Kiki's Infinite Angels Chord!

Main decked, found room for Moonmist

Put Restoration Angel Back in, Added Loxodon Smiter

Put in Kiki Jiki, dropped Moonmist

Dropped Loxodon, Added Moonmist

Dropped Daybreak Ranger, Added Splinter Twin, adding Ranger to Maybeboard. Replaced Phyrexian Metamorph, with Progenitor Mimic, adding Metamorph to maybeboard.

My friend Leo recommended Eternal Witness, a 1 colorless, 2 green, 2/1, Human shaman, that when enter place, bounce back into play, that can get ANY 1 card from the Graveyard to hand each time.

At first I thought he said Eyeless witness. But upon search for it I found it was named Eternal Witness. I cut 1 Blasphemous Act (2 left), and 1 Mayor (2 left), to make room for the 2 Eternal Witness.

The card gives me another 3 drop, that can play on turn 2, and allows me to use Chord of Calling to search Eternal Witness into play, then when it does, I get to return Chord of Calling to my hand, then use it to get Restoration Angel into play, which bounces Witness, gets me Chord back, then search for Kiki Jiki, then Copy Angel, then make infinite Angel tokens.

The trade off for Eternal Witness is worth it, because when run 3 Blasphemous acts, I usually get it too soon anyways, and can still get 1 out every 3 out of every 5 games. That's why run 2 now. And can use Eternal Witness to copy, reuse, recopy Blasphemous Act from graveyard, to combo with Reckoner, board wipe.

And altho 2 Mayors, is less consistent then 3, that's ok, because 1 will still come out 3 out of 5 games, midgame,turns 4 to 7. Also the 3 Mayor's were there for whenever failed to be to drop a 3 Cmc creature on turn 2 like Reckoner, Frontline, Ranger, and to buff humans, werewolves, wolves, make 2/2 wolf tokens. With 2 Mayor's, I can still do that, just only 3 out of 5 games, and turns 4 to 7. But usually I will still have either a 2 Cmc Mayor, or a 3 drop Cmc creature to play on turn 2, even with only 2 Mayor's instead of 3 Mayors.

I didn't know green had graveyard recursion cards, like Eternal Witness, as it's usually Blue, Black, White, that usually do graveyard recursion. Guess I don't know the newer cards well enough. Also I had heard of Eternal Witness, tho didn't know what it did, it has a good reputation as a good card, tho didn't know why. It would have been helpful lol, if my friend would have given me the real Eternal Witness name, instead of Eyeless Witness, lol. He did the same, when he suggested Kiki Jiki. He suggested, explained the card so fast, that the name, what the card did, went over my bead. When I stumbled upon the Kiki Jiki card in other decks, then searched it up, it was only then that I understood that the card was the card my friend was trying to suggest, explain to me. Lol

So my friend is suggesting that I cut something, suggesting Daybreak Ranger to put in Loxodon Smiter.

I know Loxodon Smiter is awesome as a turn 2 drop, and it's even been in the standard version of this deck that was so good before it cycled out of standard.

But Boros Reckoner is better, and part of a win con, and just as good as, better than Loxodon, as a turn 2 drop.

Frontline medic, and Loxodon are equal turn 2 drops, but Frontline gives all my creatures indestructible, protects .e from X damage spells, by countering, plus Medic is a Human, gets pumped by Mayor as big as Loxodon, and as such just fits better than Loxodon.

Also altho Daybreak Ranger is questionable, might be worse than Loxodon, might be equal, the thing that makes Ranger equal to better, to better fit in this deck, is its pumped by mayor, which Loxodon can't be pumped by Mayor. It's a Human, Werewolf, which is a majority tribe in this deck, and Ranger can be flipped by moonmist to fix tempo, and Ranger, as Nightfall Predator, can be pumped to a 9/9 nightfall predator, by Mayor, Silverheart, that can pay 1 red and fight, kill other creatures. And Kiki Jiki, and Phyrexian Metamorph can copy Nightfall Predator, and not be flipped back, because metamorph, tokens, can't be flipped, transformed back, as I read that in the rules.

