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My first attempt at a modern Iso-Seek extraction deck.Thoughts?Thanks for all the help guys.
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Some draw / search for the combo pieces (especially the scepter) would help a lot
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Agreed. What do you have in mind(while still being budget and modern legal)?
Fabricate, Slight of Hand, Serum Visions?
70$ isn't exactly what I would call budget...
What exactly would you call budget?
in Modern? lol $70 is EXTREMELY cheap. I think a $300 modern deck s still bordering on budget, as any 3 color deck running blue will have 4 Tarn and 4 Misty, which are over $50 each....
meh, I guess
Usually when you see budget on this site, its around $20 in the blue box.
lol. a $70 modern deck is budget. just like a $300 Legacy deck is budget.
Lol. Magic has been victim of MASSIVE price inflation. Right now, for budget, you'd probably look at $200 for standard, $400 for modern, and $800 for legacy. Those are average prices for budget decks (budget and bad mean two different things, don't confuse them).
i feel your quit right here raging, but some of the best legacy decks Ive seen are only 100 to 250 at most
I doubt that....Pox is one of the cheapest Legacy decks, and its still over $300. prduce lists to back up claim.
On top of that, Pox is only cheap if you skimp out on really strong sideboard cards like Chains of Mephistopheles and The Abyss.
well theres affinity, elves, burn, merfolk(depending on if you rune fow or not), linear reanimator, but alot of it depends on how you set up you land base ex.(fetch,duals and wastelands)
Elves requires 4 Gaea's Cradle ($150 each), Affinity isnt good in Legacy, Burn? really? whens the last time you saw a legacy burn deck do well in a tournament? This is a list of decks that you COULD play in legacy, not a list of "some of the best legacy decks" Sure, you can make any deck cheaper by not running 4 tundra, 4 underground sea, ect, but there is not a legacy deck out there doing well without Wasteland.
oh i forgot white weenie and show and tell and dredge almost always do great and theirs no wastelands. now to end this all you said budget those are all budget options that have showed great potential at some point, and some are still doing decently well.
The problem is that we seem to have different definitions of budget. A budget deck is essentially a deck that can be used to some degree of success for a total cost lower than the average deck in the format. A budget deck is not just an inherently worse version of a commonly used deck. Also, both white weenie (usually death and taxes) and show and tell are both pretty expensive, same with merfolk. When playing merfolk, you actually do NOT get to "not fun FoW", you need it. Then there are also a mandatory 4-of wastelands in merfolk and death and taxes. DnT's also includes Rishaden ports, 3-4 karakas, etc. Providing the examples of burn and affinity are the exceptions, not the rule. And they are very weak exceptions at that. Outside of the couple weaks where painter's stone decks were doing well due to greedy mana bases burn is a pretty trash deck, and affinity is almost never good.
Dredge runs Lions Eye Diamond and Cabal Therapy the last relevant list at a major event was SCGO Milwaulkee, where a list costing $590 took 4th. I would still consider that budget, but not under $250. White Weenie is called Death and Taxes, and runs Wasteland, Karakas, Stoneforge mystic, and Rishadan Port. The most recent relevant "White Weenie" list was piloted at the SCG Invitational, Las Vegas by Andrew Shrout to 4th place. It checks in as $1300. hardly budget, not even close to $250. you have yet to produce a competitive decklist that runs under $250.
If you want to double your scepters, you can run Elite Arcanist.
if he wanted more scepters, he would run the playset, and not just 3. Arcanist is a terrible card because it is easy to kill, and is a 2 for 1 every time.
Whoa killer. I see no creatures, and multiple ways of defending said creature. This is also a way around Pithing Needle.
there are literally two ways to "defend said creature" in this deck, and they both say counter target spell, which also keeps needle off the table. you are trying to overcomplicate a deck by adding worse cards than are already there. there is a ton of creature hate in modern and far less artifact hate mainboard. this deck is fine without adding more dead draws.
