Hello nerddude345, thanks for help. The deal with kiora x vorel, i guess this don't work (http://blogs.magicjudges.org/rulestips/2013/05/vorel-of-the-hull-clade-doubles-all-counters-on-a-permanent/). But thanks for the reply and dissolve
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DedWards Hi , thanks for the reply . I 'm trying to create a quick and strong platform , not so focused on " high power " because I know with heroic skill you can create stronger monsters without much effort. Thanks for the tips