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I have felt that there is some way to make Slivers playable in Modern, especially with the recent additions in M14 and M15. The creature list is still under construction, but I know galerider sliver, diffusion sliver, and sinew sliver/predatory sliver are key. like the legacy list, I felt some removal/counterspells are required to protect your team and keep opposing threats off the board, but the list of those I want to run is still for debate, there is no good replacement for force of will.
maintain tempo with enough control/removal to keep your opponent several turns behind, while keeping a healthy boardstate for yourself
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trying to port over my legacy slivers, all suggestions welcome!
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worked in 4 aether vials, thinking that may help
phantasmal image is pretty good at being sinew/pred sliver 9-12.Also is basically ditto being whatever you want it to be.http://www.mtgvault.com/viagrasaurusrex/decks/counter-sliver-2/this is my modern counter slivers list, basically plays like fish, I don't think the mana slivers are really needed.
thank you! I am really playing with the list so the ideas are welcome. I was on the rocks about mana slivers, so they may be cut, and I will check out your list may steal an idea
Mine is more of a copy of legacy counter slivers rather than just sliver beat down.I like tempo better than aggro(control player at heart, tempo just feels right lol)
so made some edits, no more mana sliver, unsure if I have the manabase for cryptic now
not very nice
I would love to make some suggestionsMain Board:Gemhide/Manaweft sliverLeeching sliver?Sedge Sliver? <-- modern has a man base to rock thisShadow SliverSide Board:Frenetic Sliver!Necrotic SliverVenom Sliver?Hope that helps.Also, I dislike sidewinder and firewake. Thats just me though
Venom, shadow, and sedge sliver all seem good, I will have to work on the mana base though. I like firewake sliver for the ability to turn a unblocked sliver into a fireball. Really appreciate the comment though
id run the slivers that give you 1st strike and deathtouch because that's just fun lol
i know there are a lot to choose from, but venom sliver does look enticing!
id drop the cryptic command, homing sliver, and firewake sliver to add 3 striking sliver's and just for fun you could add 1 sliver legion
4x Manaweft Sliver would really help fixing
ideas on cuts?
I jammed them in!
I'd probably cut Fire-Wake Sliver. I don't think it does enough to warrant inclusion at 3 CMC.
im going to cut it to one... I just love the ability to turn all my slivers into one fireball
Cut Firewake sliver. Maybe add 1 Sliver Hivelord instead? That protects your team very well, while being a 5/5. Ancient Ziggurat is great in a sliver deck, gets any color. Probably wanna cut hive stirrings too. Phantasmal Image would be good, but i think someone said that already
I'd cut the stirrings for 2 striking Slivers. T1 Striking Sliver T2 Venom can shut many other aggro decks down fast.
cryptic command bit too mana heavy imo
Thanks, some new slivers have been suggested and I am cutting it!
If you're running 4x Mana Leak, I would put rune snag in over them
Ok this idea I really like
add a couple copies of dictate of heliod. (flash, 3 mana, creatures get +2/+2)also flame slash over rending volley
Rending volley is for twin, and dictate of heliod cost 5, which seems bad
What about megantic sliver or battle sliver for Sinew Sliver (for more modern)? I feel like it would help with the buff and then flying. Also, I would add a mana ramp card like rampent growth or farseek. Also evolving wilds (2015) would help with fetching for right land cards. And my last Land card would be thespian's stage to get more sliver hives out.
Those are bad suggestions IMO ( No offence intended) megantic and battle are to high of a cmc for an aggressive aggro deck. Hivelord is already taking the 2 slots for his bomb drops. Evolving Wilds is a horrible land since it puts the basic into play tapped. (never a good idea in aggro, don't do it) With Cavern of Souls, the Hive land and 4x Manawefts I don't see him having any real mana issues at all. Thespian's stage isn't that bad of an idea but why would you wanna slow yourself down paying to make a land good?
