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Understanding the Rules and Combat

Rules questions sometimes strike me as obvious. So here's why I think I can understand most of the rules pretty easily, and so can you. Also a little rant about misconceptions of First/Double Strike and trample.
Anyone else find rules questions obvious at times? What are your thoughts?

It's a matter of logic, really.
Once you understand that the cards do EXACTLY what they say they do, the rules become much much easier to understand. The only thing you have to remember is that some of the wording on the cards has changed over the years. Things like "Removed From Game" being renamed "Exile."

From there, once you understand EVERY step in a given turn, including everything that happens during combat, things become even more clear.

For instance: Noone seems to understand First Strike, Double Strike, and Normal Combat creatures. Once you understand that there are two portions of combat in any given attack, the rules are clear and any questions become obvious. Theres a first stike combat phase, in which First Strike and Double Strike creatures get to smack your creature around before it knows what hit it. If your creature dies, it hasn't had a chance to hit the opponents First/Double Striker. Now, if your creature survives the First strike phase, Normal Combat happens. If you were hit by a first strike creature, it doesn't hit you again when your creature hits it. Double Strike on the otherhand, will backhand you after the first strike phase while your creature is hitting it.
NO DOUBLE STRIKE DOES NOT DEAL DOUBLE DAMAGE. If it comes through to you, it hits you once. Double Strike is a Creature to Creature effect only because it determines how your creature fights another creature.

Another instance of common sense that no one seems to have: Trample DOES NOT WORK WHEN DEFENDING. Think of it like this, your creatures run across the filed (trying to hack and slash your opponent), then your opponent chooses to put a blocker up to defend himself. If your creature can trample over whatever blocks it, it still hits your opponent. However, if your opponent blocks with a trample creature, it isn't running at you, so it can't trample over your creature. Its blocking.

I don't know why this is so obvious to me and not to other players in my area
Posted 03 December 2010 at 23:56

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[QUOTE=OpinionatedDrone]NO DOUBLE STRIKE DOES NOT DEAL DOUBLE DAMAGE. If it comes through to you, it hits you once. Double Strike is a Creature to Creature effect only because it determines how your creature fights another creature.[/QUOTE]

What makes you think that?
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Posted 04 December 2010 at 02:06

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i think double strike hits twice to an opponent if the opponent did not block the creature
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Posted 04 December 2010 at 03:51

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Good rant, but you did make one error:

[QUOTE=OpinionatedDrone]NO DOUBLE STRIKE DOES NOT DEAL DOUBLE DAMAGE. If it comes through to you, it hits you once. Double Strike is a Creature to Creature effect only because it determines how your creature fights another creature.[/QUOTE]

A creature that wasn't blocked can only assign its combat damage to the defending player (or planeswalker, if that's what it's attacking). A creature with double strike assigns combat damage in both combat damage steps. So if a double striker isn't blocked, it will assign combat damage to the defending player on two separate occasions.

(this makes double strike quite nice on creatures with abilities that trigger when they damage a player, and that can get through somehow, like Hypnotic Specter or Shadowmage Infiltrator)
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Posted 04 December 2010 at 06:57

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[QUOTE=Aneximines]Good rant, but you did make one error:



A creature that wasn't blocked can only assign its combat damage to the defending player (or planeswalker, if that's what it's attacking). A creature with double strike assigns combat damage in both combat damage steps. So if a double striker isn't blocked, it will assign combat damage to the defending player on two separate occasions.

(this makes double strike quite nice on creatures with abilities that trigger when they damage a player, and that can get through somehow, like Hypnotic Specter or Shadowmage Infiltrator)[/QUOTE]

... and then theres one more thing to remember about the rules: you can always be wrong. LOL
Thanks for the info. Double strike is now twice as appealing lol
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Posted 04 December 2010 at 21:32

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theres one thing i think was not mentioned. ive heard people ask what happens after the creature dies from the first strike. he believes that the second damage goes to the player. HOWEVER that is not correct. blockers were assigned and the target of the damage was the creature and cannot redirect second damage to something else. being player planeswalker or other creature. someone described it as first strike - creature dies, second strike - slashing at the corpse. lol. if i am wrong please feel free to correct me.
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Posted 05 December 2010 at 00:24

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[QUOTE=ryan89]theres one thing i think was not mentioned. ive heard people ask what happens after the creature dies from the first strike. he believes that the second damage goes to the player. HOWEVER that is not correct. blockers were assigned and the target of the damage was the creature and cannot redirect second damage to something else. being player planeswalker or other creature. someone described it as first strike - creature dies, second strike - slashing at the corpse. lol. if i am wrong please feel free to correct me.[/QUOTE]

You're absolutely right.

...unless of course the attacking double striker also has trample; trample lets a blocked creature assign combat damage to the defending player/'walker unless there are creatures blocking it that haven't been assigned lethal damage yet, so if there are no blockers (like if they died in the first-strike Combat Damage Step), there's nothing to get the way. *Dragon Tyrant grins wickedly*
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Posted 05 December 2010 at 05:07

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