Turn Three 1 Billion Damage

Which one would you add?

I do not play Planeswalkers...but Jace, the Living Guildpact looks nice.
The -3 bounce nonland permanent looks nice with Magical Hacker.
It acts as artifact/creature/enchantment hate. Plus, I love bounce.
And his -8 ability would almost guarantee me the win, since I draw 7 cards/combo pieces.

ashiok would work pretty well here. and be on the curve as well. but he is a bit expensive in $ so I guess that you don't really need a planeswalker. I just like the idea of ulting them and then they also get more loyalty for doing so.

Well looking at this new curve might i recomend lilliana of the dark realms? Or tezzeret the seeker? Lilliana for dumb amounts of mana ramp, tezzeret to just bring out those artifacts.

drop the budget and put in jace, the mindsculptor lol

Lets not get carried away here, there is a reason i didn't fully recomend ashiok.

Well, we should merely base our decision on how cheap a planeswalker is and devastating her or his ultimate is. Jace, the Mind Sculptor will exile an entire library. Every version of Ajani will either win or make the game nigh impossible to win unless you plan on mill. Maybe infect. Of all of them, Vengeant and Caller of the Pride will trash an opponent quickly and cost the least. Vengeant = all your opponent's . Caller of the Pride = your life total in 2/2 tokens urprisingly,

Those are neither blue nor black though.

Here's the full comment, dude;

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Well, we should merely base our decision on how cheap a planeswalker is and devastating her or his ultimate is.

Let's get this straight - mos ANY planeswalker in combination with magical hacker is utterly broken and will likely win the game the turn they enter the battlefield or soon after. They will ult immediately.

Every version of Ajani will either win or make the game nigh impossible to win unless you plan on mill. Maybe infect. Of all of them, Vengeant and Caller of the Pride will trash an opponent quickly and cost the least. Vengeant = every opponent's lands are destroyed each turn. Caller of the Pride = your life total in 2/2 tokens.

Askiok is very potent. Firstly, she gains 10 loyalty and exiles everyone's hands. Ouch. Then she will proceed to play the most powerful creature turn 4, and utterly sweep the game by either continuing to exile cards or play powerful creatures for free.

Chandra is ... pretty bad in this case, surprisingly. Pyromaster is the best - she could do enough damage to kill a weakened opponent in one hit (with lava axe, no less). Plus, she rolls out turn 4.

Domri Rade will ensure your creatures are hasted, double striking, trampling monsters ... with hexproof to boot. He might just murder you, but his ult suffers from the fact that repeated uses are worthless.

Dack is incredibly powerful. True, his ult only goes of once ... but it's ridiculous! Simply pop him in a deck with multi-target burn spells and he's more powerful than Sorin! Since the emblem is his strength, killing him stops nothing once it goes off. Then, all your targeted spells steal permanents. Yikes!

Garruk is .. meh. He costs a lot. You could ramp into him ... but his ults just put creatures out. It WILL kill you quickly, but it's.just not ... soul-crushing.

Gideon Jura is okay but .... the reduced costs do jack for him. He does not have an ult!

Gideon, Champion of Justice ... wins. Hard. He enters the battlefield, murders everything, gains 15 loyalty counters, and proceeds to murder everyone. He doesn't need his first ability! When he activates his second ability, he is a 19/19. GG if you have a single 1 mana boosting spell and a land, or managed to do 1 damage to your opponent by turn 4.

Jace Beleren will kill you by mill exactly 5 turns after you have played him. Jace, Architect of Though will take the best card from each player's library and play it ... and repeat this every turn. I.e, he will take the tron's eldrazi, nab a free counterspell from the control player, take the planeswalker of the rich kid, and before he plays anything, wipe the board with a white removal spell or say ... cyclonic rift. Compared to this, the Mind Sculptor is lame. Powerful, yes, but awesome, no. Come on! Just think of how much fun it would be to try and come up with a game winning combo with one card from each opponent's library.

But I digress. More Planeswalkers!

Karn costs too much. By turn 7, virtually every other planeswalker will kill you.

Kiora gets a 9/9 kraken to attack the turn after she is summoned ... so turn 5, maybe 4.

Mr. Hammer (a.k.a. Koth) benefits you little. Basically, you have double mana from your mountains and get a ... disappointing burn spell. Really? 1 damage per mountain tapped? That's underwhelming. A freaking lava axe is more powerful, since you can copy it!

Liliana kills stuff. Except the Dark Realms variant, which gives you 4 mana per swamp. Proceed to cast [insert homicidal demon of choice here] and sweep.

