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Okay, a judge at the store i go to said a mana triggered ability is a mana ability. and i figured with the capitalization there otherwise it'd all be in caps lol

I have not yet been able to test it yet but the test draws made it look very promising

Ill be deleting it tomorrow night, gotta give it a couple days to try to get as many people t see it as possible

I might do that, I originally did red for additonal eldrazi sources incase I don't find mutavault for descendants but I can just use changeling if I go blue

That is correct it does count as casting

Niblis works if freed from the real is on it. Vigean works with axebane and at least 2 other defenders, village bell-ringer could work if you had cloudshift or ready // willing, exiled on elite arcanist. i dont see anyway with burst of strength.

That's unfortunately people, and it is a matter of preference as to what you respond to in terms of receiving criticism. And i agree a person should be told if their deck isn't good, i just prefer doing it constructively, and if they don't listen to the advice, then it's all on them, and not you.

There's honest, and there's brutally honest.

Brutally Honest (a.k.a. rude):
"This deck sucks, it would get ripped apart in any format let alone in standard"

Honest:
"You're deck needs some work, it's not really that viable in competitive play."

First one people think you're a jerk, second one people think you're a jerk but you sound like you want to help

exactly and yeah it probably will start an argument, but that's what judges are for

Both methods make people quit, but being rude and disrespectful never helps in any regard, if someone is too stubborn to admit their deck is bad, theyre going to stay that way no matter what you do, either way they're going to quit. Better to be respectful and be less likely they quit for that reason

"in response to descendants' path triggering i turn mutavault into a 2/2 creature with all creature types" just as you could naturalize an enchantment for it triggering

Yes, you activate it as an interrupt because it is a mana triggered ability

*going from the second to last line* If they've been given advice and ignore it, then get beat silly, that's when they go back and look at the advice, they;re going to still ignore the ones that are rude (as is human nature) and will go to the ones that are constructive first.

If they're going to get hurt either way, be it from being completely badgered on how bad there deck is, or from having it be beaten senseless in a game of magic, let it be the second one. That way they'll be humbled into realizing it's not good instead of being bullied to it.

That's not just it though. When people post something in a manner that seems forceful, "you have to do this", or "if you dont do this your decks sucks", when they say things in that way people will not want to listen because it's not being sent in a manner they are open to. When someone in insulting you or something you've done or built, you close off your mind to what they are saying because you become defensive over it. When things are posted in a way that is a suggestion that they have the option to take, they are open to take it because it is not something they are being made to do. If people posted their ideas in a constructive and respectful way, people would be more open-minded in general to ideas. This is very basic human psychology. Nobody likes taking orders. people want to make their own decisions when options are presented in front of them.

But that is not the point of the hot page, this is what MTG Vault said on FB when they made it:
"New homepage! When new users visit, we want to be showing off the best decks on vault, so we've come up with the new "Hot" page.

This new page has one job and that's to show the current trending decks on vault, the decks that YOU like the most right now, the decks we all want to be looking at."

The hot page is meant to be there for completed decks that don;t need anymore help. I agree thought the new page should the default or the site should let you choose which tab comes up by default for your account.

And i wasn't attempting to divert, it was just another thought that had occurred to me.

The thing is you don;t have to repost or be stern on a deck, you can just say it once and let it go, if you do it will fall off of the hot page faster because it won't remain an active deck. Aside from the issue of people being rude, the main issue appears to be the manner in which the hot page is designed.

I believe the best fix would be for decks to be posted within sub categories (aka new tabs) a Finished Deck tab, where the user is set with the way deck is and can choose to have comments on it or not, an Unfinished Deck page, a deck that is complete but is open to help, and a Page for the most popular decks in MTGVault (which is monitored to keep decks like this one off of it)

When people go onto one of my decks and literally begin to list every single card that can counter the deck (see my shadowborn nighthawk deck) that is simply being rude, elitist and condescending.

And it is not just my decks that i see it on, i see it on several of other people's decks as well and it is completely uncalled for. Despite what you seem to believe it is actually fairly easy to discern what "tone" or "attitude" a person is using in a comment based on context clues in a statement being made. Obviously a one word post like "Sucks" you are unable to tell. But when some posts "What you don't have ______? Or _____? and No _____? This deck will get ripped apart in an instant" They're not being constructive, they're being rude and putting someone down when a simple change of wording can make a huge difference in the way it is received.

The reason a lot of my decks are on the hot list is not because of how good they are or how good they could become by changing 40% of the cards, but a lot of them are because they show a unique or different aspect of the game that other players may have never seen before. Getting killed by defenders, putting 5 +1/+1 counters on each creature in an extort, mana ramping with slivers to summon eldrazi. These are ideas that many people may have never thought of before and that is the reason they like them, whether they can be improved or not.

I agree people should be open minded when it comes to advice and ideas about how to improve a deck, but if they choose not to be, leave it at that rather than continuing to try to get them to do it because it is their choice to either use advice, consider it, or ignore it.

If you see a deck that you believe is truly bad and you see how to improve it, give them the advice. If they ignore it, then remake the deck yourself using your ideas and post it. There's nothing stopping you from doing that and its probably preferred if you do so and post the link on the old deck so other players can see a "better" version, including the person who made the original deck who may see that they were wrong.

Contrary to what it seems, i don't care if my decks are on the hot list, if they are wonderful, if not oh well, i'm still going to keep posting decks based on an idea that i have had. I don't care if people have criticism for a deck, i care that if they do, at least post it in a respectful and constructive manner, and if they don't take or use the ideas you present them, leave it at that, because it's their choice. And as you stated, simply posting on the deck that "you should really make these changes" just keeps a "bad" deck on the hot list longer.

Alright, and please do let me know

Since you have mutavault, you could run descendant's path. in response to triggering descendant's path, you turn mutavault into the creature, then regardless of what creature comes up it can enter the battlefield, you could get craterhoof turn 4 for a very early trample slam

it's not wasting time, they are simply building the deck the way they want to, and even if it was wasting time, it's theirs to waste, you getting made at other people wasting their own time doesn't make sense and if you don;t want to waste your own don't, best way to do that is as i've said, leave your advice and then let them decide what to do. Even if they don't take it someone else who see's it on the deck might take it.