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galvinic alchemist+axebane guradian and a few other defeders=infinite mana+fireball/banefire/ devils play= kill Yes, im aware that theres no red mana in this deck, im relying on axebane guardian+ galvinich alchemist for the red mana but once i get it, if i have at least 4 defenders on the battlefeild ill get infinite mana of any color combination, with out the combo, i could care less about the red burn cards Ill take any suggestions into mind but please leave reason why i should add the card in unless its obvious, dont be afraid to leave a comment :p OH and just so you know, ive gotten multiple turn 4 wins, i can get a turn 3 win with the deck if i get the write cards in my hand also, ive only had 3 turn 3 wins out of 19 games, ive lost 1 game with this deck but i was playing a counter deck, i beat the guy after that on turn 5, the mana in this deck works fine and so does everything else so far, if you have any sugestions plz leave thm tho My cousin and I took this deck to a competition in LA, this deck WoN every battle, and no later then turn 7 either, this deck won the comp and now has a chance at a bigger competition, ill kepp it updated sands of delirium is only in here for an alternate win condition
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Tinder Wall and Gatecreeper Vine would help your mana base as well as some gate lands or M13 duals. 18 land here is too few.
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i have an infinite mana combo, the entire deck is 3 mana or less and i have defenders that add mana to my mana pool, honestly, i think im ok on mana, but thanks for ur comment, i thought about gatcreeeper vine but i will take a look at tinder wall and again, thanks for ur sugestion
i dont think ill need tinder wall either, i understand what ur suggesting, for the red mana rite? well if i have 4 cards with defender including axebane guardian and i have galvinic alchemist and its souldboud to axebane guardian, i get infinite mana in any color combination i want
Umbral Mantle is better than the alchemist. It does the same thing except it's colourless and makes the creature bigger
It's a good combo, really good, but I think Ser Shoots@You is right about not enough mana. I'd say 20 mana would be enough. Also, I'm not certain there's enough draw here. There are essentially, three pieces to this combo: the Axebane Guardian, the Galvanic Alchemist, and a burn spell. But if you don't draw one piece the whole thing becomes rather anti-climactic. If you want more draw, look to Psychic Membrane or Bonded Fetch. However, what may be even better is Drift of Phantasms. Transmute can help immensely. Of course, it may be that you have enough defenders to simply plod your way to the combo. But these are my suggestions, anyway. :P
ik the mana seems screwed up but honestly, the mana is fine, ive given it test runs, i get the 3 cards for my combo relitivley soon and most of the time i start with at least 2 of them in my hand aand i draw the 3rd soon after
this deck seems really nice i am liking it :)
thanks (: means alot, any sugestions? im tryn to get the deck a lil more noticed becuz ik it could use some work
what about the new red defender ugh cant recall the name its from RtR..... you can tap it to do a point of damage..... may be fun in here you have the axebanes for mana of any color.... may be a fun add :)
are you talking about lobber crew? i would only be able to tap it once then id have a tapped 0/4 for the rest of the game, u tap it and it deals 1 dmg to each opponent, to untap it u have to play a multicolored spell, i dont have any in this deck, maybe if i had multicolored cards id add it in, thanks for the sugestion tho, anything else? old or new?
oh poop you do have a good point...lol i am not good with defender cards i am sorry :(
its fine :p thanks for the help, maybe i can get some help from some people who do know some good defenders for this deck, im tryn to avoid red unless its for those burn cards i use to win :p
do you know any good defender decks i could look at draven?
hmmm let me look around i believe a friend of mine is running one i will get a hold of him tonight at FNM and get his deck list maybe it will help ya :)
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Wall of blossoms is a 0/4 defender that lets you draw when yiu play it for 2 mana And I do see a problem with your deck in general you haven't played much heavy removal have you I know I see axebane guardian it's dead as it hits the table it's only got diabolic uses ;P so I abrupt decay mirder dreadbore and then mizzium mortars to be sure the one drop instant that gives your creature hexproof would work
no red and you have red sun zenith, do you mean green sun ? check out these if you have a chance Red Blue Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=391591 Goblin Deck mainly Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=393095
yes, no red mana, i dont need it, i dont need the burn cards unless i get the unliited mana of ANY COLOR from axebane guardian+galvinic alchemist+3+ defenders
Seems effective, I'm just concerned with the mana base... For the past 6 years I rearly played other formats than standard, so it's hard to suggest anything... I've never made a deck like this...
i like this though i feel like u could use more of an alt win just in case. idk seems like its lacking something... hmm ever consider maybe 1 or 2 of the lightning serpent?
