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A LOT OF FUCKIN COUNTERS1-You put a troll on the battlefield2-Discard a creature card (gravecrawler or slitherhead) or use scavenge on your dead slitherheadHe will become HUGE, even more huge if you have corpsejack on the battlefield...for real, he is AWESOMEYou can use hunger of the howlpack/blessings of nature on him tooThe gravecrawlers you can always cast from your cemetery to battlefield after discarding them,cause u have lotleth on battlefield..Slitherhead you can discard (+1/+1 on lotleth) and then use scavenge on him (+1/+1 on lotleth)...just amazing man...If you already have Lotleth on play-Jarad's order to pick 1 gravecrawler to your hand and one slitherhead to cemetery---Discard gravecrawler(+1/+1 on lotleth) scavenge on slitherhead (+1/+1 on lotleth) and you can bring gravecrawler from the graveyard to play for {B}Serious, this combinations are awesome hahaAnd you can always have Predator Ooze if something happens to your troll..
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Good combo with Ooze. I would, like you said on my deck, take out hydra. I'd just go ahead and put in Lambholt and just beef her up so nothing can block any creatures. Also I'd take charm out and put it in sideboard and replace it with tragic slip. That's all I can really see right now, and commenting back for you!
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I like it, only thing I would change is take out abor elf since imo hes useless here and put in rancor's for the bonus damage and trample. Rancor's with Ooze is an amazing combo as well, along with all of your counters. Very well done otherwise. Please if you get a chance check out my new Burning Mill deck: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=410041
I would drop ghoulcallers chant and add more 2 fogs,to protect your creatures..
I have thought about it, but with ghoucallers chants I can sacrifice Arbor elf,for example, then my lotleth get +1/+1 and then I use chant,bring elf back and sacrifice it again,another +1/+1 for lotleth... Or even bringing lotleth back to my hand, which is my main card...
Ok, but drop blessings of nature and add 3 rancor, it will help you with ooze and is a card that one u have it, you will have all the game..
Droped ghoulcallers and add rancor...
Love the new scavenge mechanic - nice deck here buddy! And I have got to get me some gravecrawlers Mind looking at mine? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=335590
Have you considered Increasing Savagery? That would make like... a billion counters when Corpsejack is on the field? Put it on something with trample and that's like game. If you have some time could you check out my humanimator deck? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=410664
Maybe...gonna check if it works on my deck ;P Its a little costy, but I will try
hey didnt notice til just now but u commented on my +1/+1 counter deck. u were saying i should put in 4 trolls and drop jarad and the guildmage.the reason i have the guildmage is so i dont have to wait to get my champion to be able to hit the player directly, i have jarad so i can hit with a good 1-2 punch. by that i mean attack for a decent amount and then sac off the creature. if it has a lot of counters on it, its possible to finish off the other player with that combo. the reason i ddint use the troll is because i dont use gravecrawlers, and there isnt a lot of scavegeable creatures in the deck, so i would just be giving up my creatures.
True, I guess I was thinking too much on the way my deck were built and tryied to add it to yours haha Do you have any suggestion on what I should do here?
That looks like a really good deck, but you need some more cards to keep your troll alive!
Like what? Fog,sheltering word,ranger's guile and stuff?
Like...you know he has regenerate, right?
Regenerate doesn't stop exilement
"to keep your troll alive!" I wasnt talking about exilement...
I guess this deck is done, u just need to fix your SB Like, drop 3x Strangleroot Geist 3x Champion of Lambholt 3x hydra and switch ghoulcallers chant with rancor but add one more on SB,like this: 3 chant and 1 rancor on SB 2 rancor on main deck
Hmm,yeah, I guess I'll drop the creatures..but I was thinking about ring of kalonia, SB or maybe even main..can be a substitute for rancor and he will give my green creatures +1/+1 every turn What u guys think?
Sure, u can put ring of kalonia on main board, but then you will have to choose between rancor and the blessings... In my opnion, drop the blessings add 2 rings and then u will have 5 cards that gives you trample and boost your creatures power or power and thoughness
i would drop sluiceway scorpion and a few other things like predator ooze and maybe a troll or 2. add in some farseeks or rangers path for mana ramp and move a deaths presence or 2 to main. also in a deck like this u wanna find a way to get champion in main, and to be honest gravecrawler really isnt a good fit. i think the only combo that would be good with it would be discarding it to the troll but other than that i dont see it very beneficial in this deck. how u do these things is up to u. i dont usually like to tell people how to build their decks. one more thing to consider is grim backwoods. think about this... if u have a grim backwoods out and a slitherhead on the field, your opponent attacks, u could block and before damage use the grim backwoods to pawn off the slitherhead. the damage is blocked, slitherhead is in the graveyard like u want him, and u get to draw a card.