All those things make Daybreak Ranger such a bomb, that if I take out for Loxodon Smiter, how am I going to be able to semi consistently destroy, remove big 8/8 creatures, opponents may throw at me turns 3 to 9?

My friend said that if an opponent makes me discard Loxodon, I can put him into play, before it's even my first turn, if I am second to go . But how often will that happen?

I don't think that would happen, or would be extremely rare to happen. So because of that Loxodon likely drops turn 2,3 in this deck, and altho when I play tested Loxodon in the deck, and dropped Loxodon before Ranger, when I had the choice, Ranger almost always outperformed Loxodon, by, after turns 4,5,6, while Loxodon was only better during turns 2,3 , sometimes turn 4.

It could be a toss up, between Ranger, Loxodon, but I think Daybreak Ranger, is just barely by skin of teeth, the better fit for the deck.

But what do any of ya all think is the better fit for the deck, and why? Loxodon Smiter? Or Daybreak Ranger?

Also Huntmaster better than Loxodon Smiter. Eternal Witness is better as it can be part of win con, graveyard recursion. Mayor is my only 2 Cmc drop and needed to consistently drop a creature on turn 2. And Mayor pumps, makes tokens, better than Loxodon.

Phrexian Metamorph better than loxodon, copies Emrakul Aeons Torn, and Blightsteel, my own stuff, combo copies with most creatures in deck, better than Loxodon.

Kiki Jiki, Restoration Angel, is better than Loxodon Smiter.

Wolfir Silverheart is better.

Dual Casting better

Chord of Calling better

Dromoka Command better

Blasphemous Act better

Moonmist just barely better.

Just no room, as everything needed, better, except maybe Daybreak Ranger, Moonmist, which I think are, is the better fits for the deck over Loxodon Smiter.

Ok after play testing changes, the deck works great. But I think I may have been wrong about cutting, turning the 2 Moonmist, into adding 2 Loxodon Smiters.

When I cut the Mayor of Avabruck from 3 down to 2, altho it still worked ok, with 2 Mayor's, 2 Moonmist, 2 Daybreak Rangers, 2 Huntmasters, the Moonmist was coming out at the same time as werewolves to transform them. The Moonmist was coming out at the same time as the werewolves, to transform the, when it was 3 mayors, instead of 2 mayors. But now with 2 Mayor's instead of 3, the 2 moonmist just isn't coming out at the same time as werewolves to transform them to justify them in the deck, and with only 6 werewolves, 2 of each 3 different werewolves, there not not werewolves coming out often, early enough to justify 3,4 moonmist, nor is there room for 3,4 moonmist.

so because of that taking the 2 moonmist out, and in go the 2 Loxodon Smiters.

Lol, I know I said the deck is pretty close to dpne, but had to replace 2 Catch/Release with 2 Zealous Conscripts

Sideboard update: Replaced Ghost Quarters with Revoke Existence, because replaced Catch/Release, with Zealous Conscripts.

Thanks for your comment. You would be right that the mana would be rough, if didn't have the mana washing lands, dual lands, Birds. So far in playtesting sample hands, proxied up version of the deck, there is only mana problems, about 3 to 6% of the time. Only about 1 game out of 13, do I have problems with getting Chord 3 green, and Kiki's 3 red out.

Also your right about Daybreak Ranger, in that if players don't play creature decks with either lots of small to mid range creatures, or mid range to big creatures, he loses his value a little bit, as his value is removing non indestructible creatures. That said, he also can be pumped up big, can hurt control decks, if they don't succeed in counterspelling, removing him. Also I have playtested, experimented with having him in, out of the deck, and there have been times, where I have had him out of deck, been up against a creature deck, and wished I had a Nightfall Predator, to deal with a creature, and lost a game, because had 1 less way to deal with a creature. That said, he, an Loxodon, are probably my most questionable creatures.

As to graveyard hate, I don't main deck graveyard hate. But sideboard Rest in Peace, and Spell Burst to deal with graveyards. Also another reason for that, is use Eternal Witness to use my own graveyard, so have to be careful not to shut down own graveyard with graveyard hate.

