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Blue/Black Standard Sacrifice and Return to Hand Deck.I nicknamed this deck Dimir Snowball because it's U/B and under the right circumstances the momentum of this deck can snowball into a force to be reckoned with. The cards that cause this effect are Nightveil Specter and Bident of Thassa.This deck has placed second or third in several FNMs, so I'm pretty happy with its performance. However, any advice is welcome. Thanks for looking at my deck.
Make them sacrifice creatures you can't deal with. Return creatures to their hand if you need to stall or temporarily get rid of threats. Counter their strong instants and sorceries. Attack unopposed, because even if they do have a creature it will be unlikely to be able to block your fliers.Important Notes: Bident of Thassa makes it much easier to race opponents due to card advantage. The swans can be easily killed thanks to all of the fliers in this deck. Biomass Mutation is in the deck to speed up its damage output, because I've found that it can take a while to win otherwise.
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use black spells that give minuses to the power/toughness (there are many to choose from) wring flesh and bile blight for example, then get call to mind or mnemonic walls to get back those spells (call to mind is in extended, sadly). That can keep the board clear as well. plus you could lose some of the expensive stuff (money and mana). Anyways that is good if you want to build the same on the cheap, which is the name of my game. I have been trying something similar using black/red (board clearing for my attacks) and I have been trying out flying only mono blue and blue/green. It works but it just isn't that fun as you would think it would be.
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Thank you for the suggestions. I added them to the sideboard until I can play test them. I certainly noticed that this strategy is challenging to play. It's hard to keep up with opponents' creatures.
I'm thinking of making the following changes. What are your thoughts?- 2 Vile Rebirth &- 2 Shipwreck Singer FOR+ 4 Hypnotic Siren- 4 Shrike Harpy FOR+ 2 more Bident of Thassa+ 2 Mnemonic Wall
well with the new set out things have changed a little. the shorestalker and drown in sorrow is not really for this deck. Far/away is a nice touch. the hypnotic siren is so expensive that i doubt you will be able to use it. so I'm not really sure. stay with the harpy or siren of the fanged coast or both. i would try switching swan song out with 4 bile blights (or 2 and 2) and shipwreck singer with the mnemonic wall. the 2 harpies and 2 siren of the fanged coast. and myself and this is just me..... lose the bidents and get 4 vile rebirths. I really hate those legendary weapons and refuse to use them. advice on playing. watch your opponent. you can't get to hasty and want to play things every turn. you kind of have to wait to let your opponent move. stay on them and take out there creatures first. spend more of your first few turns doing that and less time dropping your own creatures. us vile rebirth on their fallen, that can keep you with a defense. when they get top decking or stalled, then you can drop some of your good stuff. wait, watch, be patient and keep the pressure on them and you will do fine. these decks are kind of versatile so you can switch out the spells as you like and it should still do fine.
Exchanging Bidents for Vile Rebirths is somewhere along the lines of taking the engine out of a car and putting some used tires under the hood instead. Vile Rebirth on principle is very good as a 2/2 for B, but a 2/2 is only effective at applying early pressure and should be able to be played the first or second turn. As you said, Duress is better than Thoughtseize in this deck, but a side consequence of that card choice is that in this deck, you will never be able to use Vile Rebirth earlier than the 3rd turn (after you Devour Flesh one of their creatures on the 2nd). Then the soonest the 2/2 can attack is the 4th turn, by which time the opponent will have probably landed something along the lines of a 5/5. The only other use of Vile Rebirth, and pretty much the only time it sees play in limited formats, is as a surprise blocker. In a deck full of removal, this is also unnecessary. It's really not a very good card.What's more, irregardless of the fact that you hate legendary weapons and refuse to play them, they are all card advantage engines, something a deck like this desperately needs. Bident of Thassa is quite good and belongs in this deck. The only thing I would swap it out for is a different card drawing spell, perhaps Opportunity or Jace's Ingenuity (which is being reprinted in M15).
This seems good, my only advice would be to have a bit more targeted removal in case they have more creatures than a few big hitters. Jund monsters comes to mind, as they could sacrifice their elvish mystics and sylvan caryatids instead of their big threats. Gild might be good in that case, or some other removal like doom blade. Also, it seems to me that swan song does not have very much synergy with the fact that you are trying to get them to sacrifice creatures, as they could just sacrifice the relatively useless token instead of something important. You could consider replacing it with some other sort of counter, but if you find that that is not a problem I would stick with it. Overall, it's a nice deck.
I have Hero's Downfall in there for spot removal now. I chose it because it also kills planeswalkers and Elspeth is everywhere nowadays. I'm alright with the resulting swans because I can kill them easily enough blocking or being blocked, especially since most decks right now run little to no flying. A nice bonus of Swan Song is that it can counter the abundant Enchantment Creatures right now and God weapons.
If you have the budget, Thoughtseize would be the very best addition to this deck and a good card to have on hand besides. Also good additions would be a couple Heralds, Bile Blights, and/or Hero's Downfall. If I were you I would go for:-1 Hypnotic Siren, -2 Biomass Mutation, -2 Swan Song, -1 Far // Away, +4 Thoughtseize, +2 Hero's Downfall
forget thoughtseize and just use duress, so you can't pop the creature you are still disrupting them, looking at their hand and not losing 2 life.
If Democidist will put in some Hero's Downfalls, that is a perfectly fine exchange. It is true that in this deck Duress is probably better. However in LITERALLY every other deck that doesn't run spot removal, bounce and sac effects Thoughtseize is much better.
true. never thought of it that way.
I added Hero's Downfall to the deck and sideboard. I really wanted to run Thoughtseize instead of Duress, but it's just too expensive. Heralds and Bile Blights are in the sideboard and would be swapped in against Elspeth in exchange for Desecration Demon and Devour Flesh.
If you are going for Dimir I stick to Mill, Control. This deck list is the the same one that I use for FNM.http://www.mtgvault.com/sluvcua/decks/dimir-mill/
What do you guys think of replacing Thassa's Rebuff with Psychic Strike in the sideboard of this deck? Or maybe having some of each?
Yes you get both control and the mill part of House Dimir.
Both are fairly bad. Thassa's Rebuff is better, but inconsistent. And the last thing you want is an inconsistent counterspell. As far as milling goes, the general rule is not to run it unless you are completely dedicated to it. If you divide your efforts between milling and damage, you are not doing either job as effectively as you could be. This rule is broken pretty much only by effects where your potential damage is increased by milling (like Consuming Abberation) or your milling is increased by damage (like ciphering Paranoid Delusions to something). Even then it's better to pick one and stick with it. So although Psychic Strike is a good card, Dissolve is normally slightly better unless your deck is dedicated to mill.In this deck, I'm not sure you need counterspells besides your copies of Swan Song. Any creatures are just going to get killed. One reason you may want to go in the direction of mill or counterspells though is in control mirrors. A source of repeatable mill like Ashiok could do serious work there.
The reason I asked is because I knew that Thassa's Rebuff is inconsistent, to the point of being ineffective if my opponent removes my blue creatures. I definitely planned on only sideboarding in counter spells if my opponent is playing control.I was just thinking that Psychic Strike's mill component would be a nice counter to scry. If my opponent scrys and leaves that card(s) on top of their library then it must be something they want, which means it's something worth milling. I suppose I was just split between that, Dissolve, and Thassa's Rebuff, and wanted some feedback. However now that I think of it, Dictate of Kruphix might be a good option as well since you said card advantage is more important than countering in this deck right now in standard.