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nope, it goes to your hand

...at which point it stops to exist.


tokens follow all the same rules as regular creature and they get sent to the same zones. However, tokens cannot exist in zones other than the battlefield so they stop existing as soon as they get moved to another zone.

but they still trigger all the leaving/entering zone triggers.

To expand on that (and I'm not 100% on this, but this is how it's been ruled for me before) the token can be sent to anywhere another permanent of its type could be sent, but tokens can only exist on the battlefield. So, the moment it leaves the battlefield it ceases to exist, and it never actually arrives in it's destination.

This only matters when other triggered abilities rely upon another card arriving in another zone, such as Warped Devotion which causes a player to discard a card when a permanent is returned to their hand. Since the token never actually reaches that player's hand, they do not discard a card.

If Seras (or someone else) could confirm this, it'd be muchly appreciated.. since I'm in the process of building a bomb ass :manau::manab: control deck based around Dissipation Field and Warped Devotion and other bounce/discard spells.

[QUOTE=SavajCabbaj]So, the moment it leaves the battlefield it ceases to exist, and it never actually arrives in it's destination.[/QUOTE]

No, it ceases to exist after arriving in the new zone.

For example a destroyed creature token will trigger 'enters the graveyard' effects and a token returned to it's controller's hand would trigger warped devotion.

[QUOTE]216.3. A token in a zone other than the in-play zone ceases to exist. This is a state-based effect. (Note that a token changing zones sets off triggered abilities before the token ceases to exist.) Once a token has left play, it can't be returned to play by any means. [/QUOTE]

Ah, the last time I checked the rules about tokens, I seemed to recall reading that they could not exist anywhere but the battlefield. I don't know if the error occurred via inferring the consequences, or simply misreading them.

Thanks, that's good to know, and changes a /lot/ for how I run my decks.. especially since token engines seem to be my favorite theme.

yup, it's why Echoing Truth is the best answer to token decks =)

That and Leyline of Singularity :P

Thanks for the info! I am still learning this game so I appreciate the help!!

Mike

another thing, a token enterign the battlefield is not equivalent to casting a creature. Casting is only frm the hand. Exception would be rebound

casting is, specifically, putting a spell onto the stack. just fyi.

[QUOTE=olataro]another thing, a token enterign the battlefield is not equivalent to casting a creature. Casting is only frm the hand. Exception would be rebound[/QUOTE]

Actually, casting a spell only occurs from your hand or from exile, which isn't limited exclusively to Rebound.

Similar to how creating a token is not casting a spell, casting a copy of a spell (Pyromancer Ascension) is not casting a spell. This become significant with abilities such as Storm or which trigger when a spell is cast.

But, if an ability exiles a card and later allows you to cast it (Knowledge Pool), you are still casting that spell.

[QUOTE=SavajCabbaj]Actually, casting a spell only occurs from your hand or from exile, which isn't limited exclusively to Rebound.[/QUOTE]

Effects allowing, you can also cast spells from your library (Future Sight) and graveyard (Yawgmoth's Will).

In fact, when the rules define "casting a spell," the hand is mentioned only parenthetically:

601.2. To cast a spell is to take it from where it is (usually the hand), put it on the stack, and pay its costs, so that it will eventually resolve and have its effect. Casting a spell follows the steps listed below...