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"Protection from everything" means the following:
-- Progenitus can't be blocked.
-- Progenitus can't be enchanted or equipped.
-- Progenitus can't be the target of spells or abilities.
-- All damage that would be dealt to Progenitus is prevented.

To save your creatures, the only way i can think of is using cards like Synod Sanctum or the like, and also unsummon and the like.

[QUOTE=HeroAble]Hi. Here's my question: is there a way to save a single creature from Wrath of God (other than countering it, it's obvious). Protection from white doesn't work, shroud doesn't work, and it can't be regenerated. Is there something that makes Wrath uneffective on one single creature? Oh! And: Is Progenitus protected from Wrath of God?

Thank you for the help.[/QUOTE]

Making a creature indestructable works and there are many ways to do that.

Progenitus is not protected against wrath of god simply because protection from everything still falls under the general rules of protection which means it can't be targetted, can't be dealt damage, can't be blocked etc... but the protection rules don't protect against destruction.

Progenitus has protection from Wrath of God. Does that do anything? No.

Ghostway is nice to use when someone throws a wrath of god down. 3 mana and save all your creatures

[QUOTE=NightLoki]Progenitus has protection from Wrath of God. Does that do anything? No.[/QUOTE]

whoah, you scared me there for a sec bro :)


As for ways to make your critters indestructable, Dauntless Escort does just that.

[QUOTE=Seth]whoah, you scared me there for a sec bro :)


As for ways to make your critters indestructable, Dauntless Escort does just that.[/QUOTE]

Hey, that's one of my favourite lines! Confuses the heck out of people who don't know protection well, and if you ask me it when I'm judging I will just say yes. If you ask does Wrath of God destroy Proggy? I will also say yes.

You could also play Deathless Angel and save your most important creatures...but I love the Ghostway solution!

so that means my Phylactery Lich is wrath of god proof due to being indestructible?

Indeed. Indestructible creatures can only be dealt with by using 'Remove' or 'Exile' readings. Any 'destroy' texts will have no effect on indestructibles.

[QUOTE=zerosociety] Indestructible creatures can only be dealt with by using 'Remove' or 'Exile' readings. [/QUOTE]

..or lowering their toughness below 1

[QUOTE=Seras]..or lowering their toughness below 1[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately this is not the case. Indestructible creatures are exactly that, and cannot be removed by usual damage (otherwise what is the point of indestructible?).

EG: Stuffy Doll is on the table with a toughness of 1, your opponent throws an incinerate at him for 3 damage, reducing him to -2. Stuffy would still survive. In retrospect, you throw a shivan meteor at him for 13 damage, which then forwards to your opponent and causes 13 damage to him instead (because of stuffys other abilities). Makes way for some beautiful combo decks.

One of my own for example:

http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=80906


Normal lethal damage rules do not apply to indestructible

[QUOTE=zerosociety]EG: Stuffy Doll is on the table with a toughness of 1, your opponent throws an incinerate at him for 3 damage, reducing him to -2. [/QUOTE]

you're confusing damage with toughness reduction, these are not the same thing.

a creature does not get it's toughness reduced when it takes damage..a 1/1 creature that take 3 dmg does not become a 1/-2, it remains a 1/1 with 3 dmg on it.

reducing toughness, using a Disfigure for example, DOES indeed kill indestructible creatures as a State-Based Effect if it lowers their toughness below 1.

420.5b. A creature with toughness 0 or less is put into its owner’s graveyard. Regeneration can’t replace this event.

Yes if the creatures toughness goes below 0 from a spell its dead, if a spell destroys the creature its still alive, if its dealt lethal damage it does not die, if a 2/2 indestructible blocks a 7/7 trample the indestructible creature lives and the additional 5 damage goes through to the player unless more creatures block it

NOOB ALERT!

Can you Stifle the crap out of WoG?

hum..no??

it's a spell, not an ability.

[QUOTE=Seras]you're confusing damage with toughness reduction, these are not the same thing.

a creature does not get it's toughness reduced when it takes damage..a 1/1 creature that take 3 dmg does not become a 1/-2, it remains a 1/1 with 3 dmg on it.

reducing toughness, using a Disfigure for example, DOES indeed kill indestructible creatures as a State-Based Effect if it lowers their toughness below 1.

420.5b. A creature with toughness 0 or less is put into its owner’s graveyard. Regeneration can’t replace this event.[/QUOTE]


Yes, my apologies, I misread your original message. Indeed you're right, giving an indestructible creature a negative as an effect will destroy the creature. I was thinking you meant in the terms of causing damage to reduce it's toughness to 0 or below. In the instance of Stuffy Doll, targeting him with an effect that gave him -1/-1 would indeed destroy the creature.