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Looking for insights on Sideboard. Please bring ideas :)This deck is fast. It draws a lot of cards and it has plenty of protection from removal spells. Mulligan is often key to winning.This started out as a Budget deck for Standard. Turns out to be fairly competitive.*UPDATE : Added Flooded Strands.. No longer considered "Budget".Tell me what you think!
Get a creature out, buff it and swing. That simple.For example :T1: Plains, Favored HopliteT2: Island, Aqueous Form, Defiant Strike (Swing for 4, scry 1, draw 1)T3: Plains, Ordeal of Thassa (White open for Gods Willing, swing for 5, draw 2)T4: Island, throw whatever you have in there (Draw more cards, swing away for 7 or 8 and await victory on next turn)Unexpectedly competitive!
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Please leave comments. I'm looking forward to see your ideas and help me with sideboard :)Cheers.
Subscribed to your Abzan deck, I'm liking this one a lot too. Have you played it ?
Yes, a bunch of times on various Online platforms. It did very well. It actually won 9 out of 12 times against 5 different decks that had 5 to 10 times the value of this one. Quite happy with it :)
Very nice. I'll test it out for fun, I believe I have all the cards.Have you considered Sage of Hours?
Nope, I had not. Interesting... Get an extra turn to finish things off ? I'm adding to side for the moment :) Thanks mate.
Very good, very good.Only thing this deck lacks is removal. I could suggest something like Voyage's End. At least you should throw the removal into the sideboard.Otherwise, flawless work! A definite +1 like from me!
Thank you Northern :) I'll try and toss removal in the sideboard even though I feel this deck will race to the finish line without thinking about defense so much.
The Hero of Iroas rocks. Makes me have ideas!!!Love the draw power. I do not know standard cards or play standard...so I can't really judge the deck...but it looks like you do not have enough creatures. You have 26 cards that target only 12 creatures. That feels iffy...unless you are trying to put two or three spells on each creature. And if that is your plan, like your example, one well placed spell like Terror is going to destroy you! It will not even be 2 for 1...but worse. It will be your opponent getting rid of 3 or 4 of your cards in play (1 creature with 2 or 3 instant/aura spells cast on it) for 1 card. Not good. Second, you have no removal. No artifact removal. Enchantment removal. Creature removal. So...add something that gives your creatures hexproof AND add removal or bounce spells. Good luck.
You're right. I basically want one creature on the board and make it stick for 3-4 turns. I really want to pump all these spells into that one creature. That's the time it takes to win, usually :) Thanks for the insight though!Glad I gave you some ideas!
This deck is on it's way to the Hot Page...but I can't give it my like. Sorry. "You're right. I basically want one creature on the board and make it stick for 3-4 turns. I really want to pump all these spells into that one creature."Do you know how long, with Magic of today, a creature sticks around in play? Usually not 3 or 4 turns. And if they bounce your creature? Or burn spell your creature? Or terror/murder your creature?You will lose the tempo, card advantage, and possibly the game. Or what if your opponent lays down something you can't beat? You won't be able to win!
Hi Jessie :) Thank you very much for dropping by! I'm happy to see your comment.That's why I aim to keep a Feat of Resistance or Gods Willing in hand to prevent that removal. All the games I've played, my creature is either flying or unblockable by turn 3. It's also going to be a 6/6 or more by that time. That leaves a one turn window to bounce it or burn it (most burns won't burn through 6 toughness). It has enough draw power to make sure (most times) to have a Gods Willing or Feat of Resistance in hand.Does it make sense ? It seems to work fine against decent decks in the format right now. It's also a matter to mulligan to a decent starting hand as well.I have also figured Stubborn Denial would be amazing since my creatures will be 4/4s at the very least by turn 3. Hopefully, I'll manage to get a Like from you one way or another :) Haha!Thank you once again for your input!
Okay, okay. The Resistance and Willing can save your creature, technically. I still think something like Swiftfoot Boots would be a better choice for some of those cards that have protection from color.But the deck is Standard though, right? Maybe Mistfire Weaver? This deck does look fast, as you said, if you have the right opening hand. You talked yourself into a like, and probably a spot on the Hot Page :)Keep up the deck building!
Yep, there you go, I liked your deck and knocked myself out of top spot, :)Now, do you remind returning the favor? http://www.mtgvault.com/jessie/decks/an-aristocratic-bargain/Tell me what you think. What I need to add/take away, or improve on :)
With pleasure! Thank you Jessie :)
You are welcome.
I'm a tad bit late to the party but I run a similar deck and it is actually more resilient than it seems to removal. You can save that single creature with specific cards like God's Willing, Ajani's Presence, or Feat of Resistance. Atop of that, with the amount of scry and draw that is in this deck, it's actually not hard to bounce back if a single creature dies. I don't see it being top tier, but it's definitely a nifty little deck for cheap.
I made something like this and it tore through by friends standard decks!!The only difference is i through in Eidolon of Countless Battles for some nice end game punch. In case they are still alive or have annoying life gain.
