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looking for help with the sideboard, any other suggestions are more than welcome
my dream handt1: avacyn's pilgrimt2: o-ringt3: ajani's chosent4: o-ring exile o-ringt5: o-ring exile o-ring, o-ring comes in exile o-ring, o-ring comes into play exile o-ringt6: swing with infinite cats
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this requires 3 oblivion rings it is very unlikely with the no fetch or draw you have that you will get this as well as the cat before you are dead the idea is nice ive done similar but that used all the enchantment tutors effectively giving you 12+ o-rings
please comment with suggestions i really need the help
Ajani, Caller of the pride will get you so many cats you can overrun any deck in 1 turn (once you get it)
Thats a Cat(walk) ;DDDDDDDDDD
Your premise is good, but if you are playing a control deck or someone with supreme verdict you get board wiped and then you are left with nothing. You need something to counter their counters. You whole win condition is based off those two cards. Good idea in theory, but it looks to be easily counterable.
with indestructibility and trollhide there is a little defense against field wipes. Predator ooze is always fun to use in aura decks tho, maybe something else to consider
Combo decks are usually disrupt-able. That's their downfall.
Rootbound Defence to protect froom board wipes
your whole deck is based around getting 3 o rings out quickly. and having at least 4 mana to have ajanis chosen out. while the idea is hilariously awesome it just doesnt seem likely that you would get what you want in your hand. i would suggest finding some cards that let you look for enchantments, or draw cards, and maybe some tutors that way you have a higher likely hood of getting the right cards. and then, as macabeas has pointed out, all it takes is one board wipe and you are doomed. also in an enchantment heavy deck the ethereal armor is going to be your best friend, i would say having all 4 would be a good idea.
Still a pretty creative outside of the box idea. it will be much more possible outside of standard. bravo tho!
this is a really nice deck, the moment i saw this i fell in love with it.. this combo might get to my GW semi-ench deck but not definitely a win condition cause it takes too long to set up BUT I hate to break the fun. I just check the rulings with O.ring in gatherer.magic.com and it says: "If there are no nonland permanents on the battlefield other than an Oblivion Ring, and the card it exiled was another Oblivion Ring, casting a third Oblivion Ring will result in an involuntary infinite loop that will end the game in a draw (unless someone chooses to break it by putting another nonland permanent onto the battlefield or destroying one of the Oblivion Rings, for example)." so instead of winning, you are actually saving your opponent from losing and thus results to a draw. if you really wanna pursue this combo, you might wanna add naturalize or Ray of revelation. So once you think you have enough cats, cast naturalize on one of the rings to break the loop and shout "THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAA!" then swing with you cats next turn. **One more thing. if you like enchantments, i suggest investing with Witchstalker. its awesome, and they hate him.
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i really dont understand this ruling. as in order to play the first oblivion ring you have to have put it on something. that means that after you o ring the first o ring and start your crazy shenanigans there will be something that came back into play from the initial removal of the first o ring. so you break the infinite loop by simply o ringing the object that was originally o ringed...
You need three o-rings. You play the first one on a non land target. It is exiled o-ring 1 is in play on the battlefield. It is an enchantment it can be destroyed or targeted etc. You get o-ring two and hard cast it on o-ring 1. This exiles it and brings back the card o-ring 1 targeted. Now you have one o-ring (o-ring 2) on the battlefield and o-ring 1 in exile. You get a third o-ring (o-ring 3) you hard cast it on o-ring 2 which is on the battlefield, by doing so it becomes exiled and brings back o-ring 1 which has "When Oblivion Ring enters the battlefield, exile another target nonland permanent." Using o-ring 1 you target o-ring 3 which is currently on the battlefield. This exiles o-ring 3 and brings back o-ring 2 which you then use to exile o-ring 1 which brings back oring 3 which you use to exile o-ring 2 and it just goes on and on until you target something other than an o-ring.It doesn't really matter what the initial target for the first o-ring is. It's just a place holder till you can get the combo going. Yes it will come back. So you might want to target something you control, or something you want to temporarily remove from your opponents control.
My head hurts...
Yeah, mine too when I was figuring it out.
It's easy the loop breaks when you decide to exile the pilgrim or ajani's chosen instead of another ring, of course after creating a million cats.
