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Sorin's White-Black Token Deck. After Several revisions, this deck has become quite a tribute to Rob Dougherty's build. Mine features more control, which I think is a necessary revision. RECORD Week 1- Overall 1st Week 2- Overall 3rd Week 3- Overall 1st Week 4- Overall 4th
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Hey I saw you comment about the Delver deck and what I would try for the side board are the following: 2x Dismember (The more the merrier) 2x Timely Reinforcements (goes along with the "token" theme) 4x Captivating Vampire (these might be m11, but if they are in m12 you will want some) 2x Honor of the Pure (I only think you should have these because of Elspeth) 4x Stromkirk Captain (gives vampires first strike and 1+1) 1x Lillana of the Veil (A planeswalker on turn 3)
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completely agree with the dismember theory. can't ever go wrong. i've thought about timely reinforcements as well! I think the others are possibles, but I am trying to make the sideboard an answer to all of my problems. i think I will sideboard 1 sword of feast and famine as well. I am also thinking of Grave Titans and Wurmcoil Engines. Both end up producing tokens for me, so no complaints there!
Have you tried adding 2 swords of fire and ice due to the fact that way to many people like blue for standard and modern and pretty much any kind of format xP
leteor1, thanks for the input! Once the deck goes out of standard I will definitely include the sword of F and I. until then though, I am keeping it strictly standard.
I ended up using two liliana's in the sideboard, they really help this deck along actually.
Thanks for the comment on my B/W deck, Cfybbdrummer! Now I'm returning the favor :p Nice job adding 2x Liliana's; I was just about to suggest that. Also, have you looked into Glorious Anthem? On the other hand, Anthem might not be worth the extra white mana just for your Bloodline Keepers. Anyway, it was just a thought. Not many suggestions that I can think of at the moment. Seem pretty solid!
This is pretty sweet, having both Midnight Haunting and Lingering Souls (where you're able to pay the flashback)! Since you be producing tokens and killing things, have you thought about Tragic Slip? I was trying if Tragic Slip or if Dismember would be a better fit.
I originally had 3 tragic slips in the main, so it is a valid question! I will have to play test with both, and see which ends up working better. thanks for the comment!
dude i seriously like this deck, but i would add that new angel that when a non spirit dies, you put a 1/1 spirit in your side of the battle field otherwise freakin amazing!
Great idea! The only reason I am not is because every single time i draw hands and playtest, I ALWAYS get midnight haunting or lingering souls. so if I did get requiem angel, I would look stupid. haha thanks for the thoughts!
Nice deck. the only thing i think it could really use is something like Exsanguinate to deal some extra damage and gain some life.
Exsanguinate is one of my top ten cards ever in a multiplayer setting. I love it. One on one, I think it gets a little wimpier, which is why it didn't make the final cut for the deck. BUT, lemme tell you what. The second I make a chaos/casual version of this deck, you will see several! thanks for the input!
holy crap this deck is insane, if you actually have this deck in real life then you'd be set for world tournaments in my opinion. btw, thanks for the feedback on my treefolk deck :)
Hi Cfybbdrummer, In general your deck has a few too many creature cards that are 4 or casting cost. I wouldn't play with 8 creatures that are 4 or more casting cost I would make the deck alot more control and fewer high mana creatures. 4 Geth's Verdict or 4 Go for the Throat 4 Oblivion Ring 2-3 Day of Judgment 2-4 Black Sun's Zenith 4 Tragic Slip (or 2 Tragic Slip and 2 Dismembers) and maybe a mix of creatures like this 3 Liliana of the Veil 2 Gideon Jura 3 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad 4 Lingering Souls Sideboard 4 Surgical Extraction 4 Celestial Purge 4 Distress 3 ratchet bomb or timely reinforcements.