Also your right that Land Destruction could be a problem, hence why I have Spell Burst Sideboarded, to counterspell land destruction. Also if I get Birds of Paradise out turn 1, and Loxodon Boros, Turn 2, an or if don't start destroying my land until turn 2 If I go first, or turn 3 regardless of whether go first, then I can get out Loxodon, Boros, Ranger, Frontline Medic, Mayor, out turns 2,3,4, and probably mash the land destruction deck, because most land destruction decks don't have very many creatures in the deck.

But Land Destruction could be a problem, But can't beat everything, also usually players don't run land destruction, because it's a rogue, tier 1.5, 2, 2.5 deck, that players will sideboard to shut down. And Land Destruction usually doesn't win tournaments, and only win about 49% of their games at best. Which is a reason why most don't play land destruction.

Ah sorry i missed teh RIP in the side, yep that should about cover the deck! I cant give you any advice byond this and it sounds like you have tested the mach up extesively. :D

I mean yeh, It doesnt have the value of being thoughtseize proof or counterproof, but he seems solid. That beeing said he doesnt see that much play as far as i know so if he works that would be awesome.....Most of my decks are trash though....

Yeah, also thoughtseize, counterspell, rarely, uncommonly get played before turn 2, which is when Loxodon, Thoctar, would Ideally drop, before get countered, thoughtseized.

Some of your so called trash as you put it decks, have good concepts, and can be fixed, by making slight, tweaks, changes, with the right card, cards, and by putting the right card, cards in your Side Board, and in how play the deck, how, what side board in, out.

The only problem with that, is the time, money, trading, etc, needed to fix, which while doable over time, is easier said then done.

Just so you know you cant play this deck in modern with twin. The combo was deemed too easy to use and was banned at the start of this year in modern.

Other cards that were banned recenely.

birthing pod
eye of ugin

The fact that this deck runs fine a full playset over 60 reeally shocks me though, most of the time whenever i put in any extra cards into my decks i can feel the watering down..

Are you sure it's banned, maybe you misheard, misread, misunderstood. I clicked on the link, and it says it's legal in Modern. I will also check Tapped TO site, and the Gatherer, and MTG Salvation, on its legality. If it's illegal, I will remove the card from deck.

As to more then 60 cards. 65, under 65 is ok in limited situations, depending on the situation, deck, etc. To use more then 60 cards, you have to do the following:

Use EDH commander deck building techniques:

1.If you have 8 creature removal cards, that have extremely close CMC mana cost, extremely close, same removal method, but each have different names, then what does it matter if you have 8 such creature removal cards, and only 1 of each. It don't matter. That's what it means to use a CARD CATEGORY like REMOVAL for example. If have have enough cards in the card category say 6, 10, 14, for example, then won't be hurt in a EDH commander deck, and a modern, standard deck over 60 cards.

2. The principle of it doesn't matter what comes out because whatever comes out is likely to screw your opponent. That principle is used in EDH, commander, and can be used in a 60 to 67 card deck in Modern Standard.

3. Using interchangeable combo pieces, with synergies, to where it almost doesn't matter what comes out. Related to point 2 above.

4. Using search your library Tutor Cards, Fetch Lands, draw cards, scry, etc to increase odds of getting cards out.

5. Using right mana Ratio percentages, numbers, lands. In a 60 card deck, 22, 23,24 land. 23,24 land 61 cards, 23,24 lands in 62 cards, 24 lands in 63 cards, 24,25 lands in 64 cards, 25,26 lands in 65 cards, 26,27 lands in 66 cards, 27, 28 lands in 67 cards.

If use 67 or less cards, and follow all of the above 4 points, 1 can build a good modern, standard deck with more then 60 cards in it, and not have it be too inconsistent, watered down etc.

Also I once built a blue, black, green, EDH, commander deck with 99 cards, 1 deck commander with 34,35,36 land that cost about $300 to $900 plus trading to build it, that won about 49% if it's games against normal 60 card modern, standard decks, at local game stores, before it was stolen (:-(), that was built using the deck building principles I outlined above.

