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no spot removal?
"yessa!" needs more lilianas.
This looks pretty good. I'm not sure it actually needs lilianass with all the sweepers it has. what is the green splash for?
nm. I see the grudges now. how often do you really need the grudges tho?
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I need them pretty often, actually. There are several top decks using swords right now and I want to have an answer for them when they come. It's such an awesome 2 for 1 card that the green splash is well worth it. Also, I just added beast within's to the line-up (thx mr. miller) to handle enchantments and planeswalkers. So that's another good reason for the green splash.
I dont see how 4 slagstorms can = a sweep, i know you have ratchets on ya sideboard but if ya relying on sweeping, then you have to find space for them in the in the actual deck. also, i think olivia is wasted in this deck as activating her abilities will take mana you really need (particularly early in the game) as your other creatures need 2 red or black so the colourless mana ramping isnt gonna help as much. Your deck has alot of power in it but i think early to mid game you are giving your opponent to much time/space to amass a decent army or set up their own combo's
4 slagstorms+2 black suns zeniths in the mb = sweep city. 2 more black sun's zeniths in the sb and 3 ratchet bombs do equal shitloads of sweeping power. The beauty of black sun's zenith is that it's the best sweeper in standard right now. It goes back in the deck for multiple uses. Olivia is awesome in this deck. I wait to bring her out until I can bite something with her, then the next turn, if I don't steal that creature, then I will just bite everyone, making olivia a super-strong flyer. Olivia is a weenie destroyer. She eats token decks up and doesn't have to attack to wipe out a weenie army. I've taken over many games just because the opponent only had doom blades as removal, or she got too big for burn spells to take out. She's great in this deck. This deck was built for her. The ramp works. It works well. It doesn't matter if 2 of the ramp cards (pristine talisman) are colorless mana, because they give me some much needed life gain AND give me ramp. And 4 of the ramp cards are any color mana..... so there's that. I have never had trouble drawing double black or red by the time I need it. And Im consistently able to cast karn by turn 6 or 7. If I have a crusader then it really works almost as well as a slagstorm at keeping early attackers off of me. The faster decks are generally red or white so he's protected. But his first strike infect ability lets him dominate green and black aggro as well, because he actually makes the creatures weaker before they can strike back (if they live through his strike). I beat 2 fast poison decks, a frites deck (the guy actually got elesh norn out on turn 4), and a b/w tokens deck with this last week. It's so consistent that I don't want to mess with anything. It has some shaky starts sometimes, but almost always manages to recover and take over. Throw it together and try it out against the top creature decks right now. It won't disappoint.
this looks pretty solid, but i have a few suggestions. tragic slip would be pretty useful to take out early mana dorks, as well as thalia...who could give you quite a few problems. garruk relentless is also worth considering, because he can act as removal for weenie creatures and can completely stall the board with DT wolves if left unanswered.
I had tragic slip in there and I have been rotating cards in and out of the deck for the past week, trying to figure out what works best. I love that card, so it may end up back in there.... But I honestly think that slagstorm and black sun's zenith are better cards to have in the mb with my meta. People who rely on creature ramp get their feelings hurt when I drop a sweeper on turn 3 and/or 4. Garruk is in my maybeboard actually. I've been trying to figure out where to fit him in. I would need to increase my green splash a little bit though...
I personally think that Glissa is a better blocker than Phyrexian Crusader, but that's just my opinion.
Glissa is awesome. But she dies to red too easily. My meta has no less than 5 people running different variations on rdw right now. It's annoying to have all your shit burned by the most brainless deck in standard. That's just my opinion though. Good suggestion.
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I agree 110% that Black sun is a creature killer, but becuase the -1 -1's are permanent they are counter productive for olivia becuase they undo her additional +1+1's and at the same time eliminate her targets for additional ones. I would probably sub them out and replace them with blasphamas acts as they would work with your crusader ( im gonna start using him a bit more after seeing this deck) and possibly adding in a few undying evils or nims deathmantles as mana wouldnt be an issue for either of them in this deck and we all know the only thing better than sweeping the board is to make it one sided. The only issue i have with the deck at the moment is the lack of flexibility (like having to wait to bring olivia out etc) as if the deck is built around olivia then your you should be striving to get her out as quickly as possible and ensuring she stays there and wrecks your opponent.
Yep. Those counters are definitely permanent, but the way I play it is to sweep before she ever comes out. Once she or one of the titans is out, I'll hold any extra sweepers/kill spells in my hand as backup plans. But honestly, once shes out, I usually don't need another sweeper. At that point I'm taking over the game with karn or just biting everyone to death with olivia, or fireballing everyone with inferno etc. etc. And I've also usually got some life-gain going on at the same time with batterskull/wurmcoil/pristine talisman. And sweepers arent counterproductive for me against aggro because my creatures will ALWAYS be bigger than theirs. Once I start dropping titans, I take over the game pretty quickly. And undying evil is an awesome trick, but I couldn't find room for it. I tried running mikeus the unhallowed in here for the same purpose, but it was too gimmicky, and a lot of "win more". Another card I love in this deck vs. aggro/tokens is massacre wurm. That card is the ultimate finisher against small creatures. Try it out. Especially when I got it in the mimic vat.
sweet jesus. this deck has tits.