DoJ and Black sun's? sounds more damaging to this deck than an opponents
Thanks for the comment my man! in fact, I do have every single piece of this deck, and all the lands and half the nonland cards are foils. you could say I am a collector. hahaha
planestalker Ratchet bomb is definitely the missing piece to this deck, totally agreed. it would replace the grafdiggers cage in a heartbeat. And you know, I don't completely disagree with your ideas there at all. I am looking for the more beatdown approach than control, so I have a decent amount of control in the sideboard if needed. But I tend to find that I get a decent amount of time with this deck, I never feel like I forced into losing situations by turns 4-5, so I can generally get out bloodline, and he is a nasty card to deal with. thanks so much for your input, it is greatly appreciated. I may just remove grafdiggers altogether. it kind of hurts me as well. i think tragic slip will make it's way back in.
New revisions, same purpose. Thanks for all the help everyone! This deck is coming along beautifully.
Twilight drover is incredible. Uvcan make as many toKens as u want as long as they die, which is common
Nice deck :) My only suggestion is maybe Blade Splicer and possibly splash Green for Gavony Township. Great job!
but wiat, the blade splicer only works with golems... unless he splashed blue as well, to put in a xenograft.
Kazzong, bladesplicer works fine in itself. a 3/3 golem with first strike and a 1/1 human for 3 mana, thats power 4 and firststrike for 3 mana. have to be good. and i know that people usually dont count the splicer in the mana cost, because you dont wanna lose it to a block or something like that, but its still a 1/1 creature for that last 1 life your opponent have.
Otterbox, if I wasn't playing this in standard, Twilight drover would be in in a heartbeat my man. Totally agree.
I appreciate it racky54! I want to splash in green so bad. I have contemplated it several times, just for gavony.
I do Indeed Like this, it truly is a deck that makes you think.
I appreciate it ForestFire7765!! The deck came together real fast when I realized that Intangible Virtue was insanely unfair.
I agree. Killer card to build a deck around, especially maxing them out! I'm a newbie, but I can totally see the "unfairness" of which you speak. :).
tokens and living weapons fighting in perfect harmony. Need feedback thanks. Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=326067
i will as soon as I get a chance, for sure!
sick deck i would so love to have this man great job
Thanks my man, this deck is SO much fun to play. definitely my favorite build I have ever done.
This looks pretty good, I dig the build, very aggro-heavy. I think the best way for this sort of deck to run, though, is through a more control-oriented, mid-range win strategy. I absolutely love the synergy you've built for Bloodline Keeper, so much that you inspired me to make this deck (I hate to be one of those billboard douches, but at least this one is relevant to yours, considering it's my take on a deck like this!): http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=326122 I'd appreciate your feedback, mandingo. I'm thinking of running this at FNM this week. Thank you for finally giving me a reason to dust off those gorgeous Bloodline Keepers!
I will most definitely give it a look my friend! And I have heard that very same comment of making it more control oriented, which may ultimately be the case after some more playtesting. As for now, I find that the deck manages itself pretty well as an aggro, but I can sense that the sideboard and possibly main will be loading some major control soon.
Yeah, and I'm not really surprised, since decks similar to this one these days tend to perform better when some control has their back. Not that aggro can't do it alone, but in standard right now there are a lot of spells that mess up aggro decks pretty well. That's why lately I've been trying to build more flexible aggro decks that are resilient to the slew of creature-crushing shaninigans standard currently has at its disposal.
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I appreciate your comment! I have had a couple comments along the same line, but in all my playtests the mana distribution was NEVER a problem. I always felt like I was playing smoothly. Thanks though, really do love the thoughts.
Alright..... 90% of the time, I usually run my decks 20 creatures, 20 spells, and 20 lands..... I have been in my fair amount of tournaments and my decks always put up a fight..... I have faced half a million decks like yours..... token making decks with a bunch of planeswalkers..... I accel at making one color decks, so if you want a hand making your deck a single color deck..... leave me a message and I will help you out...
Very nice deck well played Sir.
Sorin, Lord of Tokenpoopen.
What is the Liliana of the Veil for?
friend Liliana is to force discard upon your opponents and also to make them sacrifice creatures see. she has a vary good reason in this deck.
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so much for that ONE like, dawg. lololololol gratz on frontpage. mah buddeh? THE_ANSWER made a tokenpoopen deck with Sorin. called it Sorin Ghostlord and hed appreciate some feedback.
The strongest deck I saw for standard yet this past month... I think 23 lands would be enough (1 less plains)... Also... "Liliana of the Vail" doesn't fit the deck... I suggest 2 Grave Titans instead of it...
