude

@toast -- I LOVE Anvil. It's one of my favorite dirty artifacts. Not sure if I want it in here or not. One of the other things it does, that many people don't notice at first, is that it changes the order of the draw and discard phases. With some decks, this can be used in some awesome ways, but I don't think it would be very helpful here.

@king -- Thanks =]

your welcome

ya it is dude

Contrary to popular belief, a turn one Pox is usually a REALLY bad idea =]

oh ok: )))))))))))))))))))))))))

Well, if you have two rituals opening hand, pox, and liliana's caress, it could work in your favor, but I get what you're saying.

it is Jessie?

Discard in general is sexy...very dark, fluid, to the point.

And I think he did justice with Waste Not.

I can easily discard Gravecrawler to (Small)Pox and with the likelyhood that Waste Not will get me some zombie tokens, I can pop it right back onto the battlefield.

ya discard is sexy #giggity

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ya that too

Well I wanted to do Waste Not justice, but I also wanted to explore a bit. I could have easily done a classic MBC discard punch-in-the-balls deck with it, but I like to show people other things a great card like Waste Not can do.

Crap...forgot the tokens produced were considered Zombies.

Well played, well played.

Yeah, I was very happy when I noticed that they were zombies. Come to think of it, it'd be pretty cool to see a zombie tribal use Waste Not.

"Designed by the Magic Community."

That says it all. :)

the only way

I'm happy to say I was a part of that "Magic Community" design group =]

Magic community here I go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Same, I voted at every section, and I am super happy to have a replacement for bitterblossom and thats not even mentioning all the possiblities.

good bro #welcometodarkside #starwars #getit

what was that? #seriously

Btw - Have you heard the original score of "I Put a Spell on You?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwXai-sgM-s

Beware of .. Everything..

ok :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(((((((((((((((((((((((((((

@Blackfire -- There's some debate over whether or not that's the original or not. Almost immediately after it came out, there were countless covers, so it's really hard to pin down who originally wrote it, especially back then. That said, I love pretty much every version of that song.

@kingcobrael23 -- dude, enough with the hashtags, and enough with the useless comments on every other useful comment. Starting to really bug me, and you look like a damn "#idiot"

CCR's version is my personal favorite, but the one you linked to, isn't bad, at all ^_^

still is without it

for a real response to your question, the skeletons are wayyyy too mana heavy for a modern deck, let alone this legacy deck. Crawler at least has a relevant body to attack with/is cheaper to recur

^bingo. He might be a Triassic Era boner pill, but viagrasaurus knows his stuff.

I enjoy reading humorous comments. Keep up the sense of humor.

That's what I would've used had I made this a mono-black design. Great card =]

I still say Carnival of Souls shows promise.

I might give it a try, but I worry that if I get enough chain discards going, I could end up killing myself haha.

Absolutely, not saying for this deck...sorry.
I meant in general...i think, somehow, Carnival and Waste Not could work together.

This deck, as is, is very solid. And thus, makes it hard to suggest cards.

Oh, yeah, they could definitely go together. If you set it up right, you could create one hell of a chain, maybe even finish it off with my least favorite card of all time, Tendrils of Agony =P

With lots of free mana drops/creatures...yep, yuck. lol

They are both a little too slow for legacy, you would be better off using divining top and reforge the soul.

Please tell me how Burning Inquiry is too slow? Tell me what other spell that costs 1 mana that forces all players to draw 3 cards (underworld dreams likes this) and discard 3 cards at random (liliana's caress likes this)?

See it just doesn't fit in this deck, If you removed master of the feast/underworld/dictate and added caress, and inquiry it would be a different story. Also leaves slots open for brainstorm, discard spell or more disruption(stifle or daze)

Since this deck is not going to win with attacking, I would sub Burning Inquiry for Gravecrawler. Waste Not will give you creatures if you need them. The way that inquiry can swing the game with multiple opponents is too powerful for 1 mana. It's easily splashable by tweaking the mana base a little. With a Lilian's Caress in play, 1 mana to have each opponent losr 6 life is a pretty good card for 1 mana. If you have Underworld Dreams and Lilian's Caress out, it does 9 damage to each opponent. In casual, that's fantastic for 1 mana.

6 damage isn't enough to justify chancing helping them more than you hurt them.
sure it can make sure it does 6 if they have 0-2 cards in hand but it really isn't worth it.
That is why the only 8-rack decks(even in modern) are still Mono black or Black wit ha blue splash for spellskite.
(talking about decks that can actually 3-1 or 4-0 a daily on Moto, not do alright at FNM)

Even if they have more than 2 cards, it still equalizes since the cards are discarded at random (which increases the benefits of Waste Not). I think that this gives more win options than Gravecrawler does, since it cannot block. We're going to disagree on this, but I do know how to make decks that work and do well. And normally, you wouldn't play this until you had 2 of the discard damage enchantments out (Caress or Megrim). It's a powerful card with all players being effected by it. This would be a must add for me, especially since he is running Underworld Dreams. If the Dreams were not in here, then this would not be as effective since I would rather run pure discard.