I would think that he wasn't really playing aggro because he has more so control. Also, thank you for your opinion! I really hate it when people take constructive criticism bad. I would more so agree with you if I didn't see control everywhere in this deck. What about bonescythe sliver? Would you say it is too expensive mana wise also thorncaster sliver. They would be more so the game enders than anything else. My last suggestion and I would like your opinion on this, there is a new sliver (2015) that is white and whenever a sliver comes into play you exile creature until the creature leaves play. It is probably too expensive for an aggro deck since the cost is 6
Couldn't hurt as a 1 or 2 of since he is running a fair amount of control as you pointed out. Still Slivers to me are aggro.
I think I would go rather with the bonescythe than the thorncaster since bonescythe and Galerider would just destroy. It is just scary to see so many slivers with flying and doublestrike.
The great part of slivers is there are so many playable ones. I am playing aggro, the counter spells are really to stop kill spells. It is a port of legacy slivers, or as close as I could make it
Ahh gotcha, just be weary of the Supreme Verdict! I freakin hate that card. It would be cool to have a sliver that would make it so all slivers had undying or persist! That would be so OP but so great for board wipes.
Well how about render silent or syncopate or dissolve. The first and last are three cost but the first stops more counterspells or destroy for that turn and the third helps scry to know what is the next card to see if it would be of use. I would say take out the mana leak for both.
I wanted to keep them as cheap counterspells, just to keep tempo. I am playtesting rune snag
and thank you 2 for your suggestions, I have a lot of new ideas, any decks you would like me to look at?
Hey, Zaklax or Manical I was wondering if you could make a modern enchantment deck around Krond the Dawn-Clad?
I'll check it out later tonight Diamond. Ya if you have a minute Zaklax I'd love some input on a my Purphoros combo deck here.http://www.mtgvault.com/maniacalmaniac/decks/heartless-zombie-forge/It's vintage casual so anything goes. My playgroup rules are no sideboard no proxies.
Faiths reward to counter supreme verdicts effect.
If you mark this unloved with 19 likes I should kill myself with zero.
it was marked unloved with 0 likes.... it was seen afterwards, kind of the point of the unloved button
not sure if this kind of effect is a thing BUT i would replace two manaweft with two copies of gemhide as some cards like bile blight and echoing truth affect cards of the "same name"....Hope this helps, though I'm sure its meta dependant.I would also cut the feeds from the sb and add in quick sliver. It allows you to play slivers end step and .....*edit* don't worry about this the main reason to add this guy was to use crystalline as a counter-spell, only hivelord works like that in this deck.
i dont really see the point of hivelord here, since this is an aggro deck. imo would replace it with something like bonescythe sliver which drastically improves your damage output and can end games instantly or something similar.
the way reflecting pool is worded it would produce any color of mana after you drop cavern of souls or hive. Since you only run 1 fetch im guessing thinning is no issue so it seems like a fantastic addition to this. You could also try a 1 of ancient ziggurat and maybe some cities of brass if you really dont care about your life total that much.Hivelord seems really out of place, you could probably get more milage out of opaline sliver so you can keep the gas going like no tomarrow.
Cool start, but no homing sliver?
homing sliver was dropped for more agro slivers, I think he should still drop the counter spells for something more agro. coat of arms maybe? lighting bolt is always classic
Remember that the haste effect from heart sliver means that you can tap your slivers for mana as you play them :P
Agro is all fine and dandy but it still has to run. Homing will make it run without having to spend so much money on land. Sliver hive, cavern of souls, manaweft, and homming. Can't get stuck due to mana. Then you can drop the expensive lands for simple bant trip lands and basic land.Drop aethier vial for descents path. Cycle through the deck instead of getting stuck without cards in hand.
If you have them why would you drop good lands just b/c they're expensive? As well Vial is far better since it potentially makes your 2nd and 3rd turns more aggressive instead of waiting till turn 4 for any benefit. Not to mention turn 3 is so crucial is that what you wanna be doing on it?
yes zeddreth im not sure why I would cheapen the deck, this is not meant to be budget at all
Why not use http://www.mtgvault.com/card/ancient-ziggurat/CON/ ?
I may be working that in
I run a lot of slivers, and you should consider Virulent Sliver and Bonescythe Sliver. Poison counters and doublestrike are two key agro components to make this work, plus you now have more than one win condition.