I love me some Red Sun's Zenith :D I like what you did here too, it tricks you opponent to letting their guard down against burn. Cards to consider are: Hover Barrier (it's 2U, so little eaiser to get out than the Wall of Air), and Manor Gargoyle (If you leave it as a defender it can't die, so less of you defense leaves do to something huge or deathtouch).
I'd also consider dropping some of the Islands for some Blue/Green or Blue/Red Dual Lands. none of the cards had an ability that was dependent on Island, and if you get rid of all of them, no more Islandwalk ;)
I like the build dude I have a defender/mill deck called Wallolololol check it out if you need some ideas
haha i already commented on tht deck :p
Gatecreeper vine, 1 and 1 green, lets you search your library for a basic land or a gate, and put it into your hand. Thin out your library a little, it's cheep, and its a defender. Tree of Redemption, 3 and 1 green. Tap it to exchange life totals with it's toughness, which is 13. It has defender. Rites of Flourishing, 2 and 1 green, draw and extra card play an extra land. Get mana out faster, and a bit of draw power. Helps your opponents too though. Asceticism, 3 and 2 green, your creatures can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control, 1 and 1 green, regenerate target creature. And Genesis Wave, x and 3 green, reveal the top x cards of your library, put any number of permanent cards with converted mana cost x or less from the cards revealed onto the battlefield, the rest into your graveyard.
A lot of these wont help with 1vs1 as far as that goes I think the only card that could help would be Gatecreeper, however your deck doesn't look to be very strong in multiplayer. For that I would recommend these other cards, and Cometstorm.
Comet Storm*
i had already considered all of those defenders and decided i didnt need them, ill look at comet storm tho, thanks for ur suggestions
comet storm is a great add in, thanks for the sugestion, the deck already ran well enough in 1 vs.1 vs.1, i got a turn 3 win with it a couple of times, using devils play :p and flashing it back
Glad I could help.
Lol, you made it to top deck with this one. Congratulations.
What about Guard Gomazoa? It's the same thing as fog bank, but costs 1 more colorless.
Ill take a look at it, out of the 11 decks ive made 4 are on top decks and 2 are a few comments away from top decks :p
Lol, nice. I doubt that many of mine will make it. A lot of them, are just me playing around with an idea, and are slapped together in like 30 min.
thats more time then what i spend making the decks :p
lol Hey check out mtgdeckbuilder.net It's a good site to test out a deck before you actually build it or buy the cards.
do you have the same user name there to?
Yes I do. 10 characters long.
ok, well i actually already had an account but i forgot the password so i just said u sugested the site to me wen i made a new account :p
heres a link to my first deck i ever made :p im still working on it, on here tht is, im not gunna change the actual deck, it was my first deck :p http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=386696
C o n t u r b a t a 10 characters long too.
lol, Didn't even think about that Daqbaker.
When you think you want to test your deck against others, try Cockatrice. It's free.
Crab umbra is something to consider, it will give you the infinite mana, plus give your defender totem armor.
thanks, i added a few in the deck(:
No problem =p
For mana purposes, I'd switch out the Wall of Air for Hover Barrier. Cost 2U and is a 0/6 flying wall. Makes you less dependent on needing two blue at the same time. Also consider Red Sun Zenith.
Yeah! Infinite Mana!
pemmin's aura maybe, its more expensive to cast but it you can have less defenders and make it work you would only need that and two defenders to get infinite mana.
thats perfect, thanks(: i added 2 into the deck, thanks
wow, i've never even thought of that combo... kudos man. this is my newest deck, all advice welcome please http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=394581
Why not through a couple of Increasing Confusion in there as well :D
lol no thx :p ill keep my creatures
I see what you mean with the infinite combos. very well done. I would definitely have something like this if it was standard.
looks like a great deck, honestly i'm fairly new but I would not want to play against this deck. My only question is how does it deal with control I see a few options you have if you have the right cards in your hand but otherwise if I just steal your infinite mana combo key cards you seem a bit boned... or am I just being a newb :)
very nice check mine out everyone please it would really help me please. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=395819
No Genesis wave?
DEATH TO ME!!!
cool deck! if you have time, please take a look at my deck. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=393486
I would add 4x breeding pool, 4x hinterland harbor and remove 4x island, 4x forest. Your mana will be more consistant. Also, I would swap out fog banks for wall of tanglecord. Just a suggestion. Please comment on mine http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=390062 Thanks!
Personally I added Ludevic's Test Subject because with the infinite mana you can use him to bring out a 13/13 relativity quickly.