I like the name U gave the deck!! :) ... Fitting...
Man, this is amazing! I've never seen a deck so good in Standard! Obviously, a deck that is Standard-worthy can't be cheap, and that's my only complaint. But really, what can you do about that? You can't have a good deck without burning a hole in your pocket. This deck has an answer to everything: Turn 1 Doomed Traveler, Dismember's and Go for the Throat's, a few Oblivion Ring's... I personally would NOT want to play against this! Something I'd suggest? Really, there's only one thing: Grave Titan in your Sideboard. If this is your actual deck and you don't have any, or you don't want to take them out of a deck of yours, then don't do it for my sake. I couldn't tell you what to take out. 1 Liliana? 1 Sword of War and Peace? The Tragic Slip's? I dunno... Regardless, great deck!
you should try increasing devotion to pump out little human tokens
To everyone who asked about why Liliana made an appearance in this sideboard: 1) Turn three powerhouse 2) A viable answer to some of those hexproof baddies that cannot be controlled otherwise. 3) The discard shuts down the opponent, while it allows me to put lingering souls in my graveyard, which is viewed as a marginal bonus. 4) I hate Thrun.
For a funny game that will leave your opponents speechless, check out my other posted deck! http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=325761
i dont know what to add or comment on man, this deck is pretty freaking awesome great deck!
This deck is really awesome. It proves that Sorin can be really powerful in standard.
Good revisions, it looks a whole lot sexier than it did before. Most sample hands look killer, the only occasional problem I see has to do with land, occasionally missing a black mana in a hand and/or draw with an otherwise great hand. Perhaps a couple of Evolving Wilds, to help thin out the deck whilst fetching you the land you need would be good to consider. I've come to respect that card as of late. Otherwise, yeah, this is a great deck, my man. I hope you kill with it come tourney time this week! Here are two other token builds I've played with in this block if you're interested in more token build ideas, both of which performed exceptionally well in tourney play: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=309766 http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=312856
NICE!!! Bet it pissed you the hell off when they banned virtue
Have to say, I hate white by itself, but I love it mixed with black.. They compliment each other so well. I really like this deck. Love the bloodline keeper. The only things I have against this deck is planeswalkers. cant stand planeswalkers. But, that is just my play style. verry good deck. :) if you are going for good token producers, you might look at the empires artifacts as well. Hey, I have several decks that I would like some feedback on, so that I can make them better. a W/U mill: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=224985 a U/G aura: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=230987 a W/B/U artifact: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=282751 a five color: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=224996 and another five color: : http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=227645
ooh, just remembered. Hour of reckoning. destroy all NON-TOKEN creatures.
White Sun's Zenith?
Mizraboy- YES! But thank goodness they only banned it in block, not in standard. whew! Kazzong- The moment this deck isn't standard, you better believe hour of reckoning will be my best friend, Darigaaz20- Hmm, you know, that might be a good add. Gotta love the cats. ****twolinecinephile- I think evolving wilds would do this deck some definite good, I will look into that.
New Update- Took out Vault of the Archangel, put in evolving wilds. Vault is too expensive to be truly worth what it does. Much better without it in the deck.
the evolving wilds fits better?
Yeah... I am not sure either is great. I would add three swamp drop the evolving wilds and one plains. Then you could add Lashwrithe +1/+1 for each swamp and pump up Lord of Lineage. I would put one in for a Ratchet Bomb and another for a Liliana
I know it would be tough but could you imagine splash blue with Frost Titan. That would lockup opposing creatures. Which helps because a token that is blocked is usually dead. This card would be good because it seems like this deck is popular. I for one am certainly going to try and build it. Great Job Cfybbdrummer
of you did that you oould put in xenograft, perhaps for vampires?
You could also add a moorland haunt or two for even more tokens.
hey, i was wondering if anyone could look at these decks please? give some feedback and and comment http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=326476 http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=285048 http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=326442
Evolving wilds actually fits incredibly well into this deck. it helps thin out the lands, because this deck does get lands fast, and after the 5th drop they definitely aren't necessary anymore. evolving wilds helps you get the land you want, when you want, and less of them to clutter your hand.
