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This is my hypergenesis cascade legacy deck that i've been playin with for a while. i've chosen to use only 2 of the "imba legendarys" because I think its a waste getting more than one in your hand. Consult the Necrosages is there to either: draw cards right after a hypergenesis, make your opponents discard cards before you cast hypergenesis or draw a cascade card to complete the combo. Firespout, empyrial archangel and bogardan hellkite is for facing aggro decks. Versus blue control i have the Vexing Shushers (I find it wourth the risk of cascading into them). worst case scenario in a long game vs blue control, i will just have to hard cast my hypergenesis. Angel of despair and Bogardan Hellkite is there to destroy the epic cards my opponent get into play when i play my hypergenesis The rest is just fattie's with some kind of protection, either shroud or indistructible. I espescially like the combo with Sundering Titan and Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur. first removing my opponents lands, and then reduce he's hand sice to 0. however the It That Betrays im not 100% sure about yet. When i get to attack with him+ another annihilator the result is devastating, but he gets himself easely killed or bounced. Also I have a hard time beating ppl with some kind of extraction. Any ideas? EDIT: replaced It that betrays with a Jin. (he's just better), replaced Consult the Necrosages with some spirit guides to make the deck faster
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if money isnt an issue then you should play force of will
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Good advice! Money is kind of the issue. Guess i have to save some cash. My only concern with force of will is that i won't have a blue card at hand to discard.
This deck is Modern legal, and if you'd like to keep it that way, Spell Snare is one of the best counters against Modern. If you want mirror match answers, or Living End answers in your sideboard, Nix is a great counterspell for that. If you add Force of Will, you will need to change the deck too much.
Actually, Dag, this is not modern legal. http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Resources.aspx?x=judge/resources/sfrmodern
@ dagbaker: I dont think Living End would do me any good. My main problem is ppl who removes my hypergenesis and therefore renders my deck useless. But a counter on the other hand would be nice. Im thinking like Cancel, since i cant cascade into it. Ideas?
I totally didn't realize Hypergenesis was banned in Modern...lol. Alias: Living End is one of the more popular decks in Modern, and I was just saying that Nix is awesome against it.
consider it noted :)
If you want cheap removal go for dismember, you cant cascade into it and you can play it for {1}
For removals i have 3x angel of despair 2x ulamog , 1 or 2x Bogardan hellkite and potentially 4x firespout. Usually this is enough :)
Ulamog won't destroy anything, because you aren't casting him at all...ever. Dismember is a great suggestion man.
Ah! Ur right about the ulamog! But im thinking, wouldnt it be better just adding more angel of despairs + more hellkites? Then i get a creature + removal, instead of just a removal.
It deals with the turn one and two threats for you to be able to *win* with cascade.
I'll try a few matches with dismember and see how it works! :)
I actually really don't like your deck. Your creatures are generally worse than mine, only paying one Jin is just stupid (my old list is exempt as I made it before that card was printed), and the lack of counterspells also really hurts you deck. I also dislike slowing it down by dropping SSG/ESG. I would really go with my creature assignment. The hellkite is cute, but has no protection.
Against extraction play counterspells :P But that doesn't matter as you won't see extraction if you actually use this deck competitively. Vexing Shusher is horrible in this deck. bring him in and you now have only a 50% chance of your deck working. Even if we assume you magically get off two cascades, you still have a 25% chance of failing. Really bad call. Ravenous Trap... why? It That Betrays is also a bad card here. If you don;t win the turn after you go off you are doing the wrong thing. Same with Iona
"Your creatures are generally worse than mine" agreed! i tried proxing more emrakuls/ progenitus, but just got frustraded when i drew more of the same legendary cards. With this setup i have a really big chanse of getting all my creatures out. The vexing shushers ive found works great against ppl who play heavy control decks that takes some time to work. if i cascade into it, thats fine. If i never cascade into hypergenesis i will just have to hard cast it from my hand. Also, since i play with 11 cascade cards, getting of multiple cascades is usually no problem. Hellkite has no protection: True but neither has angel of despair, Sundering Titan or Jin. Iona is there to protect them :). I agree, It that Betrays sux, im currently trying to replace him with another Jin. Im also thinking about adding more SSG/ESG. Ravenous Trap is kinda random. I just have it there because a friend of mine at my local gaming store plays Dredge, Any replacement ideas?
The reason I decided against Dread was that you can't cast it unless the opp has a creature, which isn't always the case turns 1-3 (when you want to go off). You actually run a lot more creatures than I do (5 more), which is where I put in the extra SSG/ESG. I think this reflects the fact that our decks have slightly different aims. I am perfectly happy to put only one or two creatures down, where I get the impression that you want to put down many more. All of my creatures single-handedly will win the game in a maximum of 4 turns, and most in 2 or 3. In general, I don't see your deck wining quite as fast as mine, which I suppose explains wanting more creatures. Drawing multiple Progen or Emmy doesn't upset me, as they just win. I also feel relying on Iona to protect your guys is kinda silly... odds are you don't see her in a given game. I don't like Angel or Sundering either, though Jin's ability is very close to protection, as they need to have a castible removal spell in hand to stop him. ETB effects are cute, but why bother being cute, when it can cost you games? What's the point of Firespout? What decks would you actually cast it vs? Yixlid Jailer could be used vs dredge, or any normal dredge-hate. How do you not fold to Tempo or Fish? I really rely on my counterspells in those MUs.
The plan is to use firesprout vs theese fast decks . Ive wonderd about putting in some Force of wills, but their kinda exspensive, and as of yet I have not tested it in this deck. My fear was that i had too few blue cards to discard.
Why not just be a fast deck? :P
I see your point :)
But still, you have to agree that there is a certain possibility that Hypergenesis will backfire if you have too few creatures. Lets say you do your combo in round one or 2. You get out an emrakul, but your opponent gets out 5 creatures. He's next swing could prove lethal. A well placed forced sac would also be devastating (eks. gatekeeper of malakir).
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I really like this deck, but im more a fan of your other deck. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=262954
Cascade into hyper. Classic combo that, in my opinion, is a stratgey that should overtake, say, turn 4-5 dragon storm decks if the deck is well put together, and this one you have built seems pretty well built. I was going to build one myself, but I like to stay away from buying cards online and instead buy them from my local card shop, but they only had 1 hyper, so... Anyways, nice deck. I'm a fan for sure.
Anywho, I just made myself a new deck and i was wondering if you could tell me what you think about it, or anyone else who is reading this thread. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=264063
I have to disagree on the deck being "nice"...sorry.
Ah i suppose that is true in all regards. A deck that can stomp out an opponent as soon as you get 1 little enchantment out isn't really nice at all...
You are aware Ulamong won't blow up anything like how Emurkal will not give you an extra turn because you aren't CASTING them hence their extra special cool story bro abilities won't trigger, but they are still beautiful beautiful beatsticks.
Yep i know, gotta edit that :P
Reliquary tower. Card draw. bloodbraid elf.
Being a four drop, that doesn't neccesarily cascade into another 3 mana cascade spell, BBE wouldn't be "great"
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anyone got a good counterspell alternative to force of will?
i would suggest stormtide leviathan just in case you need a way to keep them from attacking, just in case creature power wasnt enough
i've thought about stormtide leviathan myself, but that kinda screw's up my own creatures aswell since i will need islandwalk or flying to attack
Blazing Archon on the other hand is a better option