this actually looks really cool, especially for being so budget. there's only 2 issues i have. the first is that you have a total of 6 effects that will shuffle an opponents library, and yet you are running playsets of both psychogenic and surgery. the second issue is you have no tutors and very little draw, making it really hard to hit that needed scepter. being on a budget is tough, so here's what i say you do. Muddle the mixture. it hits scepter, seek, psychogenic, surgery, pox, charm, hopes and distress -- yeah, thats 24 of the cards in your deck right now, including the stick and the best things to put on it. it can even go on the stick if you have nothing better. so now that we know what to put in, what do we drop? well, why not kill two birds with one stone? -2 psychogenic -2 surgery +4 muddle the mixture. Now, weather you like it or not (though i dont see what's not to like), you are running a really huge toolbox. this means you can drop to one-ofs on things that seem a little shaky. i still think the total of 4 "when opponent shuffles" effects is to many, so i'd go -1 surgery and -1 psychogenic (leave one of each so that you can tutor for the best one in the right situation) and +1 scepter (since the density of its targets is increased with MtM) and +1 whatever you like. i'd probably run a go for the throat (that way you have spot removal in the toolbox) or path in that spot, but you can do whatever you want with it. i am also not a big fan of distress, especially with a budget land base, and would run raven's crime or maybe cry of contrition over it. unfortunately, this is the type of deck that can only be so good with budget lands, but i still think it looks really cool and is a good take on modern. nice building.
MtM is a great option. you could also run Shred Memory, which has the transmute for 2cmc, but also has a better actual card application in the format, wearing some graveyard hate at instant speed. being able to shrink a Goyf during combat to kill it is a pretty sweet trick.
i had forgotten about shred memory, and that is a pretty cool trick. i feel MtM is allot better on the stick than shred, but shred is really sweet graveyard hate. i say its sorta a meta call -- with more graveyard based strategies, shred, and with less, MtM. maybe you could run like 2 mtm 2 shred mainboard and 2mtm 2 shred sideboard so you could swap out for whatever is best in each game. also they tutor for eachother. cool stuff
MtM is certianly better on a stick, but Shred is a great sb card and tutor in general for a low cmc deck. I also dont think you can transmute off the scepter...
agreed, you cannot transmute off the scepter. after looking further at the list, i suggest 3 mtm 1 shred split, i feel you already have the surgicals for graveyard hate and the shred will be tutorable, and mtm really shines on the stick. probably include around 2 shred in sideboard.
In all the years since isochron scepter came out this is one of the coolest applications i have seen props i think i have something like 20 scepters they work in so many applications you can almost add them to any strategy and make it better
Thanks. Glad you like it.
Thanks for all the helpful comments guys. I made some adjustments. What do you think?
much better, however i think now you've actually got the oposite problem -- you've got too many tutors. if i'm not mistaken, fabricate seems so much worse than muddle the mixture and shred, so i'd drop them. that leaves you with 2 open slots, i'd probably run a 3rd surgical and move your sideboarded go for the throat to main. with the third surgical, thats probably enough grave hate, so i'd move the second shred to where go for the throat was in sideboard, and run a single angelsong in that opened slot. or maybe i'd leave shred in and put angelsong in side instead. but that's just my preference, you can do whatever you want with those 2 slots. and now that i've looked at the sideboard, i really like what your doing with the added toolbox pieces. really cool stuff. my only issue is sacrament. usually it's really good, but with only 13 black sources, i think that it'll just sit in your hand for way to long. that leaves you with 2 more slots in sb, i think disenchant would be nice and i say if you don't fit it in main board, angelsong would be sweet.
why not throw in a panoptic mirror and slaughter games or eradicate
Definitely a fan of that win con. Pscho-probe with Iso-Seek just seems brutal to play against.
Aww son of a bitch. You ask me to look at an extraction list and it's for modern! >={I'm sorry but I seriously have no idea what to suggest, I freakin hate modern. Only thing I can think to say that might help is I really don't think Dash Hopes is that great of a card, in any format. Also not a fan of the single GFTT, but maybe it works. In Legacy I usually run 3 Isochrons AT MOST, but that's with the aid of ET, so I'm not sure if the abscence of that means you do, in fact, need all 4. I just don't know =/Wish I could help more man...It looks good at least =]
Modern and Standard with the occasional Legacy and EDH are what's played at my local shops. Sorry about the format change. Thanks though.
Is this the Budget Extraction deck you were talking about? Thoughts...I love people who run 1 or 2 copies of cards. It amazes me because I am too scared to do it. Even if I have a lot of search engines, I always have this idea in my head, "What if I don't get the card because I only have one copy of it in the deck?" So I go safe and almost always put 3 or 4 copies of every card in the deck. Safe and boring. With that said though, of course it is safer to run 1 or 2 copies of most of your instants, with 4 copies of The Scepter. :)Looks good! The instant cards, playing around with their numbers, would seem like the best way to improve the deck. Good luck.