Bolas does 7 damage, makes one discard 7 cards, and basically has annihilator 7. Great ... if you ever get him out! He costs 8 ... go ask Koth or Liliana of the Dark Realms for help ... but I bet they have better things to cast!

Nissa wins. Hard. She gives you ALL of your elves ... turn 4. Yup, that's right. I have 40 creatures on the field turn 4. Bet you wish you brought your board wipes! Same story with the worldwaker ... but now it's 4/4 trample creatures ... that are your lands.

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Screw it! I went on to talk about each planeswalker, but here's the short version:

Ajani, Caller of the Pride and Tibalt, the Fiend Blooded are the most potent combo partners. Ashiok and Dack are close behind.

Looking at all the planeswalkers, I consider Sorin Markov and Jace, Architect of Thought to be the most fun and resilient combo partners. Coincidentally, they are blue and black!

Very nice, HokeyPokey!!!

Must of took over an hour to write all of that, thanks for the dedication.

I added a Planeswalker that helped with removal.
He bounces.
My favorite.

I sorta wanted to keep my win condition...so they Planeswalker I picked was more of a back up plan :)

But as you have pointed out, Magical Hack and Planeswalkers are broken!

Nuff said.

I really like Architect of thought .... such a creative ultimate. If anything, at least make winning fun. I know Ajani is efficient ... but he's really not that fun to use in this case.

this is evil, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvviiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

woah. that ran off the side of the page XD

They are fun!!
The lands, I think it is Unhinged and not Unglued, are beautiful!

Thanks. I did so. :)

Thanks for the birthday wishes!
And yep, Sorin would get +7, every turn, and your opponent would never get to play.

And his -3 ability would become a +3 ability, which would charge him up to 7, right?
Brutal!!!

wow you now have walkers in 2 decks lol

Walkers with Magical Hack is brutal! How could I not?! :)

Because, KarasBeta, this deck is so badass that it broke the system!!

MTG Vault has been hacked by Magical Hacker.

Joking aside, yes, it should show up not legal in ANY format.
Has to be a glitch.

And technically, Un-Cards are legal in Un-Sets Tourney play.

Okay. Man, that would be a screwy tournament. :D And it would be cheap, too, since un-cards aren't worth a whole lot.

If he were legal, all the Planeswalkers would be even more expensive!!!

And yes, he is broken!
"Stay strong my friends!" lmao.
I laughed out loud, and my wife looked at me weird.

Hey! Tell the Phoenix that we miss her!

Double that!

She said, "Ahhh!!!"

Hmm .... I take it that's not the best of signs ....

Lol.
Doubt she has time to get back on here. :(

She's a Phoenix ... she will be back.

Of course I will :)
I see Killer Equipment and think "2 for 1"
You have a Nighthawk attached with a Sunbond.
I play Murder.

You lost 2 for 1.
2 cards for my 1 card.

However, for all the haters of equipment and "2 for 1"...what If I didn't have that Murder?
That Nighthawk/Sunbond is going to wreck havoc!!

not if my creature is hex proof lol

They would keep their Billion offense/defense, wouldn't they?!

Unhinged/glued cards are so insane!!!

Hell yes! And you would only need to use magical hacker's ability once ... so all your shenanigans cost 1 mana less!

Yes, 1 mana per infinite creature :)
Yeah, might need more Tutors for Magical Hack.
Will play test around with it, and see what happens :)

Yes.
You are right.
See my How To Play Section and Deck Description Section. I state as much.
It is my backup plan if I am getting my butt handed to me (i.e. I have low life).

If I have 7 life, Death's Shadow will come in as a 6/6 creature.
Pay 1 Blue mana to Magical Hacker, and Death's Shadow becomes a 20/20 creature.
Pay 2 more mana and play Rite of Consumption on Death's Shadow, for the win.

he is not my main card!!

Main card: Magical Hacker.
Main creature to play Hacker on: Hopping Automaton.

The other stuff is alternate win conditions, drawing power, removal power, life gain, and mana ramp.

That is what she said!!!

Thanks, glad you liked it.

Really? You don't like Knight of the Hokey Pokey? :)

i like 'em, i even collect 'em, but i don't like to play with 'em

How could you not like dancing the hokey pokey? :)

apparently, u need a new brain

Egads! I wouldn't mind doubling my mental ability, but I am quite capable with my current supply of gray matter!

apparently, a new brain is still something u need, so get one!