Ok. so, I guess the question was if it fits better than the vault that you took out. sorry. :)
Love the comments talking about splashing blue!! I tried to avoid blue this time around, seeing if I could make a deck that would spit in the face of delver and snapcaster. Mind you, that is a tough thing to even try to do, but hopefully this rendition is tough enough without frost titan or xenograft, which I don't really think are necessary to make this deck win. The big test with every deck is learning the hands to keep, and I know pretty confidently what hands work now.
kazzong hahaha sorry for the confusion! yes it does fit better, Vault is a great card, but unfortunately 4 mana plus tapping it, so essentially 5 mana... is too much to ask in this deck. I don't want to slow down the momentum. this deck has to move dang fast, and that ability is a little sluggish. I really appreciate your comments dude, means a lot!
ok. I see, that makes sense. :) because it takes up too much mana to be used early game, and therefore it hinders the momentum, so to speak.
yea, by turn five I am either casting a big bad bruiser, or casting something small and holding control. in either case, you don't want to set aside five mana. The Vault is dang good though, don't get me wrong!
yeah, that makes sense. great card late game, but somewhat of a hindrance early on. My problem, thinking in those terms, is that I can't seem to really make anything fast enough tohaethat problem, per say. Most of my stuff is slower, and would possibly be more suited to a strategy that would use vault. I need to work on that... :(
then you are a control player my friend! Nothing wrong with that. In fact, control decks tend to win tons of tournaments year round. Build decks that really shut your opponents down while your plans come into fruition. You can lay down those game ending cards with confidence, knowing that you have thoroughly messed up your opponent. I play the "hit my opponents so fast that they never get their feet" style. You play the "undermine my opponent until my plans are solidified".. or if you don't like control, then do a combo deck like the havengul lich, heartless summoning, priest of urabrask deck! infinite mana deck to burn your opponent. cool stuff right there. in that case your style should be the "keep myself safe and build my empire" style. This deck is beatdown, with a lot of control. It makes it so nothing gets in the way of my tokens. pure and simple. That's the best way to build a deck. If you can explain your deck in two sentences, you are on the right track.
most players are control, beatdown, or combo. I bet you are control/combo. i am beatdown, with a little control in me.
Ok. that makes sense. I am still fairly new to the game. I have been playing for about 2 and a half years, but never done anything really serious. not even FNM. (too busy.) you seem to know what you are doing really well, can you take a look at some of my decks and maybe give me a few tips on how I could improve my deck building?
I would love to. I tell you what, if you can get him to, surewhynot (that's the username) is like the deck GOD on this site. see if you can get him to look at your decks as well! love his builds. I hope he comments on this soon, he will probably tear this thing apart. haha
you have a lot, tell me which ones you want the most looked at! send me to the decks that give you trouble.
these are the ones that I woul like to have some feedback on: a WU mill: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=224985 a 5 color: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=224996 another 5 color: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=227645 a GU aura: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=230987 and a BG sac/persist: : http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=325708 again, thanks. :)
cool, I will keep that in mind, and I will try and get on his good side, so he will be willing to take a look at my humblel offerings to the game of magic. :)
I like the deck concept. do you think geist -honored monk would have a place in here? or timely reinforcements in maindeck as a 1 of?? last thought is making the removal 2 didmember and 3 tragic slip. theres SOOOO many solid picks for tragic, even at the -1 -1(birds, phantasmal image, hrave crawler, anything RDW plays, anything in tempered steel, ect) would you please have a look at my decks and see what you think? theres 2 listed ive been playing at FNM and doing very well with. tyty
you know, smn, you may be right! I will playtest a little bit more and see which one comes out on top. thanks for the comment!
made the switch, much healthier for the deck. thanks for the opinion!
Great deck. Check out my deck at: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=326437
I have to say, that WB has got to be my favorite color combination. it is fun, because they seem to contradict each other, and therfore they compliment each other really well. Gotta love how that works.
