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I've tried to build something which is consistent and with a minimum of creatures (not creatureless) The combo's; Bloodchief + Mindcrank = Inf Dmg, inf Mill, inf Life Gain Hym to Tourach + Extirpate = Helluva pain for your opponent Abyssal Persecutor + Sudden Spoiling = When you've beaten your opponent to a pulp, use Spoiling, targeting yourself, making Abby a uncounterable 0/2 w. no abilities whatsoever, meaning - you win :) or Abyssal Persecutor + Innocent Blood = Sacrifice makes Indestructibility uselessSign in Blood gets counters on Bloodchief or you get card advantage Temporal Extortion + Mindcrank = Insane mill and agony for opp's plus T.E. gives Bloodchief a counter Hope ya dig it :)[Edit] Hymn to Tourach is gone in favor for 4 x Cabal Ritual[Edit] More land, Cabal Ritual Gone, Sign in Blood gone, Innocent Blood gone - added 4 x Demonic Tutors and 4 x Mind Twist
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I've yet to playtest this, but soon... very soon. I'll let you know how it went - having an MTG war later this night
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It went very well. Against a mono-red burn: 5-0-0 A Elf token deck: 4-0-1 And white weenie: 4-0-1 The Sudden Spoiling saved my ass plenty a-times, and yeah, I know... Sengir's are pretty old, but very effective none the less. Mindcrank and Bloodchief Ascension were major win cons, and its infinite with Underworld Dreams in play. Also, my opponents seemed to be demoralized by UD and Mindcrank. QftNS and the Hymn's also pretty nasty ):-D Kalastria and Bloodghast fueled the Ascensions - and temporal is just plain evil ! Do you think anything could be better (in a price-friendly area)?
Oh yeah... forgot to mention Phyrexian Tower vs. Bloodghast + Highborn, nice combo !
The lake has little or no effect at all - decided to dump it along with phyrexian tower... Swamps for the win! :D
I've removed the Sengir's - In legacy play they're waaay too slow. Abyssal Persecutor seems to fit the spot nicely, and is possibly one of the "blackest" cards in MTG. With the reinstatement of 2 Phyrexian Tower you can always sac hi when its win-time. That, or use Sudden Spoiling - targeting yourself - when your opponent(s) are at zero HPs. You are welcome to leave any sorts of advice - help me make this stronger ! (within a reasonable price area) Thanks :)
Are you trying to make a deck designed with the "blackest" of black cards? The deck is pretty good now, and it has Abby, one of the more "black" cards out there, but there are many more black cards out there that are far darker =} A few that come to mind are Doomsday, Pox, Hatred, Necropotence, Lich, and Nether Void. There's more, but those are the ones that come to mind.
"...that are far darker..." sounds ominous, yet strangely intriguing :D You know that feeling you get, when your eyes land upon a card (regardless of color) and you just *know*... This. Is. The. One. From what I understand, reading comments, I need only say one word to you: "Bloodghast" That was how I felt with these :) Thanks for your comment, appreciate it :D
Extirpate?
Yeah... Extirpate. Definately Extirpate ]:-)
def need more land. i took four sample hand with 0 land. u need atleast 20 to make it run better. maybe get rid of innocent blood and you don't need Phyrexian tower
I just drew 4 sample hands, they all had mana in them? Though not enough to play anything, haha. I'll playtest it in a bit. This one has been changed from time to time, or editted if you prefer. I may have to put together to its original form and see if I remember how it fared.
Well, there are some crazy ass combos here, but, I still dont get why you have Abyssal Persecutor? U can have come better creatures instead of him...why him?? Bloodghast for example, as u already have said, THIS IS THE ONE. I guess its better than abyssal persecutor... Phylactery Lich !!!! Since you have Mindcrank,you can put the phylactery shits one them and then you will have an undistructible creature 5/5, can it be better?
Dread Slaver or Vengeful Pharaoh are nice too...