Would you stop insulting my intelligence (literally) and notice that you are picking a verbal fight with a man who not only never disagreed with you, but who has only been polite and respectful towards yourself? AND attemped to lighten the mood through the application of humour. That smiley face generally denotes joking.

P.S. If you are attempting to join in witty discourse with myself, I apologize, and suggest that you utilize emoticons in the future.

haha. where r these jokes coming from?

:)

Whew. Finally.

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This is a dangerous conversation, talking with people who don't like un-cards can be poisonous to the goof, and they may have never read the flavor text on double header! :)

Lol. Julian, I will definitely check out your deck!

name entry is right

Sorry. Fixed. Thank you guys for pointing that out.
It was the only the second time I have used a Planeswalker! :)

That is something to be proud of!

and what has that got to do with the pancakes on the roof?:)

My birthday today! :)
Thanks Northy!

but there r still pancakes on the roof
ha!

Thank you vaan!

And I will bring syrup.

i will bring diapers

Not the most effective way to clean up syrup on the roof ... but I suppose there is no easy way to get rid of it.

Thanks HokeyPokey! :)

Great suggestions. You are right, persist becomes awesome with the hacker.

Myself I have been puzzling how to best abuse yet another aether vortex. It is a bit less straightforward than the hacker.

Lol, Yet Another Aether Vortex is hilarious. Use Dryad Arbor in there for sure. How would it affect Planeswalkers?

Hmm ... this is blue, right? Thrummingbird would be downright hilarious.

well as far as i can tell things don't enter the battlefield using another aether vortex, but they do leave it if i draw or shuffle. So im looking for leave the battlefield effects, honestly of any color, though red would probably be best.

Play the vortex, get a protean hulk on top of your library and mill your self for one, then crush them! :)

Try Viashino Cutthroat in there too.

the hulk thing is pretty good actually the question is how do i mill myself in mono red. Also its things that are on that battlefield that go to the graveyard count as dying right? Because that opens up a whole new world of self mill causing death triggers galore.

Only creatures can die. Only creature cards on the battlefield are considered creatures.

Yet another Aether vortex says that you play with the top of your library revealed. That card if it is a permanant, it counts as being on the battle field and in play, as well as being on top of your library, at the same time. Also it gives permenants on top of your library haste. I'm only saying this because your comment makes it seem like you don't understand what it is that Yet another Aether Vortex does.

You can mill in red I have seen it done with a very evil deck using Mindcrank and direct damage. Mill Hulk will not trigger, Protean Hulk states: When Protean Hulk is put into a graveyard from play, search your library for any number of creature cards with total converted mana cost 6 or less and put them into play. Then shuffle your library. It need to be placed in graveyard from play only, also exile will not allow Protean Hulk to trigger being not going to graveyard, hope this helps.

I swear its like no one even reads what I write. Atleast they don't read the things that are important. Such as my explanation of how that would work. Another Aether vortex says the card on top of your library is revealed and that card is in play. Thus Milling, I beleive, would trigger death triggers. Does anyone have any evidence that it would not work that way.

I can read, just read it incorrectly, I'm Sorry! But, looking up Yet Another Æther Vortex, yes Protean Hulk is considered in play being on top of the library as stated, so milling would take affect putting a creature into your graveyard from play.

When it says that permanents on top of your library are in play, that's exactly what it means. If the top card of your library is a Forest, you can tap it, you can sacrifice it to whatever, and your opponent can Stone Rain it. If the top card of your library is a creature, you can attack with it, block with it, play its abilities, or sacrifice it. If the top card of your library is a local enchantment, state-based effects put it into your graveyard immediately since it's in play without being attached to a permanent. When the top card of your library moves to a different zone (you drew it, you sacrificed it, it got destroyed, whatever), its leaves-play abilities will trigger. The new card that's revealed as the top card of your library does not trigger comes-into-play effects. Let's discuss what happens when a card with an “as this card comes into play” effect is revealed as the top card of your library. Or a card with a “this card comes into play with a +1/+1 counter on it” ability. Or one that says it comes into play tapped. Or what happens when a card lets you sacrifice any number of permanents and you want to sacrifice your entire library one card at a time. There thats what I have gotten on this card and too much typing on my part.

Hmmm .... would the other carss be considered as revealed in turn? Of course it would work! Just .... waiting till turn 5 might take a long time.

In addition, this card does not trigger enters the battlefield effects, only leaves the battlefield effect ... it has a built in topor orb!

Oh ... and you should totally play it with psychic network.