I have no advice to offer, as I just started playing Magic again after almost an 8 year break. I just wanted to say I really like the deck. Kudos.
if it wasn't standard I would say batwing brume... :(
who likes titans? what am i saying we all love titans and big creatures to smash and humiliate our opponents! :P now if your an instant and sorcery dude, this deck is not for you. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=326966 Note: Don't look at the deck? its called READ DESCRIPTION for a reason!
I have a similar deck but find running Sorin and Elspeth is uneeded. Try Hero of Bladehold and Honors along with Intangibles. Also you MUST have at least 2x stony silence in the sideboard, nothing sucks more then a racthet bomb instant pop your boards gone...
there we go. divine deflection. brand new card for damage prevention.
dragorn128 THANK YOU. that is the missing piece that this deck has desperately needed. Ratchet bomb (that isn't my own) has always been my biggest fear. making that fix immediately.
Dragorn128 I am speaking of stony silence. haha and the other cards I will definitely consider!
Dismember is still reading as 4 CMC and I don't understand why.
Its because of the phyrexian mana. MTG Vaults computer systems cant comprehend the different symbol or something. in some of my decks i have cards from mutagenic growth to birthing pod and you just have to keep it square in your mind and remember that its not right. I would post a complaint to the managers of this site if i knew how, but i dont. I dont know how easy of a fix it would be, but theres nothing we users can really do about it.
Thanks for the comments on my BG deck. As for this one of yours, I really like it. It helps that I am running something very similar! One major difference is our choices of Mikaeus. I opted for the black Mikaeus, and am running some Unburial Rites to get him out quicker. Just imagine: having a bunch of Lingering Souls pumped up on Intangible Virtues is scary enough as it is - now give them all +1/+1 and undying! Great fun, I think I'll post my brew shortly. Cheers!
he downfall with that is that even though the tokens get the undying, they can't come back. because when they enter the graveyrd, they get exiled, before the undying, or persist, would take effect.
Nice deck - yeah Stony Silence is a solid sideboard option. Considering all the small token's coming out onto the board, have you consdiered Mentor of the Meek as a card darw engine? And could you take a look at my deck? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=326866&DeckCommentID=249716
nickbooth thanks for the validation. yea something about phyrexian mana is sketch. oh well, hopefully they notice it.
DarthGrimby thanks for the comment!! Literally my original idea for this deck was, in fact, an unburial rites idea. then, I opted for token bashing. haha thanks for the input, can't wait to see the build. I love black mikaeus, and if I build a standard zombie deck, he will be in, no question.
slave, i will definitely take a look! Mentor of the Meek is a great idea, I will playtest with him, see if he works out.
anoher card that would work with the token theme is army of the damned. that would go really well.
good thought, except a little too expensive, and the tapped part sucks sometimes man!!
true. Like I said just a thought.
Gotcha my man, always do appreciate your comments. I love that spell though. if I am playing in multiplayer settings, that card usually has time to be played, and it can be very devastating!
thanks... I know that I don't really know much about deck-building yet... seeing s how I really haven't been in any really serious game settings yet. :( I have to say though, that this is really the first deck that I have really liked the planeswalkers in. I normally can't stand them. But I like them here. Do they get much use?
Yes they do, but you will find that certain ones really make the cut, while others are not so good. I would say that in standard right now, you will see a lot of liliana. liliana is the most common i see lately.
that makes sense. but, I was wondering if YOUR planeswalkers, in this deck, are useful. I guess that knowing the abilities of eaach of them, it would make sense that lilliana would be getting used a lot. although, I think that this new one that is coming out is avicyn is going to be really good. only RR to put out, and he allows you to take control of all creatures on the field until the end of the turn, which can be made permanant with sundial of the infinite. very quick...
yes. both of them are VITAL. sorin's emblem is a very unique concept, as stacking emblems can be very powerful. also his +1 ability rocks with bloodline. and finally, his ultimate is just insulting to the other player. Elspeth is one of the most powerful planeswalkers in the current format. everyone runs tokens, and she makes it worth your while. love her.
Well, I never said take out Vault of the Archangel for Evolving Wilds! Personally I'd find room for at least two as you had before. I've seen that card save numerous token decks from defeat. You are running at 40% land with tokens anyway, so it really shouldn't be detrimental to the game flow of the deck to scrap a couple basic lands for one of the best land cards currently in standard.