Hmm, maybe drop sluiceway and add some deadbridge goliath???
i dont necessarily mean drop all the oozes but maybe just 1.
Looks very nice aswell (thanks for the input on mine). I personally would pick increasing savagery over Blessings of Nature :) I'm not much for the scorpion, why not use the new assassin in ravnica instead if it's death touch you want, or a couple of ooze (so you can destroy some lands or what not as well). Thats all the input I have ;)
Increasing savagery its too costy, and the scorpion is there cause he can help me with scavenge later ;P But thanks for the ideas !!!
Looks a lot like my Golgari counters deck from October http://mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=394008 Mine can take a tad longer, but it has bigger creatures (As well as lotleth) and the removal really slows opponents down. I have 3 golgari charms in the deck, and 2 abrupt decays sideboarded for enchantment removal, and several other creature removal cards. But I have to say, i do like your deck.
Definitely drop Sluiceway for a secondary baller (In case you can't get out your lotleth). What if they detention sphere your lotleth, or exile all of them? Memoricide? Then you'll have nothing, You need more than one win scenario.
Ooze is there for helping me too and I can always use the counters of the scavenge/spells on other creatures. Predator ooze is a great card, he is my secondary "baller" (idk what it means,but I guess he is) haha Along with corpsejack, all my creatures can become BIG
And this is a standard deck, they cant Memoricide on me ;P
It's fine idea when your deck spins around the Predator Ooze and Lotleth Troll while you use those Slitherheads and Dreg Manglers and things like that. Would Death's Presence have better place in deck than in sideboard? If anyone anytime would be interested, would anyone check this out? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=408866
Death's presence is a GREAT MOTHERF***** card,but it takes time to put it on the battlefield, and in a time like I could have won the game, or could put something better, dependson the situation...
I made a deck like is last month. No one said shit. It's almost the same damn thing. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=404385
You definitly need some land improving, take a look at mines.. Crypt horror is not a very good card too..There are betters for lower mana cost,like Strangleroot geist I dont like jarad either, he doenst have anything to do with counters "Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord gets +1/+1 for each creature card in your graveyard. " So, its not counters.... U wont need to use disentomb too And hydra and Death's presence make your deck slower...
O-Ring, D-Sphere, Unsummon, Azorius Charm, Dramatic Rescue, Fiend Hunter, Mutilate, Tragic Slip. So many ways to stop this deck. Unless you play against G/R, it doesn't look like a very efficient deck.
Golgari charm can destroy the enchantments, Fiend hunter can be killed, dramatic rescue will only stop it for a round and then I can start all over again, tragic slip can stop a LOT of things, not only my creatures...unsummon and azorius charm is the same as dramatic rescue.Mutilate is kind of costy and maybe cant kill my monsters... How is this deck not efficient? And, if tragic slip/mutilate is played, can't I regenerate?
You can get rid of the enchantment, but that lotleth will be back as a 2/1. So you're not winning that trade. Same goes for any exile effects. You can try regenerating a troll,from a tragic slip, but it's toughness will still be 0 until end of turn, then will be sent to graveyard after the regeneration. -1/-1 effect does that. Unsummon makes you slower, with your build it makes you even slower. I'm saying that pumping your creature takes ressources. And it takes MUCH less effort to make you start over. Your deck is fine, but not really competitive quality.
For sure will make it slower, but its not the end of the world, and about the competitive quality, Idk never played a tournament before not even FNM. Just casual and online gaming. Started playing magic in october, so I dont know about a LOT of things haha Do you have any suggestions on how to make to protect myself from this enchantments and shit?
