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Overall this is a control deck using Notion Thief to help me draw more than I need.Your thoughts and suggestions are welcomed.
Pretty straight forward game play here. Get Notion Thief out and then start drawing cards and finding answers. Most games I win by swinging with AEtherling and Creeping Tar Pit however it is also possible to snowball with Whispering Madness and Notion Thief if Reliquary Tower is out. This is why I added in Laboratory Maniac so that I can "self mill" myself if need to.Sideboard is where I will put cards I am thinking about trying out in this deck.
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Tasigur seems strong to recurr/beat down. Might be worth a test.
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That's true. Good for a 1 or 2 of in this deck. Early game would be easy with delve and a decent beater for a 4/5.
deck needs damnation
I have been looking into getting some type of wrath effect but $30+ on that card isn't going to make me buy it. (Note: Liliana I was able to get at a low price)
what if your opponent isn't playing any draw spells? notion thief is kinda useless unless you draw some spells that make both players draw.
That is why I have other ways to either postpone the game so that I can use him or just win by dealing damage. No deck is prefect. I go into games excepting my opponent isn't going to play a single draw spell themselves.
I agree with PhyrexianPossum. It is nice though, that you have tried to plan out the game if your opponent doesn't draw cards. Something like Howling Mine would rock. Not sure if it is Modern though.
Master of the Feast works very well with notion thief. Plus you talk about a beater...5/5 flyer that with thief has no draw back for three mana.
Not saying the card is bad with thief for 3. I think I will be going with Prognostic Sphinx the scry is good and the discard is useful to feed for delve. Master is just easily removed (like most creatures).
Prog sphinx isn't a bad choice but it is 5 mana. If you can last long enough he's great.
As this is a control deck I can normally last that long to get him out. I find him very useful and even more so with Tasigur out on the field.
Master of the Feast would be really nice in this deck. Draw extra cards and a 5/5 for 3.
I do like him but I am already running less creatures for more control so I would have a hard time finding room.
Dictate of Kruphix has some nice synergy with Notion Thief. You basically draw an extra 2 cards a turn.
This is where I am thinking about removing my Vision Skeins for more recurring draw effects like Dictate.
Could you give me some feedback on this life gain deck I made yesterday? I appreciate any help I can get.http://www.mtgvault.com/inzendium/decks/so-many-lifelinks/Thank you if you do take a look
what about Dream Fracture with Notion Thief and Jace Beleren with Notion Thief.
Jace Beleren wouldn't be a bad add at all with both his draw abilities benefiting me. Dream Fracture cost 1 more then Arcane Denial and can get me three cards instead of two. However Dream is at least modern legal if I want to keep it that way.
I would prefer Condescend over Syncopate in this deck.
I will have to swap them out then. The scry 2 will be nice in the beginning.
Scry 2 with all that potential card draw couldn't hurt at any point in the game.
Sometimes it doesn't matter when I am Whispering Madness for 10 or 15 plus cards a turn. I do see your point.
I really like the use of Rune Snag over Mana Leak mid to late it's a much better draw. I think you could effectively cut 1 Drowned Catacomb for a Reliquary Tower.
Yea I was playtesting and noticed that my two drops were only 1 Rift. Also that I could use a little more control to stall. Rune Snag would be great and won't have as much of a downside if I have to discard one of them.I did have tower inoriginally but a buddy of mine suggested to try this deck without it and see how it works with deldethe delve cards. I think I might add it back in over a catacomb like you said if I just don't feel it.
Currently want to try and fit in Tasigur and Dictate of Kruphix. Any thoughts on what would be recommended?Also gonna try some play testing with Dark Deal as it is cheaper but I do lose cipher and less card draw overall.
Master of the Feasts, is a 5/5 flyer, that lets you draw an extra card every turn, for only 3 mana
Erebos is a good draw engine. So is phyrexian arena and greed
I lose life on these. Yes they are great but not in this deck where I plan on drawing my opponents's cards.
Prosperity!Consecrated Sphinx, but I think thief negates its ability
To bad that it isn't modern legal. Otherwise it be a good mana sink.
I'm not giving up.Jace's Archivist
Haha keep trying, I don't mind.I have tried Jace's Archivist but the problem is that I have to wait a whole turn for him to activate.
font of mythos, remand, cryptic command, elixer of imortality, rite of undoing, and main board tasigur for control. This would allow you to delve away lands and things you don't want and then keep reusing the spells you do need. If your yard is too big for you to control what they choose you use your elixer after you've gotten rid of the crap you won't want to draw up and kept in your hand the choice you want them to make.Cuts maybe Dimir charm, warped physique, ashiok, vision skeins, condesend, aetherling, reliquary tower (I'd rather discard to help delve/trim fat in hand), and muzzium skin (hoping your counters/bounce would be enough protection)With the delve/tasigur really does like fetch lands do for you by helping to ensure quality card advantage, clearly the point it to exile what wont help so they have no choice but to give you what does.Its a lot of change, and more $ but just suggestions on more of a control route (at least it would work in my head who knows how it'd actually run lol)
I would add in Command if it wasn't $50 card at the moment. Some point I will get a hold of a few.