Hell, even Blightning would be hella good here too if red were splashed. Think outside the box a little. All I was trying to say was that adding red would get some good interactions with other cards. Staying Black Blue is fine, but I feel that Black Red with the Blue Splash for Spell Pierce and Snapcaster is the way to go. Just my opinion.

Here is my take with red splashed:
http://www.mtgvault.com/berndttoast/decks/waste-not-want-not/

You can absolutely choose to splash red, add this, take out that. That's the whole idea of this deck, to get other ideas flowing. If this deck inspires someone to make a kick ass red splashed discard deck with Waste Not, then I've done my job =]

Yup, that's what totally happened here. Well done sir.

Yeah, it's what my group refers to as "business casual". It's casual, but we mean business.

Speaking of pawning deck links out...I have no shame...and I have noticed you seem to like literature (by noticing some of the titles of your decks)...so here you go.

William Shakespeare Flavor Text deck.
You got it, has to be original, right?
Cards with Shakespeare quotes on them.

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/will-shakespeare-flavor-text/

Any feedback (or comment downvoting) welcome. :)

I'll be sure to check out both decks as soon as I can.

Maybe an EDH deck could be possible using all of the famous author quotes on cards.

Now THAT would be cool. I love playing against theme EDH decks. They often don't win the game, but they sure win at a lot of other things =]

Often you have a group bust out their decks for a game of EDH, then the guy with the themed deck takes his out and while playing everyone is like, "Dude! Check. Out. This. Deck!" For example I have a buddy who's Canadian and his dad is a Mountie. So he made a Mountie themed EDH where every creature is a dude riding a mount.

I will say this...if I have to be typecast into "that guy" I wouldn't mind being "theme guy."
IT takes thought, effort, card searching, etc.

Anyways, if you get a chance to look at it, I would appreciate it.

already has Lilliana's caress, which is cheaper and causes life loss, which is harder to prevent than damage. :)
I honestly don't think Megrim is really needed.

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yeah but imagine getting more discard triggers :D

I understand that, but dreams gives you a free damage every turn, whereas megrim doesn't. Also I'd they have nothing to discard you can still cause damage fairly reliably by draw.

And what if they play draw cards on themselves? Either they good off and put themselves are a disadvantage in that way or take damage to get more cards. So it acts as a minor form of control in a sense as well.

Megrim isn't BAD, per se... But I think that Surewhynot has the better setup here already.

i guess it is a bit of a win-more card, but underworld dreams seems pretty bad too (plus triple black seems to be pretty hard to manage consistently in a multicolored deck). i would rather go for either redundancy or more discard. tbh i really wanted to hear what he has to say about it.

I see. that makes sense. perhaps he will answer then.

Underworld Dreams is one of my favorite cards to pair with Caress/Megrim. It punishes players who try to undo the discarding by drawing cards. It also lets me do some truly dirty things, such as gaining from Dictate of Kruphix while adding more ticks of damage to the opponent.

The best part about U.W. Dreams in this deck is Waste Not. Whenever a land is discarded I get double black. That REALLY helps ease the pain of paying the triple-black. It's the same reason Pox is in here. It's surprisingly easy to play.

fuck man, that does it. i'm proxying this deck and taking it to an FNM. it looks so evil!

Before I was reminded of Snappy, I had Wistful Thinking in his place. It's a great option for something like this.

Scythe Specter isn't modern legal, and you're running 20 land with 5-6 drops The op deck is a ton more consistent.
Also creature based discard isn't good.
8-rack is the deck I play and if you are going to play it in modern with waste not you can't go budget and expect to win anything.

http://www.mtgvault.com/viagrasaurusrex/decks/8rack/ almost as consistent as it gets.

Finally, thank you Viagra T rex!!!
"Creature based discard isn't good."

Thank you for that. So many people fail to see that. And run Specters and stuff. They are too slow!!! 3 and 4 mana for a creature, that doesn't force you to discard the turn it is cast, and that relies on being unblocked to force any discarding...that is lame!

Like with burn, and land destruction, Discard needs to be fast.

With that said, I am not trashing anyone's decks.
Just agreeing with the "creature based discard isn't good" statement.

Can't argue with that.

Abyssal Nocturnus could be a fun way to beat your opponent as well, even though your opponent would see it coming

They're both very close, but I felt with Pox being in the deck, I could get more efficient use out of Crawler. Kinda hard to explain unless you really play the deck. I guess you'll just have to take my word on this one.

Sounds good. I bet with the reliable discard Gravecrawler can come back more often than Bloodghast. This is a really cool deck, I enjoy decks that have a singular focus. Unfortunately, I am not so good at making them :)

Surewhynot knows his stuff, believe me. He is right with Crawler being more efficient for the deck. I love both Ghast and Crawler, though.

I love the combination of Jace Beleren and Liliana of the Veil it is extremely good, especially with Liliana's Caress! Sure Dictate is also great but Jace can also Mill and grind your opponent out as an alternate win? Ashiok is quite silly tok, especially in Modern. I used Ashiok ended up winning off of 2 Goyfs that wrre 5/6's!

I want to show people something else. Something original.

Banned to the max.
Memory Jar/Megrim decks were winning on Turn 1.
It was the fastest banned card in Magic History!