You cannot regenerate -x/-x etc. it's ruling is similar to sacrificing. I too built a deck like this actually put it together too and soon found its way too slow and clunky to be competitive, you're basing your entire game around 1 or 2 creatures. Terminus and cards that force sacrifice such as Lilliana and barter in blood eat golgari decks. Heavy U/W control decks also tear this apart , 4 oring / 4 dspheres is all one needs to shut this deck down really. Although my version was slightly different , you have absolutely no draw power at all , meaning by turn 4 ur generally top decking the rest of the game ... It's an amazing theory deck but its just way to slow and incompetent to work trust me
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http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=390593 That's is the B/G deck I Built for tourney play , it works amazing on FNM nights but like I said its not competitive in 2k tourneys etc.. But to make urs better I'd suggest wreath of geists and ghoultree for sure
Do you have some suggestion on which cards I should add to make it draw powered? I never had anyproblem with it, but can be good have some draw cards ;P In your deck u dont have it either... I made a lot of games on cockatrice, won like 80% of them. Idk about tournament quality, probably is weak for it, but its not made for tourneys, just to play online ;D
I say take out nature's blessing and put in increasing savagery-less mana, and more counters later although without the miracle cost. also, instead of arbor elf maybe put in young wolf, hes a /1/ undying so he can be sac'd twice for ooze
I have a deck very similar to this deck and i found that increasing savagery works better than natures blessing because it hase a flashback cost. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=407941 my verson of the +1/+1 counter deck idea
I think that Nature's blessing is faster, and does almost the same thing if not used by its miracle cost than the savagery would do. So, I'm keeping the blessings Thanks for the idea anyway ;D And arbor elf is just there for mana ramp, but I'm thinking on droping it to add some farseek or something.. What you guys say? Drop arbor elf and add farseek?
My counter deck http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=312658 take are look!
Nice one, but is not standard, so Idk much about it ;P
i love ur sick idea !! :D it's like the old mirrodin, darksteel, fifth dawn era when modular worked similar :P i personaly like +1/+1 counters, but in the basic "old school" way. :P http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=411741 i made a Merfolk tribal deck, that based on +1/+1 and islanwalk. i just like old fashioned solid decks :) Great job btw, i realy like ur combo ! ;)
Haha, I made one Merfolk a while ago too gonna see yours and comment there ;D
Yeah I know my versions draw power was pretty limited aswell, I mainly used Altars Reap and Jarads Orders, but my version also had a High below turn 5 win chance. FNM Story ;) Couple weeks ago at FNM I played my G/B Zombie Troll deck, my opponent forfeited on turn 3 lol Opening hand Overgrown Tomb, Swamp, Woodland Cemetary, Lotleth Troll, Veilborn Ghoul, Veilborn Ghoul, Wreath of Geists. T-1 - Tomb tapped T-2 - (Drew a Gravecrawler) Cemetary - Lotleth Troll (They tried to pillar the troll, Discarded both ghouls and Crawler -5/4 troll) T-3 - (Drew another Wreath of Geists lol) - Played Swamp (return ghouls to hand) Discarded both Ghouls again, Played both Wreaths on the Troll -13/12 troll turn 3 lol... they just gave up. But umm as for cards I personally would add to help your deck, Im not a fan of scavenge (apart from slitherhead) I feel it costs too must for a sorcery speed ability. I "LOVE" Ghoultree you can discard him early on to feed your troll, and later cast Ghoulcallers chant to bring him back (hes a zombie too) and play him for peanuts.. boom 10/10 hit him with rancor and they concede or at the very least it takes the heat off of your troll for a bit, and If you noticed I have ONE Jarad in my deck because I dont want him early game but Ill search for Him and a tree or something mid game, Slam him in play then play the tree Only to Sac Fling it with Jarad for 10+ I also personally like Deathrite shaman in replace of Scavenge, since he can also affect your opponents graveyard. Anymore help you need just ask, Im no "Pro" but I do generally finish top 20-30 In 2k Events I enter :)
Haha, nice maaaan ;D I actually dont like scavenge that much too, I prefer spells and creatures, but scavenge fits in this deck, and there are some good cards that can I can play with And your history is whats summ up this deck, is always nice to have a great combo. This days on cockatrice I made something similar Loleth on battlefield discarded 2 slitherhead and scavenge them (troll 6/5) Then I cast corpsejack and hunger of the howlpack on troll (troll 12/11) In his turn he killed my troll My turn I drew blessings of nature, used on corpsejack (12/12) He gave up ;D
Already made this once...does no good unless you can get pass USA control and Azorius control. You need Mutilate, Golari is nice for it's multiple abilities, but the former has more potential to board wipe and allow you to stabilize with a Gravecrawler. Golari Standard: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=392317
Also, Sluice Scorpion is an over priced creature. Dump that for either Mutilate or maybe Unbreathing Horde. The other problem is you need some way to manufacture instant scavenge from your Slitherhead's, I would suggest Mulch or my favorite Grisly Salvage. Jarad's Orders is too slow and clunky for this deck. You really don't need more than 2 Corspejack's, but that's really just preference though.