Phyrexian Crusader does not have protection from slagstorm. He only is immune to things that target him. If something were to indirectly do damage to him (Ex: slagstorm, whipflare, day of judgement, and the like) he would die. Those spells do not directly target him, thus he still gets damage for they affect the whole entire board, not targeted ones. That's partly a reason why you see some decks like red, white, and black run things like slagstorm, blakc sun's, and day of judgment for the cards that have protection from the colors they run.
Wait, nevermind... Just looked it up and had alook at the wording of slagstorm and such more: Yes crusader is protected from slagstorm. :P
Yes sir! It IS some tricky wording, but since it says each and not all, he's protected. Which makes the synergy between he and the storms so great. He's still alive and kicking even after I sweep their army off the board. And all my other creatures are too big to be killed by a slagstorm (bringing Olivia out only when I can make her bite someone, so she starts off at 4/4).
i think white would do more for you than green. day of judgment, elesh norn, oblivion ring, and additional artifact removal
Doj and elesh would both mean multiple w requirements. It would have to be more than a splash to make it consistent. I don't want a white deck though. I made the deck to wreck the small creature decks that are so prevalent right now, and black and red are the 2 most creature wrecking colors there are. The green splash was solely to flashback ancient grudges, but then I threw in a garruk and a few beast within's for added removal. Garruk works well because he only costs 1 green mana and puts out deathtouch tokens that come in handy vs. pretty much everything but flyers. He can also screw up somones birds of paradise. And ancient grudges are plenty of artifact removal, imo.
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I agree with robertlin. U will lose Garruk relentless main deck, but that is it. U will gain day, oblivion ring (which is better than beast within if u ask me), and elesh, which would work with this deck in terms of taking over the game. Most creature decks just fold to an elesh. I really like this deck though.
Like I said above - if I put in elesh and day, then I might as well just build a Wx deck. The white requirements increase pretty dramatically when you start talking about those 2 cards. I wanted a r/b deck that dominates in a creature heavy meta and I think I've done that with this one. O-ring is the best catch-all card in standard... I'm not arguing that it's not better than beast within, but I haven't needed beast within in order to win games yet. It's just an extra back-up plan in case I play someone with a lot of pw's or enchantments. And there's always sweet sweet Karn. I don't know if you've ever seen what happens after he comes out, but he does his job VERY well.
The Cruader isn't immune to the Slagstorms. It's not being targeted by it, so it will still take the damage.
Not true. Look up the rules with those cards before you comment. Crusader is immune to slagstorm. That's it.
Crusader would be damaged by slagstorm. Something with protection does not apply to global affects. A pro white creature is affected by day of judgement and pro black creature is affect by Black sun. Protection is it being targeted.
Protection from a color will reduce all damage from that collor to zero. The minus one counters from bsz and the destroy all from day are different. Phyrexian crusader is immune from slagstorm and whipflare.
The rules state that a creature with protection from a color cannot be dealt damage by a source of that color. Even if it doesn't target the crusader, it deals damage and therefore cannot touch the crusader. If the card said destroy all creatures, like doj, then it would most certainly destroy everything. It's a red source that deals red damage. It can't touch the crusader. Read the rules.
can someone explain to me why nihil spellbomb is always mainboarded? is it for the flashback cards that are out there these days, or reanimator decks, or just to draw?
Spellbomb is a great mb card these days. Only if you're running black tho. You want to get the most out of your mb cards. The amount of decks playing out of their gy is higher than its been in a long time. Spellbomb shuts down frites and slows zombies down to a crawl. It's an awesome advantage card and if all else fails it gives you some black draw
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502.7 - Protection 502.7a - Protection is a static ability, written "Protection from [quality]." This quality is usually a color (as in "protection from black") but can be any characteristic value. If the quality is a type, subtype, or supertype, the protection applies to sources that are permanents with that type, subtype, or supertype and to any sources not in play that are of that type, subtype, or supertype. 502.7b - A permanent with protection can't be targeted by spells with the stated quality and can't be targeted by abilities from a source with the stated quality. 502.7c - A permanent with protection can't be enchanted by Auras that have the stated quality. Such Auras attached to the permanent with protection will be put into their owners' graveyards as a state-based effect. (See rule 420, "State-Based Effects.") 502.7d - A permanent with protection can't be equipped by Equipment that have the stated quality. Such Equipment become unattached from that permanent, but remain in play. (See rule 420, "State-Based Effects.") 502.7e - Any damage that would be dealt by sources that have the stated quality to a permanent that has protection is prevented. 502.7f - If a creature with protection attacks, it can't be blocked by creatures that have the stated quality. 502.7g - Multiple instances of protection from the same quality on the same permanent are redundant. the crusader are not protected from slagstorm...creature with protection or exproof are not protected from a spell that said ALL CREATURES or EACH CREATURES because the rules said CANT BE THE TARGET OF...and on general spell like slagstorm or black sun zenitn you dont see the word TARGET...school is over
Really? You literally have the rule staring you in the face (hint: its 502.7e) that says that it immune from slagstorm and you still say that its not?
^ rahl said it all. protection from damage = protection from damage.
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lolll my mistake...i stopped reading at 502.7b :P and 502.7e said you have right :) so that combo is terrible wow sorry again :)
Very nice. How does it hold up against blue control decks?
I think it will do pretty well against control, because I have way more threats than they do. I would just side in the other 2 spellbombs, olivia (flying, creature stealing vampy with protection from doomblade) and the inferno titan. I would definitely side out the slagstorms then, and count on my titans to take over after their counter spells ran out. Mimic vat is fun against control as well....
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