Ah. Nevermind me then

Yeah, Memory Jar was banned in two weeks, after it came out!
It is insane!

yeah it is i use them in my commander decks and if you pull them you got a huge advantage

It's Turn 1 win percentage is up there with Academy.
What, like 60 percent? It's crazy. Especially now that there is Liliana's Caress instead of Megrim.
But it is banned, so is a few of the cards in the Jar deck.

<___<

Memory Jar would be hilarious with Waste Not. If only...

A few Jars and a few Yawgmoth's Will...and call it a day.

Good game! :)

I'd like to point out you can use both of those in EDH :)

I can see why...it is one thing to run 4 copies of Memory Jar in a 60 card deck.
It is something entirely different to run 1 copy in a deck that is 99/100 cards.
It neuters Memory Jar and Dilutes it's power.

Same with Yawgmoth's Will (what a damned power house of a card that one is!).

Haha glad you like it. So far the landbase has been working wonderfully for me.

After a few test hands, I can see why. It just seems weird on paper, but after taking into account the way the costs are laid out, it makes a lot more sense.

Personally I am not sure if I really like mana confluence of not. It seems like city of brass would be better, given that there are cards that prevent paying life.

That's a very particular situation, that not many people are ever put in though. That feels like saying Storm is too shaky a combo deck because Leyline of Sanctity exists.

I am with Kazzong with City of Brass vs. Mana Confluence.
Both are great cards.
But I like City of Brass better. Not saying that for this deck. Just in general, I like City of Brass.

nice one :))

Then again...i actually own 3 City of Brass (so of course I am going to like the card that I actually own and play)...and want to feel like I am "old school."

I really am getting old, lol.

They both rock! Both Lands.

Honestly, I see Mana Confluence as slightly superior generally. City of Brass doesn't interact anywhere near as well as it does with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth. But this is admittedly almost as situational as not being able to pay the cost for Confluence.
I'm boring, and just trying to see the merit of both from a more objective standpoint. In reality they're so similar it's a bit pointless to argue them actually.

City of Brass does look cooler though.

Oh, I know that it is Monday nit picky, but hey... When a better card exists.. Why not use it? I am pretty sure that it is currently WAY cheaper than mana confluence as well, since it isn't standard. But both ARE good. :)

In effect it's not better, it's just slightly different. If shutting down paying life for a cost is a significant threat, then City of Brass may as well be considered just as bad since it increases the efficiency of Rishadan Port.

>___>

I've actually killed a player with my Rishadan Ports against his City of Brass. T'was hilarious.

And I chose Confluence because it's sliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightly better with Urborg. It really is apples/oranges though.

Cthulhu fhtagn, you've actually done it... YEEEEEEES! XD

Let us all agree that both cards rock! :)
And didn't even think of forcing someone to tap City of Brass using something like a Port. Nice catch, there!

ok, that makes sense then, with urborg. Didn't catch that. :)

I have and I'm very happy about it actually. I've thought for a long time the core sets needed to go and just be their own stand-alone product to buy on the side. While I'll always be suspect about Standard, the changes might get me to dip my feet back into it...we'll see. I might just continue to stay in the sidelines, offering help to the tourney brainstorms like I did with Kuldotha Rust, Lucky Charms, and American Control, but the added diversity does give me hope for the format.

I also am very happy about these changes because of my love for the story of magic. With the writers having more production ability and with the "space" issue taken care of, the rich world(s) of magic can really start to grow.

I don't know much of the stories, but I would like to re-visit Lorwyn ^_^

Are there tenfold saga's to these mainlines which R & D select?

Here is my issue...no Core sets.

So...since they will still be reprinting cards...where will they print them? In the main two sets, each expansion? If so...sounds like 1/4 of each set is going to be reprints...if they aren't going to dedicate Core Sets for reprints.

And, since, expansions will cycle in 18 months...that is just expensive cards to buy, that will reduce in price even faster.
So...your 400 dollar standard deck will be going down to 200 dollars 6 months faster than it use to.

And "mainlines." Not sure why you mean by that...but I do know that Mtg has said they already have the next 10 years planned out.

Also...he mentions, Mark, that they are looking into sets for beginners...so, is it going to be more stuff like Portal and Portal Three Kingdoms?

They actually meantioned in a follow-up podcast to the article that they're still working on how they will introduce reprints without "saturating the blocks with reprinted cards that have little to do with the story or mechanics". They talked about a number of ideas for doing this, but mostly they kept expressing that they don't want the blocks to become ruined by an abundance of reprints.

Core sets are some of my favorites.

What it sounds like is this: Do away with most of the Reprints...and keep a few really great Reprint cards.
I see that as making Standard more boring, not less boring.
Everybody ending up playing the same powerful reprints.
Better quality reprints...but much less to choose from.
Where it may be less diversity...not more. And that is the opposite of their intended purpose.

The next year or so will be interesting to watch :)

And half the fun, regardless of story (a side note...I am not expecting Tolkien or Lewis quality work in Mtg...or even something like Neil Gaiman,) is seeing what cards are reprinted in Core Sets....