I like it! I might even give the Eidolon a try :) Thank you very much for commenting mate!
well for returning advice.Do you find Sage of Hours gets any use? I have thought about adding him but i don't like that he looses the counters
Well, the two times I have played him, he landed only once. The fun part is that he actually managed to win the game. After my Turn 4, the opponent had 3 hp left. Removed counters for an extra turn and followed with the win. He had Aqueous Form on the whole time. Saved him from a Hero's Downfall with Gods Willing on turn 3 :)
Bit of a boring deck #whatawaste
Can't please everyone. I understand this style doesn't suit you.A constructive comment would have been appreciated, however. What would you suggest ?
Playing Legacy so much better
I understand, it opens a whole diffirent world of opportunities :) This one would definitely fit in the "boring" file in the Legacy world :P
We can tell that legacy is so much better by all of the legacy decks you have on here, counterspellkid! *Sarcasm*
Actually Jessie this is a new account to be shared with a multiplayer partner #planning *judgement*
Oh, okay, I can't await to see some of your decks. :)
I'm sorry, but why bash a non-Legacy deck that clearly isn't geared toward Legacy?
I am liking your deck just for that lolAnd it looks like a fun deck too, btw
:D Cheers dariustiwn!
You may find that decreasing the number of Defiant Strikes or Battlewise Hoplites and adding in a couple Meletis Astronomers gives you more gas. I used to run a deck like this and the most important cards were always, without fail, Meletis Astonomer, Hero of Iroas, and Ordeal of Thassa.
I love the idea! The only downside to it is that he wouldn't get big enough to land killing blows. He could be a decent draw engine however! I understand that with auras that would increase power, this is a killer!Thank you very much for commenting, you've got me thinking about building another deck now :P
I run 4 hero of Iroas's in my mono white deck too. They are awesome
I see what you did in the deck name. How Demiurgic of you, friend. I demand more phonetics jokes based around the colors of the decks be implemented into our deck titles!Interesting take on the clunky standard, by the way. I feel that white Voltron can be a legitement archetype as long as it developes an answer to burn and black removal. Good work.
Thanks and thanks :)
The main problem I see is that your gonna spend your mana pumping your creatures with aura's without having enough left open to protect them. or even having the cards to protect them. enchantment decks are generally made with hexproof creatures. That being said for your sideboard I would add 2x Banishing Light, 2x Deicide, 3x Tormod's Crypt (Delve IS a thing) Hope that's a bit helpful, just my opinion.I'd really appreciate some input on my Modern Burn Deck if you or anyone else has time. (Sorry for Plugging it on your feed) http://www.mtgvault.com/maniacalmaniac/decks/a-faster-creature-burn/
No worries and thank you very much for your insight. Honestly, I rather spend an additional turn killing someone and making sure my creature sticks than pumping all my mana into buffing it for one turn. I always keep mana open when I have Feat of Resistance or Gods Willing in hand.
Fabled Hero, that's my only suggestion. He is great.I have a very similar deck and I love it mine is just more creature heavy.I just put it up here so I could link you it.http://www.mtgvault.com/chiefpaleface/decks/soldiers/
ya I was going to suggest fabled hero also
Thank you guys!
Hahahahahahahaha cool man¡¡¡¡ your deck made me laugh, but in a good way, its so simple and yet so cool, i never thought of this deck in a million years, but here it i,s its a scoundrel deck, congratulations for real, i would suggest enchantment removal or that kind of things, but only for sideboard, and you might try abzan cards like a falconeer only to give them fly, but it costs 3 in fact i dont think you need al thos expensive dual cards only having an island and a plains and everything its good, yeah many people said that its a boring deck and that kind of things, but its beauty its in simplicity, so get fun with thi,s i bet you have a lot when you defeat you opponents high priced deks¡¡¡ but returning to competitive play, the only difficulty you´ll se its on green removal enchantments, but they need to have from the side deck, so for fun its good for competitive its tricky, but that doesnt mean that you cannot enter a tournament, you only get to figure what will you need.
Hey man, do you think that Thassa, God of sea could be a nice add to your deck ( Scry every turn and unblockable for almost free). And a if she becomme a creature (it could be a nice blocker/attacker)
What about bruna, the light of alabaster?
This is a standard deck.
So you follow Tom Ross too, eh? At least give him a mention. His list with a link to the article was posted already here: http://www.mtgvault.com/opet69/decks/uw-heroic-by-tom-ross/UW Heroic got two top 8 finishes during state. The one in Georgia doesn't have the list posted yet but the deck that got 3rd-4th in Utah is here: http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1217013
Hi Nampo,I honestly didn't know about him. I am from Canada. But I'm happy to see that my build is not far off :)
Sweet deck.Would Kinsbaile Skirmisher's effect trigger a heroic effect? Other suggestions include Cavalry Pegasus and Launch the Fleet!