I could be wrong here but there's a rule that states "421.4. If the loop contains only mandatory actions, the game ends in a draw. (See rule 102.6.)" O-Ring has mandatory clauses, now I guess you could end the loop by choosing a non O-Ring target after generating tons of tokens... hmm maybe I just answered my own question.At any rate like others have stated this is a neat idea in theory but in execution you have to have a god hand three O-rings Ajani's ChosenAvacyn's PilgrimThen a forest and a plains. Or draw those exact cards in subsequent turns. Nobody's that lucky. At least not consistently enough for this deck to be reliable. Also even if you have a lucky draw by turn two what is your O-ring targeting if your opponent only has land out? As others have said I think this deck depends upon too delicate a combo, even if you get it your opponent could throw a wrench in it. And in the time it takes to get the cards you need any opponent worth their salt should have you on the ropes or beaten.I'm relatively new to this site (a couple months) but this is the first deck I've seen that truly deserves the Unloved mark you've given it. My best advice is find another build to get jazzed about and put these cats to sleep.
that is true if you've got something else to target with o.ring :)
But if you really really want this to work I would suggest some dual lands. Running two colors in and of itself makes things more complex, especially if speed is an issue. Multi-color producing lands can help with this.
oath of the ancient wood might have a place in this deck too.
If you go bant you gain access to Detention Sphere, which allows you 8 copies of exiling to combo out with.Blue also gives you counters to protect your combo with.
Go Naya and you can add Boros Charm to counter Supreme Verdict.
not sure Detention Sphere works here because it states "and all other permanents that share a name with it." anyway if you have a sacrifice outlet for Rancor you can start being aggressive sooner. From a quick search that would rule out standard though.
it would work if u had i d sphere and 2 o rings
How about Mutavault instead of a sac outlet?
Alright, I don't want to come off the wrong way here... so I hope you take this as constructive criticism. This is probably one of the worst standard lists I've ever seen and I hope its a troll. It literally collapses to maybe 1 or 2 pieces of solid removal. Tragic slip, doom blade, searing spear. You only have 8 live threats in the deck. Literally only 8. So in an average game, you'll be lucky to have 2 by turn 5. Most decks run spot removal and instant speed removal is gonna easily two for one you. I suppose you could suit up a pilgrim... but its still bad. Why temple garden? The only tokens are cats. on turn 5, maybe 4 at best. Simple straight up better card options. Voice of resurgence > wayfaring temple. Gladecovere scout > avacyn's pilgrim or even better, instead of troll hide. Why is troll hide bad? cuz your deck is already highly mana dependent with 4 drops and o rings. Having two mana or more tied down to regen isn't gonna cut it. ethereal armor x4 > every other enchantment except maybe rancor, courage (and oring for the combo?) Side note, indestructible is BAD. You need EIGHT mana to stop sorcery-speed removal with it on your chosen. And you still die to tragic slip even with it on. Consider abundant growth. It cantrips and you are trying to do a combo requiring THREE copies out of 4. You need all the help you can get. It also makes splashing blue really easy... Bant hexproof anyone? If you put in blue, with shocklands and the suchGiest of st.traft > indestructible or collective blessing or troll hide. 4 more threats and you're on your way to winning games.Lastly, adding Detention sphere will increase the cards available to combo out with. You still need 2 rings and a sphere, but just 2 d sphere will increase your consistency 50%! In closing. I love brews. I love scrub combos lol. I'd actually enjoy playing this with the changes. I'm sorry if I came off hard, and I also understand you probably made the list based on cards you own, so I can't expect the money cards. Still, its something to build towards. LASTLY!!! FINAL TIP. Ajani's Chosen combos with MANA BLOOM. Use it! Its almost farseek but for enchantment decks. Even without the rings, you can make a cat every turn. VALUE! maybe t1 gladecover?t2 rancor + ethereal armor - 5/3 first strike hexproof trampler anyone? t3 mana bloom + abundant growth - swing for 7 lol! t4 ajani's chosent5 o ring + mana bloom actionSure, they die to the aggro before the combo happens, but at least you have a plan B if they have celestial flare.
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@benny boy you miss a very good analysis of how bad the deck is
with all the counters and tokens Doubling Season couldnt hurt
STANDARD...... I repeat. S-T-A-N-D-A-R-D. One more time, Standard. Just in case it wasn't clear, and the tag on the deck wasn't enough, I have a very strong feeling that this may be a Standard deck. Standard. Sssstandard. Sssssstaaaannnndaaaaarrrrd. Standard.
So, modern then??
HAHAHA dudeface you're awesome
Parallel Lives, then.
I suggest with all those cats you're gonna need a bigger litterbox...
Detention Sphere would work as an o-ring, an it's standard. You just need to splash blue, and that would also open up a lot of control spells to last you until your combo.