SO Funny you say this, I made this revision before I read the comment. I really missed the effect. haha good call my man, I read your mind.
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=327025 help me out. unlimited turns deck
Have u thought about adding hero of bladehold over the bloodline keeper. A much better four drop in my opinion.
^^^I agree with this guy, Hero of Bladehold sounds great, however it does go out of standard as soon as Return to Ravnica drops. But it'd be good for now I think. It just doesn't have the +2/+2 ability that Lord of Lineage gets, which helps the vamp tokens that Sorin LOI produces too
yeah, the hero would be good, but I think that in this deck the bloodline keeper is better, becaue, like glcollison said, it pumps up the tokens producedby sorin. In a bsed deck, the hero would be much better, but because this deck seems much more themed to vamps, it doesn't fit as well.
(revision) in a solder based deck, the hero would be better.
hey, Cfybbdrummer, I know that I keep asking and I am probably getting annoying now, but could you look at this deck and see if there is any way that I could improve it? I personally think that it is better than the comment and a half that it has gotten, and the 5 likes. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=327020
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Also, if anyone wants to, I'd really appreciate it if you'd check out my vampire deck and let me know what you think!! :) I also need some help building a sideboard for it if anyone's up to the challenge http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=327357
In response to hero of bladehold comments: I believe that it can be said that it is the better card, I do recognize that. However, I always find more value in bloodline keeper. It may just be a personal love for the card, but I tend to like it's flavor better. hero is mean, agressive, and bold, bloodline is cool and collected, then an absolute massacre. and in combo with sorin, much stronger. On a psychological note, bloodline is not viewed as heavily as a threat in a game as hero is, which keeps him alive a little longer in general. and if kept alive, yea you can remove him right when he is about to transform, but then I will just lay down another I have been holding in my hand for a very long time.
and may I add that I don't have the money.
9, 8, 12, 7, 1...that's not too bad, a little slow, but not bad. Alright, well the deck is actually quite well off at the moment. I'm unsure it will win any high tournys, but it should hold its own in most events. I would personally lose some of the token creating spells like Gather and/or Midnight in favor of some more reliable aggro such as Tormented Soul and the like. Otherwise one well placed BSZ, Ratchet, or even Elesh Norn will completely gut this deck. I say keep the Bloodlines. Those dudes are amazing and VERY underrated in my opinion. I use them in my vampire tribal deck and they're genuinely OP in the deck, but even in a deck like this they're a great choice. I see no reason for you to keep the single Evolving Wilds. It's just slowing you down man. Finally, I personally don't know if Mike is worth using...HOWEVER! I know a lot of people who swear by the dude for token spam decks, and I can see why...If left alone, he is great for tokens. There's just something about him in this deck that bugs me, but I can't put my finger on it =P
I appreciate it, and the evolving was already on it's way out, haha good call. Tormented soul might be a very good idea, now that you bring it up. I have been VERY paranoid of board clearing, I am going to take a look at that. You are right, as you said, about the mana curve being "not too bad". If I had really made this a complete tournament stomper, I would have cut the mana curve like crazy. It was more meant to be "Sorin's Fun Time Deck", which leads to being a little more expensive. THANK YOU. Someone agrees on the Bloodlines! I like their flavor, and they are quite effective, especially with Sorin. I really appreciate all your comments, I will definitely see if maybe, just maybe, I can bump this deck into a true tournament contender spot.
SPIRITS RULE! Feedback Needed thanks. Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=328344
insane! wow. this will make an impact on standard :p. check out my red aggro deck. Help is needed! thanks: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=328444
Check out my mono white tokens, havent had one problem in FNM, im actually one of the top 5 in the last month of 40+. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=322827 Also check out my other decks for ideas!