LOL, combining infect and Slivers. Your local meta wont mind at all, really. LOL You'll definitely be that guy, who plays that.
reflecting pool? hell if this was more creature based i would say ancient ziggurat. there's mana confluence too if you want to go there. thats all the mana fixing you need with 4 cavern of souls and sliver hive already in the deck
This deck is terrible and way over priced for what it does its good but it can't beat a basic elf deck or even a basic goblin deck as a trial deck it's really bad.
anything constructive to say?
I take it you've never played against slivers then. I have stuff like this IRL and it kicks ass against pretty much everything. Elves and goblins are good, not saying they aren't, but slivers aren't anything to just diss like that. I learned to play magic against legacy slivers with a modern Zendikar vampire deck that could beat anything it faced, but no matter what I tried the slivers always won. That's why the general strategy with them is literally "step 1: play land, step 2: cast slivers, step 3: profit"
legacy has one advantage tough. crystalline sliver.... diffusion just doesn't do as well... also the more i look at this deck the more i wish i was a toolkit deck only having multiples of predatory, bone splitter, and mana weft/gemhide and homing...
True. Running homing allows for lots of one offs that you can get as needed. My personal favorite thing to do is drop a genesis wave. That always makes my opponent cringe a little
Haha yea man deck sooo bad.... I mean tribal is hardly playable in modern unless we are talking fish, but I proxied this deck to are if we can make it work. I am open for suggestions or constructive criticism, but if you just wanna bash me get off the page
i not that good but i do give it by playiblty 4-10 goodness 6-10 good job
No Sliver Legion? Also Thorncaster Sliver combos well with Venom Sliver.
I haven't played with slivers in a LOOONG time. It's a very good deck. I'm just a little worried about running all 5 colors since the most I've ever gone with is 3 (with fetches, running 3 colors shouldn't be a problem, don't know about 5 though).Don't suppose you can squeeze in a coalition victory? 8 mana, but you have manaweft. I'd suggest replacing 2 of the manawefts with gemhides since they do the same thing but won't be hit by removal like echoing truth, bile blight, surgical extraction, detention sphere, maelstrom pulse, etc. etc. Still, solid deck! +1!
I agree it is a rough mana base but anything 3 or up is just bad for mana... luckily cavern of souls and sliver hive make everything
Why not Ancient Ziggurat?
I've been working on something like this but with a couple Collected Company. It hits all our creatures, and can help find a main deck Harmonic sliver or whatever, making silver bullets more viable. I've only just started testing it, so Idk how many to run for sure.
That sounds awesome! I've been looking to replace the chromatic lanterns in my slivers and I think that would be amazing to try. Will possibly replace my genesis wave even
wow I really like that idea, thank you for sharing!
yeah collected company makes this deck so op. i keep the remands for draw and if you were to play competitive you'll need and answer to twin decks.
Made some big changes, let me know what you think
what are the changes? been a while since ive seen this deck
collected company, mainboard darkheart sliver, hive sliver, and 2 hive stirrings. random sb tweaks
Coco was a great idea.
It is. I'll stick with my genesis wave though since some of my slivers are too high cmc. Still just as dangerous lol
Nice sliver deck Zak. +1 Like. I know you're going for an aggro approach, but here's my suggestions..I would drop Striking Sliver, Two-Headed Sliver, Hive Stirrings a land for some control/removal instants. Some combination of Remand, Cyclonic Rift and Path to Exile (or 2 out of the 3) comes to mind. I feel like 29 creatures is a bit excessive and you don't need more than 20 lands with such a low mana curve.While they do cost a bit for an aggro deck, I'd also consider finding room for a couple of Sliver Legion's and Bonescythe Slivers. You could probably drop a couple of Diffusion Slivers and a couple Predatory or Sinew Slivers to make it happen. If you get a Manaweft Sliver out, with the kind of creature dropping you can do in this deck, I don't think it would be too much of a problem to get them out.With those changes, you could smoothe out your mana base a bit for exclusively Bant colors outside of cards like Sliver Hive, Cavern of Souls, and Mutavault and still likely have very little problems getting out the 5 color beasties like Hivelord and Legion.I recently made a Sliver deck on here, and I'd appreciate your input if you get the chance. :)http://www.mtgvault.com/thegreatmunchkin/decks/hive-mentality/-Munchkin