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Hiya Aliski ! Thank you for commenting on my deck, and the friendly words and advice also :-) Abyssal Persecutor is... well... Abyssal hehe. Its in here to confuse the opponent. Getting him/her to think that they *cannot* lose this game. Me (mid/lategame): Attack with 'Abby' - wanna block? Opponent: Nope, I take six more damage. Life total minus 4 Me: I cast Sudden Spoiling - Target Abyssal, making him 0/2 with NO abilities. I win Opponent: Wait! In response to Sudden Spoi... Oh... damn... I haven't heard of Vengeful Pharaoh before - that card is insane! Nice catch, Aliski :D Phylactery Lich is also awesome, but there are a few ways of dealing with it, it can still be sacrificed ;) But you're right, he is very cool. Sure, I'll take a look at your decks :) I think I've already commented on your zombies BRAIN-EATERS ! I see you have quite a few new cards in there, looks awesome man!
while i am a huge fan of abyssal persecutor, maybe phyrexain obliterator might be better? also temperal extortion really isnt that great. even in a aggro deck that can really capitalize on either scenerio, it just.. never seems to do really what you want out of it. iv tried it a bunch in a few decks iv built in the past and it never really worked out, i would drop that , and sudden spoiling is horrible.. seriously. anything from ghastly demise/ wretched banquet to damnation, would be better than that/ / / hymn is great extirpate is great but i might go for some selective discard like thoughtsieze, inquisition, or duress to slow down your opponent while you combo off, and also really helps the match against opposing combo decks, and adds to the synergy with extirpate. obviously surgical extraction is another extirpate. the only other thing i see that might slow you down is a low number of ways to actually get bloodchief counters.
Thanks for the advice, Alleyway :D I'll seriously do some hard thinking about getting faster counters on Bloodchief. Temporal Extortion and Sudden Spoiling has actually worked well for me, and they're apart of combo's + solid defense - however the deck ifself isn't as consistent as wanted. I'll try to make it better :)
Although I think it'll end up being a whole other deck, than originally intended. What your opinion of non-4-off?
i really think obilerator would be badass in this deck if you can afford it. maybe even play him and abby. you could drop 2 temporal extortion and play 3 obliterator, 3 abby. or just drop temporal extortion all together for obliterators.
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I would cut the persecutor with something less aggressive oriented and has more synergy in your deck, like Bloodgift demon or Seizan, perverter of truths. Even Nefarox, overlord of grixis would work better than the persecutor.
Bloodgift Demon is flat out right for this - thank you ! I have had him under my lens before, but back then he seemed to just not fit. I see now that he'd fit in instead of Abby :) Thank you Boris :D
Hiya Boris - I made another deck, wherein Bloodgift Demon fits to a T =) Its called 'Howling Dreams' and focus immense draw power, both good and extremely bad for your opponents
I totaly dig it! Nice combo! Got something new to show to my friends!
Thank you so much =D I was thinking of making a updated version of this adding 4 x Infest - that and Sudden Spoiling, which I have a PS of, can make a board sweeper. What do think?
Heppa... I just played against a Red Burn deck.. and lost soooo bad. But! I switched 'Hymn to Tourach' with Cabal Ritual and by god it speeded it up =-0 First I lost 4 rounds... 4!! Now I'm sitting 8 - 0 - 4 Nice !
After some tests, it proved to be in mana shortage, so my wife helped me with a few modifications (she abliged, because the tutors are proxies - and I had the oher cards already) and now its twice as fast, if not thrice - its a brute !
nice deck! i love this one (i'm a big fan of mono black deck). I have a question for you: lake of the dead...i would love to love this card, but i'm always afraid. Is this a card worth playing with? Did it cost you many games? or instead, gave them all to you?P.S. you are aware that demonic tutor is restricted in every legal format?
Thank you, Kalmah123 =)Lake of the Dead is, now a-days, a heavily meta card, meaning, does your playgroup carry tremendous amounts of nonbasic land-hate, such as 'Price of Progress' or 'Wasteland' etc. I did use it in a homebrew I threw together, but it kept being 'Wasteland'ed' or returned to my hand, which meant a sac'ed swamp for nothing.Although {B}{B}{B}{B} is an insane amount of mana, and could alone swing the game, I´d be careful to play it.It is however extremely useful, if you know your opponents decks non-packed with land hate, then, and I´ll go to great lengths to say, and only then should you play it.It can also be used if you have a 'Crucible of Worlds' in play, but they are expensive, both Mana-wise and money-wise.The tutor´s are sadly not legal as a x4 in any Format - it is also a bit unfair. I think to avoid further confusion, I´ll tag this as casual, thank you for pointing that out, dude =)
ok! thanks for the tips for lake of the dead! i'll keep that in mind ;)