you asked for a comment, and since i never leave a deck behind without a comment as far as i have something relevant to play, you sure as **** are getting an comment. first of all, thanks for your comment on my deck, really apreciate it. second and more importantly, i love this deck. Imputs, in my experience, 20 or 19 mana in a deck is enough, perhaps you should consider taking some of the basic lands out, since i wouldnt touch the chappel, or the awesome awesome awesome vault of the archangel. if you remove those, i dont believe it will give you mana problems, and it would give you some extra room wich you could use for a falkenrath noble. the falkenrath noble would do good, paired with the vault of the archangel, like i do in my deck. just my 50 cent. my sorin deck: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=325981
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U/R Instant and Sorcery Deck Check it out. Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=326693
Have you ever considered increasing devotion (x2 probably) in sideboard. Id replace a Stony Silence and a Bloodline Keeper, 3 is good enough, and your getting more creatures anyway.
sweet deck. elspeth and sorin are among my favorite planeswalkers. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=328694
Arachnophobia at it's finest this will give you opponents the fear of spiders within minutes! Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=330832
I like it seems like an all around a good deck. I had forgot about Elspeth Tirel. Good card, will add it to a white heal deck that I have.
I like the deck. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=333126
This is my take on standard W/B token. Comments would be appreciated. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=333150
Hey man made an account on this website just to comment on this deck. I love it it goes together great I read on an earlier comment about adding a splash of green to gavony and I think that it would be in the decks best interest to have parrallel lives also double up! Also why no thraben doomsayer it would make your champion of parish unstoppable and get more tokens yeah!
ratchet bomb? terminus?
you know, I have done SEVERAL playtests now, and I came to the conclusion that spot control is far more effective than mass removal. Especially if I am going to lose six tokens in the process. Believe me, I did originally!
I agree mostly. I will say though that a mass removal is very useful if things are going fubar on you. blow up the board even the playing field. not always a good idea, but a good backup to have.
I really like the deck let me know what you think of mine its a little unorthadox but let me know what needs to be fixed http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=333895
This deck is stabil & effective! I made my version of this type of sistem, it's different from yours & I don't know if I miss something important from the sideboards, or from the main deck... It's esper-colored, but has a stabil & fast mana base, cuz' it's basically white with a little black & blue... Check it out! :)
Forgot link, sorry! :) Here it is: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=334685
I was also going to add in some Honor of the Pure to my token deck. Hero of blade holds are just to much to buy but so good in these decks!
Nice deck.. Check out this tough tribal build ..http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=333993
cool I NEED SINGLETONS for this teamwork Deck http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=333701
Hey, what happened to the bloodline keepers? Last tone I checked you had 3 and only 1 hero of bladehold. Why the switch?
the truth: I played at FNM. haha bloodline keepers are too slow, sadly. They don't have enough kick in the current format.
bummer. That sucks. they seemed so great in this deck too. so you made the switch then. oh well. does it run better now?
Yes it actually runs tons faster. Her battle cry ability ends games far faster than bloodline can.
Dang. Not to mention the tokens she puts out when she attacks.
Yes, her squad alone swings for 7 each turn. not to mention all the other tokens I have, plus all the boosts on the field.
I had forgotton about hero of bladehold. to bad it won't be standard come october. Check out my b/w token deck if you have time. comments would be appreciated.
Cfybbdrummer, I have a question for you. How well does Sorin, Lord of Innistrad work in this deck for you? I just recently got back into Magic after about an 8 year absence, and I have been working on building this deck of yours for a few weeks. Last Friday I decided to remove the one Sorin I had, and make the deck mainly white, with only a splash of black for the flashback on Lingering Souls and the activation cost on Vault of the Archangel. This last FNM went horribly for me. I lacked the early game speed only having one Champion of the Parrish, and I felt that I was hurting due to a lack of spot removal. Any suggestions? Thanks.
To answer your question: Sorin is usually the first card I sideboard out in any given situation. Make sure you run 4 champs, 4 doomed. that's the only way to make sure that this deck runs good enough. the required cards are as follows: 4 Champ, 4 Doomed, 4 Lingering, 4 Gather, 4 Intangible, 4 Honor. Everything else is purely up to you. I find that seven means of spot control is satisfactory, hence my idea of 2 Throats, 2 Banishing, and 3 Oblivion Rings. I have pondered gut shots and tragic slips on several occasions, and I think I may remove stony silence for tragic slip in the side. a much needed change, I think. I think the deck needs 2 vaults, some would argue 3. that is your choice. In a hard fought token brawl, timely reinforcements are essential, so I would highly recommend them in the sideboard. I think I actually moved some of my swords mainboard. I need to update this. thanks for the shout out. hopefully you will have better luck. It will also help to tell you that you desperately need an opening hand with either a one drop creature or the two drop gather. if you cant lay that down, you will be behind.