Unbreathing horde is a bad card...trust me, I had on my zombie deck, its not how u expect it will work..
Mutilate wont fit in here too, is costy and I dont have many swamps... Aas for slitherhead, if you read my description u would see that I discard him to add +1/+1 for my troll and them scavenge him for my troll too Jarad's order always help me, is not slow, mutilate is slow ....
Mutilate has the same CMC as Jarad's Orders and you have plenty of swamps for what it does. Unbreathing Horde works exactly how I expect it to work, especially with Corspejack. If you run Grisly Salvage then you wouldn't need Jarad's Orders and you have the option of picking a creature or land. You, my friend, don't really want advice...instead you want people to give you praise on something that needs work to compete with the big boys. Good day sir, and good luck to you.
Great deck man! I would suggest Deathrite Shaman just because it's an extremely powerful card. I love it! Check out my deck if you have the chance: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=410630 Thanks
Awesome Deck Man! My knowledge for Golgari right now isn't good enough to give you any pointers really, but I do agree deathrite shaman is an excellent one drop :)
Deathrite shaman....What it would add to the deck? I really dont get it, if you guys could explain to me what he will help me with I can add him ...
Death rite shaman is amazing people just fail to read him fully and think about the obvious , "He uses your opponents graveyard against them ! Lol " you do not just have to exile cards from your graveyard, exile your opponents it will make them hesitant to play spells because they know it will set them back 2 life one way or another everytirn they do lol
I know he can exile cards and take 2 life from the oponents, but in this deck...he will only be here for making this, he wont contribute for the counters, maybe some defense, as u said "it will make them hesitant to play spells" but nothing sooooo good
Increasing savagery?
meh this deck is alright i guess.
Yeah, maybe u could suggest something to make it better..
i built this deck and tried it on cockatrice, lost to really really fast aggro decks, find a way to make it faster?? and comment on this please :) http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=412831
especially burn - pillar of flame and mizzium mortars -.-
You built my deck? Well, its always a pain in the ass this aggro decks, the only ones that dont suffer from this ones are the counter decks, besides that all of us have a hard time dealing with that, I guess... But I dont have such a HUGE problem with that...Most part of the games I have some creatures in my hand, so if I have loleth on battlefield I can discard some creatures and he gains more thoughness, making pillar of flame "useless"
I'm of the mind that Dreg Mangler should be prevalent in any Golgari scavenge deck. He's a three cost with haste that puts your opponent on their heels right off the bat, AND he's scavengable later in the game. That being the case, drop two arbor elves for two more Dreg Manglers. I found that Vampire Nighthawks work very effectively in conjunction with Corpsejack Menace.
Yeah, take a look at this....I got Nighthawk in the SB, but it a hell of a lot better than this trash...this dude doesn't want suggestions anyway just adoration. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=392317
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And you(Mcfly) say I dont want advices? Really..have you seen how many changes this deck made thru the last weeks? Its really fucking different and its all thanks to the ppl that help me... Poliish, I was thinking about putting nighthawk on my SB, but just for defense against flyers and stuff, do you think its necessary to put in on main?? The arbor elves or the scorpion? Which one is better to drop and add more Manglers?
Increasing Savagery is good counter stuff, too.
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Tha fuck happened to my "Likes"?
you got trolled good sir :D, only thing i hate about counters :| , one unsummon and you're going to be really sad
First off, I really like the deck! A couple of possible changes would be underworld connections (for card draw) and sb ranger's guiles for control. I'd also max the dread manglers (lose the scorpions), replace the arbor elves with deathrite shamans. These guys give your deck so many options. Fearing burn? You can make a regenerating troll bigger while gaining 2 life for 1 mana. Not bad. Fearing control? Make them lose life everytime they bounce one of your attackers (or try to if you've got guiles in hand). Also, think about putting ghost quarters in your side. Great against lots of decks but also allows you to ramp on the discarded results! Hope that helps.
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Cut your sideboard down to 15 cards. As it sits, it's not legal in tournament play unless your local shop has strange rules.
Sure..I know about legallity
Not a bad combo I run a similar deck. Check it out: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=416940
Hm. Maybe Increasing savagery? Now that gatecrash is out, you should also consider adding some blue, making it a BUG Counter abuse deck. It would be a lot of fun to play.
I'm gonna try to make one, bioshift would be very apreciated here