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My first mtg deck that I think have some potential. Main idea is to self mill, then use the graveyard to power Jarad and splinterfright. As of now, my main problem seems to be speed. Sometimes the deck get out of the gate kicking, somtimes it's way slower. I'd really like this to be my first built that wont get trashed at fnm, any advices are really welcome. Updated 24/10/2012, most scavenge is gone, centering the deck around corpsejack aided counters boost along with graveyard strategy.
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A little too much cards with cmc 4 & not enough lands to keep the flow stabil... However, with that much "put a lot cards into your graveyard, U could drop quite some of your bigger creatures & keep as much as U need... Hard to say how good this deck would work... What I'd take out immediately is the Decoy... It's not only a sh.t card, but U don't need that stuff... U have trample with the Splinter & Troll... By dropping the 2 Decoy, I'd add another land & a Troll... That card is awesome expecially in this deck... 2 is not enough, 4 would be too much, so I suggest U play 3... Try to get some Overgrown Tomb!.. For being new at magic & doing your 1st deck... This is very nice!.. U have potential 4 so'... :) I'm interested in your opinion on my R/U Goblin - Snapcaster deck... http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=395668
Tks a lot for the comment. The Decoy was indeed the next cut, but I felt it was some kind of combat trick. One of my friend, who is a more experienced player than I am, tell me to add rancor to my deck, but fact is he himself put rancor left right and center, so i'm not sure. You seem to think I could speed up the process just by tweaking the manabase? I was considering adding some ramp in there, but don't know wich card nor what to take out for it. Perhaps cut a card here and there to add something like dawntreader elk? Would be my choice as it ramp a land AND add his body to my graveward by doing so. What would you think? Maybe -1 grisly salvage, -1 mulch, -1 corpsejack (not sure, he's like at the hearth of my strategie) then +3 elk?
I would consider adding blue. You gain: Screeching Skaab, Skaab Ruinator, Tracker's Instincts, Dream Twist, Thought Scour, and more. These would definetly help speed you up. I would consider removing Daggerdrome Imp, Golgari Decoy, Corpsejack Menace, and Slitherhead. Try and fit in all 4 trolls and more Gnaw to the Bone. Gnaw helps you buy a ton of time. Thragtusk is another beater in your colors thats great with Jarad and all by himself.
Oh and ghoultree. Definetly Ghoultree.
Ya, I tought about it, adding blue, but I don't feel experienced enough to go building three color deck right away... Lol. I'm having problems takimg out the imp since I turned a game around flashbacking increasing savagery on this dude with corpsejack out lol.
Checked out your topic at the forums. I made a deck quite similar to this, and I'm also struggling with speed, as i run G/B, making it G/B/U would certainly have its advantages, but it would require some knowledge in making a steady mana-base, and to maintain a good flow. My deck runs Korozda and Blood artist as the main combo artists, and Jarad and Ghoultree as another combo. Check it out for ideas, http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=393983 . It still requires some improvement. I like Splinterfright a lot, and I got another standard deck built around him and other "graveyard creatures", before the launch of RTR. Its mainly G/U, using tracker's instict, mulch and forbidden alchemy to speed it up. It's a very cheap deck, and so much fun to play. U can find it in my decks if you're curious to see a different approach on splinterfright. The loltroll is such an awesome card but I'm not sure if u can get its full potential out of it in here, even tho it gets fueled by discarding creatures, which u want in order to fuel Splinterfright and Jarad, although Jarad's ability is really the one that causes more dmg. Loltroll in a G/B zombie aggro deck would be the real deal imo. U might wanna consider adding a few ghoultrees and maybe some boneyward wurms. Dunno if u really need all the scavenging , altho Slitherhead's a nice early 1 drop, but Dreadbridge goliath, corpsejack menace and Golgari decoy? I mean I'd rather focus on 1 key element in here, that's either fueling your graveyard and creatures that make benefit from a big graveyard OR then keep the main focus in scavenging and speed. I'm still quite new to building functional decks myself, so keep in mind my opinion's only 1 among many. :)
Tks for the comment. I'm testing different thing with this deck right now. While I feel like ghoultree would make a good addition, i'm at the moment testing it with primordial hydra. Between thr hydra, corpsejack and increasing savagery, I saw turn 5 18/18 trampler with regularity. Turn 6 could be 76/76 trampler with a flashbacked, best case scenario, increasing savagery. I'll have to find a way to protect it from removsl tough. And yup about the scavange, it's slowly but surely making way for more impacting wsys to use my msna. Going to my friend's place to playtest this afternoon, i'll probably update the deck aftetward.
U said it and I had forgot it! :) I did the same thing last week, added a Primordial Hydra in my deck, only 1 tho cuz I dont have more copies. Primordial Hydra's a really good addition, as it's a major threat, and forces your opponent to pay attention to it and use spot removal/control to handle it if it gets out of control! I'd really need 1 more Hydra in my deck,... Lemme kno how it goes with all the testing!