No it won't. You can't D-sphere another D-sphere. Read the card. And O ring is still in standard. Read the card.
Apply water to the burned area...
Then butthurt for at least 30 minutes.
Also, D-Sphere sounds really dirty...
HAHA you want the D hahahahaha
detention sphere at least works on o ring and o ring works on detention sphere. with one d sphere and two o rings it makes it not an infinite combo i believe though. pretty sure at one point you are detention sphere ing both o rings at once. but it still gets around 4 cats out depending on what order you do it in. it really is a decent card to add though just for the overall theme of the deck. of course seeing as this is a budget deck i would assume that most of the cards everyone has suggested (politely or otherwise) probably aren't really an option.
No you wouldn't because only one O-ring would be on the field at any given point.Play O-ringPlay D-sphere exile O-ringPlay O-ring2 exile D sphere O-ring enters and exile O-ring2D-sphere enters and exiles O-ringO-ring enters and exiles D-sphere and so on
right, not sure what i was thinking there. anyway. then why were you saying that adding d-sphere wouldn't work for the deck? maybe i'm misunderstanding what you were trying to say originally or maybe i was just distracted by the rudeness. not sure, either way i feel like d-sphere would make a good addition to the deck
Cos you want the D? hahahaha sorry couldn't resist :P
am I the only one here that feels like this is a budget deck? and also combo based? oh yeah there it is in the tags... and one more thing.. benny is right, its STANDARD :p
I am mind blown
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Does your friend want the D just like you as well? (see above posts)
sounds like it.
Oh and by the way madzyman, I've seen all your decks. They've all been done before so what does that say about you? There's an icepack in the freezer for you....
No offense, but people are allowed to use the same idea. I have one of this deck myself. If you think he purposefully copied this deck and your friend came up with the idea, get off this site.
You're better of doing White/Blue with Oblivion Ring and Detention Sphere. A deck like this:http://www.mtgvault.com/hyperventilationsystem/decks/standard-infinite-tokenslife/
Flickerwisp, Leonin Relic-Warder and Journey to Nowhere?
I'm just going to copy paste one of my previous comments so not to waste too much time - STANDARD...... I repeat. S-T-A-N-D-A-R-D. One more time, Standard. Just in case it wasn't clear, and the tag on the deck wasn't enough, I have a very strong feeling that this may be a Standard deck. Standard. Sssstandard. Sssssstaaaannnndaaaaarrrrd. Standard.
Oh yes sorry xD
:P
Bennyboy, to respond to your last argument: Detention IS in standard it was printed in return to ravnica. Also, I meant that if you have one detention spheres and two o-rings then the combo would still work.
11111111 I KNOW Detention Sphere is in standard genius... The way you wrote your comment looked like you were saying O-ring wasn't currently standard.
When it happens it's like amazing... When it doesn't I would through my hand down and say "I Fold"
after innirstrad and m13 goes away alpha authority for rancor, mysic elf or lay the land for pilgrim, and for o-ring add blue/white or blue/green land for d-sphere
This combo won't work once O-ring goes, because D-sphere can't target other D-Spheres.
You'd need two Oblivion rings and one Detention Sphere.
at least.
I might have some ideas to make this combo more consistent:Add blue to have access to detention sphere.Trackers instincts and mulch- to fill your gyCreeping renaissance, auramancer or down//dirty- to bring back the enchantmentswildwood rebirth- to bring back ajanis chosenoath of the ancient woods- can give you infinite counters with the o-ring trick
If you don't want to use Detention Sphere, what about splashing black for Diabolic Tutor?
Why? The idea is to give good advice..... Yeah let's take out one of the key cards for the combo so we can look for a card...... wow....
I thought you said previously that d-sphere was a bad idea because it couldn't target d-sphere? Jeez every time I comment , someone's always there to make me look like a retard.
I said ONLY D-sphere, you can use both lol sorry to confuse man. It can work with an O-ring, O-ring, D-sphere. Hey I supported your idea on the Shadowborn EDH deck page :P
i have thought it over and i have decided that i am going to stay w/g d-sphere just isnt worth it and i cant afford lands
Rancor some Mutavaults for added token consistency in the beginning. Tap one, Mutavault becomes a creature,Rancor it, end turn, Rancor goes to hand. Rinse, repeat. Its another bit of consistency when the main focus of the deck fails. Proxy in the Mutavault to see how it will work out.
Very nice =D
Nice Deck, I just made this one, http://www.mtgvault.com/dragon77/decks/cruel-radkos/