Yep, Topor Orb shuts it down with or without Yet Another Æther Vortex. Might as well run Flash and Protean Hulk to play him, down side Flash is banned in Legacy (AKA Protean Hulk deck) and Restricted in Vintage but, kitchen table legit.

oh my golly, leashling, brainstorm and others, I will go and make a deck, be back when I'm done. :)

The Unhinged FAQ (http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=magic/faq/unhinged) says that this triggers "leaves play" effects, but not "comes into play" effects ("enters the battlefield", now). So I'd assume that a Ball Lightning would be sacrificed at the end of the turn you reveal it. 

The FAQ also says that creature enchantments are revealed, considered to be in play, and sacrificed because they aren't enchanting anything before you have a chance to do anything with them. Likewise, I think the same would be true of planeswalkers. They are sacrificed as a state-based effect when they run out of loyalty counters, right? Loyalty counters are put on them when they enter the battlefield, but remember, cards on top of your library don't trigger "enters the battlefield" effects with this. So a planeswalker or creature enchantment would be revealed and immediately sacrificed. That's pretty powerful.

the point is to play a janky unhinged card guys. Not to play Hulk flash and curbstomp people. If turn 5 is a problem, then why not say . . . run seething song? Actually I'm doing that. Along with Madblind Mountain, some elixers of immortality, just need to keep thinking about how I'm going to roll this. Maybe ill play red blue.

Hmm ... countryside crusher much?

Wait so if I play a a viscera seer, and I have persist and undying creatures on top of my library i can sac it and put it into play then scry a land to the bottom, and if I have fecundity in play I can draw stuff... :)

Lol ... that is the best!

i'm going to make a deck that embraces all the uses of Yet another aether vortex and if anyone has ideas please tell me, it probably will be up in a few minutes. :)

Mons's Goblin Waiters and four Bogardan Hellkite maybe?

I made the deck thing for yet another aether vortex if anyone is interested on sharing ideas about it, and have fun! :)

gotta remember no enter the battlefield effects. Since enter the battlefield aren't triggered by Yet Another Aether vortex. So bogardan hellkite probably isn't a great choice. You don't have to worry to much about colors since you are literally playing out of your library. Which leaves you with some deck restrictions. At the same time, there are so many unhinged cards that are awesome to build around. I've always been tempted to build something around ambiguity. I've just never been 100% sure exactly what it does. According to a comment on the gatherer it counters spells after things get counters and puts counters on permanents after spells get countered. That being said I'm not sure that is the only way the card can be read.

You can alway just run a Mox Lotus into a Fireball?

Yet Another Aether Vortex, Zuran Orb, Felidar Sovereign/Test of Endurance. All lands.

It's a backup plan.

Jessie will have less than 12 life when the phyrexian dreadnought punches him in the face turn 2 with the help of topor orb and dark ritual. Heck, it's gg if the opponent has tainted strike and another dark ritual in hand.

That comment made my day. :)

But if he has Tainted Strike, he will stay at 20 life. Then the Shadow still can't be played. Jessie, just use Krosan Cloudscaper.

Will look into that card.
The Death's Shadow is just a back up plan.
I thought the -x/-x into +x/+x was funny!
And a good way to use Magical Hacker.

Speaking of using Magical Hacker, great call on Persist!!!

Let me know when you figure out the joke. And it's a decent backup plan, but I just think more Lemures could be better.

I am missing something...lol?
Sorry. Been a long day.

Had an awesome birthday today with the children.
My mom/stepdad took my family out to eat at a local restaurant.
Stepdad gave me some, very unexpected but needed money, to take my family out, so we went to Jekyll Island. Showed the kids the Sea Turtle Center where they rehabilitate injured turtles. My two year old son adored them. Especially the Eastern box tortoises. I want one, but they are illegal to own in Georgia, so I have to settle with a Sulcata Tortoise.

On the way home, from a great day, is when my wife bursts out in tears while staring at her phone. Her grandfather had passed away today. She is currently on the phone with her grandmother :( Tough stuff.

Anyways, yeah, not sure about the joke.

And will change the Lemures/Shadow around.
3 Lemures and 2 Shadows instead of 2 Lemures and 3 Shadows.
Thanks dagbaker.

But if you get hit by a 13/13 trample infect creature turn 2, you lose. You need a creature with at least 4 toughness, and I am pretty sure no one-drop can achieve that in one turn. Playing death's shadow is a moot point.

The entire point of putting tainted strike on the phyrexian dreadnought is that it is ridiculous and it won't happen unless it does, which it probably won't but if somehow it does than you lose, but it won't unless it does. :)

........................................... what?