Psychosis Crawler - this may fit in, I have ran it in a few of my draw decks and works well in my play group.
I did have that in before I posted this deck but I think Chasm Skulker would be better. I am losing out on the lose 1 life each draw.
Was looking for a little more draw I can use in this deck in modern. Compulsive Research seems to fit the bill. I can use it on myself and not worry so much or with Thief out it becomes a draw three, opponent discards 1 or 2 cards.
Fact or Fiction could work.
However I can't use it on my opponents to gain advantage that way. Also isn't modern legal.
Didn't they reprint it? O well, it wouldn't work like you said. Sorry. Was throwing out ideas :)
No its fine. It gets me thinking and sometimes that leads me to finding related cards I could use instead. Thanks for the idea.
May have talked about this already but why not splash red for refourge the soul? you can scry and on oponents turn you basically just make them discard their hand after the draw lol seems VERY GOOD not to mention if you were to rift in response as well. Also with the card draw if you dropped some lands for serum visions to help fix problems early game/scry issues away later game you might be better off.
you could just play consecrated sphinx. :D
I would put compulsive research at 4 target them with notion on the field and you get them to discard 1-2 cards an you draw 3 with no penalty. Not broken at all.
I am trying to find cuts, I have a good amount of 3 and 4 drops. This just comes with deck testing more and more to find what is really needed and not. I have had a person quit cockatrice when I played compulsive on them and they couldn't draw the three cards. Pretty satisfying I would say.
Heh exactly. I haven't played this game in a long time but surely there are more cards like that. There was one where target player discarded their hand and drew 7 cards. Don't remember the name or if it was even legal but just saying that it would be nice to have yourself a duel edged sword. Oh and traumatize is an option. If you want to cut your own deck and oil with laboratory maniac faster.
You might be thinking of Reforge the Soul. Someone else also mentioned that and I might just splash the red for it because it is a good card. (I use it in a few other red decks for good draw) Otherwise Whispering Madness does work.
reforge the soul would be a good 1-or-2 of
very cool idea, although your removal and permission spells seem odd to me. I think i would want remand, cryptic command, mana leak, spell peirce,dissolve, etc. just because they are A) faster or B) have an upside. for removal i like go for the throat, doom blade, and slaughter pact. dont like laboratory maniac without some sort of way to combo him
Remand is something I want to get for a while, so that is on my to buy list. Cryptic is far too steep for me to buy right now but I am also looking to trade someone for them. I prefer Rune Snag over Mana Leak because after I use it it will feed into my next Rune Snag, also I tend to discard a lot in this deck. I also like Dream over Dissolve because of the draw and it has more synergy with Notion Thief. Spell Pierce might be a card to try out if I find myself playing against much quicker decks (which is bond to happen as I deck test more).In this deck Murderous Cuts are much more efficient than Doom Blade (can't deal with black creatures) and Go for the Throat (can't deal with artifacts, a lot of affinity and tron is being played). My graveyard gets filled early and by turn 2 or 3 I have around 4-6 cards in my graveyard already.
valid points. although after you delve for 1 murderous cut it gets harder to do for the next ones. maybe the slaughter pact. i agrre with the price on remand and cryptic, but if you can trade for them id run them
Normally I am fine with buying cards $10 or below but if possible I like to trade for them instead.
For those that want to see a version of this deck with Reforge the Soul I have put it up here http://www.mtgvault.com/rolledaone/decks/reforge-the-thief/You can comment if you would like but I am just using it so I can work on both of these and see how they run.
Liliana's Caress could prove quite useful.
Awesome deck, based on "Notion Thief".Seems like you put a lot of thought in it. Especially like the "Laboratory Maniac". Nullifies the risk of deck-out and makes an other win option :)Do all those delve cards have enough fodder to work nicely?Guess "Whispering Madness" does that?Also, how do your survive the early game? Are those black 1 drop hand controls enough to slow your opponent down?As you only have 6 creatures, what you think of board clear? "Damnation" for example (the black Wrath of God)
I made a similar version to this (IRL) with font of mythos and howling mine w/ psychosis crawler and chasm skulker, as well as leveler/laboratory maniac combo.
I have a similar deck but with leveler, laboratory maniac, chasm skulker, psychosis crawler
^ He has a similar deck IRL btw.
I would put Reliquary Tower in your deck so you won't have to discard your hand and making Whispering Madness even more powerful.