Okay, you can see my updated version that I actually play now at FNM. The main runs two more tragic slips, Sorin was moved to the side (sadly) and stony silence is gone. I highly recommend this variation. you will find tons of success.
Thanks for the advice! I really like the addition of the Tragic Slips. Originally, I was using them in this deck but ended up letting a buddy play them in his. I currently have Dismember x2 in there, but I think I will go back to the Tragic Slips. I don't know how I feel about the Phyrexian mana : / I have also considered Sword of Mind and Body for sideboard, what do you think about that? I don't really care for the mill, but the protection and token creation seemed attractive. I am also debating between Nevermore and Surgical Extraction. Nevermore adds to the list of enchantments, and this deck draws enough enchantment hate at times. You have also made me regret selling my Sorin lol, so now I am on a mission to trade or buy for two of him. Thanks again for your advice, it helped a lot.
I used to run dismembers, and honestly, the just aren't successful anymore. In this current mode of standard, most of the cards you want to shoot are 1/1 that become something awful. Gut shots and tragic slips are the way to go. Nevermore is fantastic, I must say. I don't run it because I don't have it, but even then, there is something I like about surgical. Can't put my finger on it. Sword of Body and Mind is steadily becoming a popular sword again, thanks to Delver. I don't run into too many delver variants at my shop, so I stick with my variant. You may need them, you may not!
I have a question, will 4x diregraf ghoul work well in substitute of 4x domed travelers? I don't have any travelers, so I'm wondering if the ghouls will suffice. I also need 3x Champ of Parish. D:
Also, it's funny, I have like a crapload of amazing mythics such as I have the 2 necessary sorins, i have 2 entreat the angels, and so on so forth. I wish I could find someone who would trade me a playset of of travelers and champions for an entreat as entreats are 25 and travelers are .25 and champs are like 6. Also, I need 2 more blade holds as I only have 1 atm.
Honestly no, Diregraf wouldn't be your best bet in that case. If you have 4 champs, or even 3 champs, your next best bet will be to go with Elite Vanguard. a playset of those is compatible. You know, two entreat the angels will be a good bet. I only have 1, so I make it work. Bladeholds you can run side or main. I personally like main, but lots of token guys will say she is better side. all up to you, hope the build works out!
well, wtf. I just pulled A Veil, a sorin, and another entreat. WHAT THE FK. No doomed Travelers? Check. No Champion of the Parish? Check. Pulled 'em in 4 packs ^.^ A playset of Cavern of Souls, not in use? check. WTF. A good thing tho is that my friend is willing to trade meh some of those travelers, so I'm definitely gonna get those. Is there any way I can incorporate those amazing cards into the deck? P.S. I have very good luck with packs. P.S.S. My friend has even better luck. He got 8 mythics in 8 packs >.>
and I def agree that Bladehold is amazing in main. I mean, wtf, in any scenario, will you sb in bladehold? The only reason that I can think of is that bladehold gives it more kick. Tha is a good thing, so I really don't agree with those tokens guys. plus, her ability is Amazing with virtue. too bad they aren't humans as that would combo great with parish. those token enthusiasts are noobs. ^.^
sorry for my english because I am italian but this deck is very very very cool but I would put mentor of the meek for drowing more card. look my deck please and give me some tips
Have you put anymore thoughts into updating this deck to reflect the current, standard environment? I would be curious to see what if anything you changed. I have been a big fan of your build for awhile now.
Hey bud, you know, I just got out of magic about a month ago.. yup, I know it's depressing. It had to happen, unfortunately. So, maybe in a couple weeks I will post an updated version, but it definitely won't be a playtested rendition. Might be fun to see what I can make of it.
cool dack buddy
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this is just like the deck i have its unloved right now u would love it check it out. someone suggested to me thoughtseize I'm thinking about it can kill combo decks but so can nevermore to me one of the most underrated SB cards ever. but you got a +1 from me