The main thing is, 99.724561937% of the time it won't happen. A way to practice reading comments like that one is to learn what ambiguity does. :)

Hmm ... putting tainted strike on a massive creature is far from implausible with careful crafting of a deck. Eater of Days and Leveler work just as well. And Hushwing Griffon acts as a secondary topor orb.

Thing is, it doesn't happen because it won't but when it does happen it will, which will not be enough to be worth playing, unless you find it ridiculous and fun, which would be the only benefit from playing it.
It's not played like that, and the Death's Shadow will get -20/-20 when you've only been dealt damage by creatures with infect (which absolutely doesn't matter if you're dead, but at the same time, you won't be dead, because Tainted Strike isn't a thing).

Fine ... I shalt make tainted strike a thing ... but since it's not ... :D

I don't really like death's shadow either, but it is pretty inventive.

And ... tainted strike can also save you from lethal damage, as long as the source is power 9 or less. Just because no one sees infect as anything more than an aplha-strike wonder, does not mean it can't be used in other, inventive ways.

Also ... tainted strike is undeniably an asset to topor orb decks with tons of massive creatures.

:(

And if if you thought that the comments I have stated in response to the comments you have stated in response to my misunderstanding of a complicated sentence, which had not lead to my confusion, I decided to respond to your responses in kind, unless you did not attempt to be complicated, in which case the confusion is limited to myself, though it would be in either case, and this comment shows that I indeed misunderstood your responses to my confusion with your comment.

Just in time!

Happy B-Day, this deck reminds me of a game I was watching. This guy plays a Ass Whuppin' then a Glamerdye card states: (Destroy target silver-bordered permanent in any game you can see from your seat). He changed Silver-bordered to Black-bordered then he destroyed a Griselbrand at another table that was about ready to kill another guy. We all laughed and the guy at the other table was such a good sport he destroyed his Griselbrand and ended up losing the game, but said it was one of the best plays he had ever seen.

Yay! On my birthday which will be in 20 days I probably won't be on the vault, but I will try to sneak in a few minutes, maybe half an hour. Have you had a good day? :)

Happy Birthday Jessie!

Clockwork, that's awesome.

Clockwork, that man should receive a medal.

It was pretty awesome to see.

Anytime Jessie, anytime!

Standard...umm...I will check it out.

Already have, friend.

I do not have to worry about that deck.
I do not play with or against 800 dollar decks!!!
But I can't wait to see Northy make a semi budget version of the deck!!
You can bet your ass I will be test playing it, and consider buying it.

aye, sometimes I wish Oxford FNM was less competitive...

Yeah, turn 2 wins isn't interactive.

ASLO, will you be doing any other decks using un cards... like ARC HANDS RUN, or something.

Not sure.
I have made so many decks now, already.

Plus, I try to be original when I post a deck.

I spent 3 hours last night making a deck...only to do a deck search to see someone else had built a very similar deck to mine...so I erased mine!

If I can find any un cards that people haven't already made 200 decks with, I might try.

If you want to look at my new, semi-original, interesting casual deck:

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/838558/

Those kind of decks are what I am aiming at making, lately.

Thanks, old friend.
How have you been doing?

not too bad I guess. been working a lot so I haven't had time to get on here lately. but I have had a few ideas that I want to post soon. how have you been?

College and kids.

that makes sense. :)

Yes, Julian, he makes really nice decks.

Maybe one of the cards to switch power and toughness , Cool deck idea, Just made a new edh check it out if you have a moment ! http://www.mtgvault.com/dragon77/decks/kumano-leaves-burns-edh-1vs1/

Have a look a the red gobbo deck i just put up if you have a min

Ugh...blah with tribals everyone has done. I have a red goblin deck too. :)
Make something more rare...like a Satyr tribal deck or a Rhino tribal deck...or something like that.
That is my problem right now...burnt out on the same old same old decks...and finding it hard to come up with something unique/different/neat.

He hasn't replied to you, he just spammed dozens of decks again.

Maybe post a challenge thread similar to mine, only just this time I am feeding you with ideas to go for. I certainly have some ideas I don't want to explore myself for various reasons so I might as well throw them at you. And who knows, maybe others will join, too?

Might just do that, old friend.

http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/puschkins-card-challenge/

I am a troll, dork! :)

Stay tuned, I am about to break the fuck out of Duelcaster Mage.

You are welcome.

Geez...just deck searched Duelcaster Mage...and someone has already posted the idea.
You guys are quick!

Yep. SO many possibilities with Hacker.