I checked the Gatherer, and your right that Splinter Twin is banned. Wonder why it's not listed as banned here? Thanks for the comment pointing it out.

Ok, deck legal again, and replaced 2 Splinter Twin with 2 Iroas God of Victory to help out the 2 Frontline Medic with protection of creatures, and to make creatures Unblockable except by 2 or more creatures, and because there is plenty enough devotion to red, white from Reckoner, and Kiki, Jiki, other sources, and because mana base, ok, good, solid, and because it's a 7/4 for 4 CMC, drop on turn 3, and can pump it up to a 12/9 thru Silverheart Dromoka, that can fight target creature.

Iroas is way to undertratted and i think could do work in this deck! Let me know how testing goes!

Also in notes to testing do you test against your local meta decks, or do you proxi the dominat lists for the most powerfull archtypes and fight them?

Ie, affinty, grixis delver, toot and nail, kund, goblins, boros sisters/boros humans.

Edit:- If all goes well this really does seem like the kind of deck id like to play... even if i do hate going over 60

Well anyone could run a slight different version of the deck. They could cut Iroas, or Thragtusk, or Thoctar, and go down to 61 cards 23 lands and the deck would still work just fine.

As far as Iroas, I have noticed that he only works in a extremely high creature count deck like this, so that if devotion not hit, it still doesn't matter, or straight red, right Boros decks.

As far as play testing goes, the way I play test, is 1. Start with 50 to 5000, sample hands on the sample hand thing here.

2. Then I proxy up the deck list, against my friends Leo, Joel, Jarret. Leo is 1,of the top players in the area. He is a card game genius. He has about 15 to 30 various Modern, Standard semi tournament decks that he plays at FNM, local city, conventional, like Spokane Convention, MTG tournaments, FNM's. He has also retired from the Yugi Oh tournament scene, where he DOMINATED. His local competition at FNM'S comprise 3 to 9 players in 29 to 59 player tournaments, FNM's, that also play in MTG PTQ's(pro tour qualifier's), Grand Prix's, and yet despite that he still finishes between 2nd at highest, to about 11th at lowest, out of 29 to 59 players, that include the best players ( I would say our local FNM scene, players, is probably one of the toughest, hardest in the country, and only beat out by places like Seattle the HQ of MTG). Not saying that to brag, but when, after playing testing against various decks of leo's, and doing pretty good, that means, counts for something. He Leo likes the deck, and has made suggestions for the deck.

If you want to proxy up the deck list, play test it, please feel free to do so, and let me know the results, but only go by the results over a large sample size, as in the short term, decks can get lucky, unlucky, with bad, good draws.

With 8, 3 cmc creatures, and 2, 2 Cmc creatures, I can still get a turn 2 drop of either a 3 cmc, or 2 Cmc Mayor. Also with 6, 4 cmc creatures, that's 16, creatures I can get out on turns 2,3. With still only 10, 5 cmc creatures (that includes the 2 Ulrichs, that I just added), plus the 2, 6 cmc Mimic, for 12, 5,6 cmc creatures. So 16, 2,3,4 cmc(8, 3 cmc, 2, 2 cmc, 6, 4 cmc), 4 more than the 12, 4,5 cmc( 10, 5 cmc, 2, 6 cmc), so because of that the deck still gets out, creatures on turn 2,3 on at least a semi consistent basis, probably even more consistent basis then that.

So because of that adding the 2 Ulrich's shouldn't prevent creatures from coming out on turns 2,3, by the Stat comparison illustrated above, sample hand testing, etc.

But with 10, 5, 2 of's, 5 cmc's, no more room for any more 5,6,7 + cmc's, unless cut some other 5,6 cmc out. And that's not likely to happen, since the 5,6 cmcs, in the deck, are extremely awesome

Ok found a way to squeeze Thoctar back in, by running 2 Birds, and 2 Simian Spirit Guides as 4 mana ramp dorks, and adding 1 more slot to go to 64 cards, 24 lands.