So, it was some intense testing, played for like 3hours straight. The Hydra is definetly good in there, make one growing monster that don't need the graveyard full to perform. The imp made way for vampire nighthawk, many changes, i'll update the deck when the kids goes to sleep lol. I think it is a little better now.
Update done. Crazy what a playset of shockland can do, lowest deck value doubled after the update. Lucky me they are a gift from my friend!
Damn that's a nice gift :) Vampire nighthawk's solid, and always a pain for the opponent. Nice to see another family guy in here! The Hydra and Corpsejack menace make a nice couple! Thanks for taking a look at my deck, ill get back into modifying it.
really nice deck, ( i like the graveyardbesed spirit ;) if my humble advise can interest you I just would replace rancor with creature destroyers ( tragic slip seems very perfect in your deck) and perhaps 1 or 2 naturalize ass your deck seems a bit to vulnerable for graveyard hate cards like Tormonds crypt and rest in peace (or even militant dryad wich prevents the damage you could make with the deathrite shaman) hope this helps ;)
Ya, i'm aware of it's vulnerability to rest in peace, but I can't find a good answer to sideboard short of going for blue conterspell. Maybe sideboard negate or someyhing like that. I already have pithing before for the crypt and some other cards. Maybe side memorycide snd try to play it before they can use restt in peace?
I would simply add Ground Seal & Naturalize to side, if u play against decks that wanna mess with your graveyard. ;)
Cool, I missed ground seal, knew nothing about this card. That rules out graveyard hate, leaving more sideboard room for other kind of threats. Sideboarding is something new to me, as I understood only recently the importance of it to win competitive evenys. How many of them should I side in game two, i'd go for 4 to be sure i'll protect my asset, but I might be ovetsideboarding there lol.
Hey thanks for the comment/ likes. A couple thoughts after a bit of testing: Mulch is a must in this deck. I like it because it almost always guarantees a creature or 2 in the yard, allows us to run fewer lands than we probably should, and is overall one of the best engines for this deck. 4x Mulch and 4x Grisly Salvage provide us the fuel, and I don't believe their spots are negotiable. This deck is a grindy, mid-late game deck, and I've found aggro cards such as Arbor Elf, Lotleth Troll, and Dreg Mangler aren't quite what we want. I think some more powerful beaters such as Deadbridge, Desecration Demon (an absolute beast for 4cmc), and Kessig Cagebreakers are where we want to be. I love Rancor, I just don't think it fits here. Its useless when milled, Splinter already has Trample, and Jarad provides us with the reach necessary to finish games. Doesn't get much better for us than flinging a Ghoultree at their face. One last thought: I've been toying with running Evolving Wilds to provide some ramp with the Shaman. Salvage and Splinter allow us to mill lands, but a Wilds is guaranteed. Been running 3. Lastly, I've been loving Sever the Bloodline as main deck removal. It's amazing against tokens, zombies, and is fine getting milled with FB. I've changed my list some since you saw last, here is the updated version. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=397946 Good luck and happy brewing!
As far as I like splinterfright, he doesn't seems to be the one wining my games. I've done about 20 games against unfortunatly a limited sample of deck. Most of the time, jarad and the hydra are what does it. Do some early game damage, ramp with the elf, as soon as you can, put hydra in play, unless they answer quickly the thing grow in. Turn 3 corpse jack with an elf out, turn four 6/6 hydra for 5 mana, turn five increasing savagery, upkeep turn 6, the hydra is a 44 beast, and with just 1 elf you have enough mana to both play jarad and fling the hydra on the spot. It's weak againt direct damage and removal, but this situation, tks to grisely salvage, happen with some regularity. Kessig's cagebreaker is a card I never keep too far away from this deck indeed, I just feel it's not goimg to be quick enough... I'll have to try it at some point. The d.demon is cool too, maybe i'll try to get some, as I don't have any.
Certainly appreciate the comment and the help. Your deck is much more perficant than mine as we are going for the same end, however my deck is the economical version of your own. The mana bloom is there for my 4th mana on turn 4 nothing more
I really like what you've got goin here, have you thought about gravecrawlers to go with your lotleths and slitherheads? I run a golgari deck too that between gravecrawlers, lotleths, slitherheads and rancors its speed beyond beleife. feel free to take a look and lemme know what you think. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=400761
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Jarad should be sideboarded at best in case you have a situation where you can't attack but you can sac really powerful creatures for massive damage. Tracker's Instincts is just a weaker version of Grisly Salvage, consider replacing them with Treasured Find or Disentomb. I know Deathrite Shaman is a cheap card with lots of abilities, but those abilities require tapping which means you can't use it as a blocker. It really a weak card for this build. I got something similar, if you would like take a look and if anything catches your eye go on an use it. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=392317