It wouldn't :(Launch the fleet is a classic. However, as much as I love this card, it just wouldn't be as strong in this deck as most times there is only one creature (a huge one, but still only one) swinging.:)
Dang! Oh well. I can't think of how to make the deck any faster lol
I can appreciate the fact that you tried ;)
The deck looks pretty awesome! Trying to drum up some interest in my multiplayer guide to get more multiplayer deck created on this site. Wanting to get to the hot page to spark up some interest. http://www.mtgvault.com/biggeorge76/decks/how-to-multiplayer-decks/
That was a cool read BigGeorge :)
And funny :)
I'm not begging for comments on my deck, please just share it around so people can see how broken it is and then email wizards to try to get them to alter this screw up. If you want.http://www.mtgvault.com/necrumlsice/decks/please-help-ban-this-deck/
Going to check that thing out.
Ty nothry. Im not norllamy a sore looser its just decks like this allow the players that don't care about the game to make a "I win" deck. Its really sucking the fun out of the game. Even if i never won at modern events i always felt like it was fun. Now? not so much...
Don't worry, it's almost certainly going to be banned in Modern. They try to avoid turn 2 kills there. Standard is open season though, get to brewing!
INDEED! Can't wait to see what northy does.
Hey! Cool deck! This is my favourite kind of Magic, so simple, so fast, so hard. I just made my first deck since I started playing and it was a similar to this, but Monowhite.I did it a bit different since I was focusing on white, I used Godsend/Holy Mantle(ruled unblockable by creatures)/Oppressive Rays to simply exile any creatures in the way instead of Aqueous Form and Skywalk, as well as Mortal Obstinacy/Banishing Light for removal. I'm still tweaking it and can't wait to get it put together so I can play-test it at my local store, I'm sort of figuring out the online world of playing magic too (Cockatrice? Anyone who knows about that stuff wanna give me a few tips?)Edit: http://www.mtgvault.com/dunwhiteeyes/decks/839720/ added my deck incase you were interested.
I can only wish Ethereal Armor was still Standard :) Nice one there.
Love this deck, I run a slower version with a few more creatures (Battlefield Thaumaturge Infinite Combos) but this is a fearless, no waste, blitz. All for 2 mana or less, an easy +1.
How does this work against control with so few creatures? Also burn might be able to kill your creatures before you buff them?Might buy those few cheap cards (And avoid scry and fetchlands) to try this outCan you look at mine :) http://www.mtgvault.com/mech0z/decks/mardu-token-burn/ its a bit slow, not sure if competitive
Any reason you only have 5 island and 9 plains? With only 12 creatures there is a high chance that you only start with Battlewise hoplite on hand,
the strand means that he can fetch the colour he needs... meaning that he only needs to run 21 land. THOUGH I would say id take out one of the temples, or take them all out. They just slow you down too much.
That dont change the fact that there is much more plains available in this deck, and the 24 white vs 19 blue should mean they should be closer
They are not closer because I need white to be available for Gods Willing or Feat of Resistance at all times. This ratio is the one that allows me to make my creature stick best. They act as the best counterspells in the deck as they both trigger Heroic.I don't mind the temple, it's not a problem for my creature to sit untouched for a complete turn as I can simply keep mana open and cast EOT if no threat shows up. The scry combined with the draw power of this deck is super powerful.I tend to sub Favored Hoplite for Lagonna-Band Trailblazer against heavy burn decks.
How about Dauntless Onslaught or Eidolon of Countless Battles?
Dauntless just sits too high on the curve. I'd say I never would want to tap out to get it out, especially since I have only one creature out most of the time. I really want to have cheap spells to trigger Heroic and keep mana available for protection or counterspells. I agree it is a very decent Heroic trigger for a multi-creature setup.Tried Eidolon, just felt too slow compared to the 2 drops. It would be great if I wanted to expand my board state.Thanks for the ideas, very much appreciated!
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Low mana curve is the the way to go! Perhaps Aerial Formation? It will trigger the heroic ability of your creatures as well as give it a +1/+1 and flying, all for one mana. Sick deck, by the way.
So simple yet so good ! Faced it yesterday with an attrition UB deck and lost 2-0 and 2-1. My Jeskai did better but still, it was a good matchup. Very, very fast and efficient.
I love the low mana cost for everything you have in your deck. It makes for a fantastic early game and I follow a similar type of mentality in that regard with my main deck.
I prefer “Ajani’s present” more than “Defiant Strike”. Trying to get advantage from Draw card and pump in the same time is a great idea. But It’s doesn’t help you to keep your creature. Since number of creatures in your deck is low. Every creature is important. I think It’s too risk to use defiant strike. Return to the rank is the best sideboard card against control/Abzan Deck (Despite, thoughtseize ) While you cannot protect your creatures for many reason but you still can call them back. Mortal’s Ardor and Ordeal of Heliod is great against aggro Deck that you already have. And I think it’s good enough. Brimaz, King of Oreskos is one of my favorite sideboard card . it will help you Control (Or Don’t let opponent control) the board by attack and defense in the same time/Create cat solider.Another one I want to suggest you is Disdainful Stroke. It will be very helpful When you meet a “Big Spell Deck”. So sideboards will be … 3xReturn to the Rank3xOrdeal of Heliod4xMortal’s Ardor2xBrimaz,King of Oreskos3xDisdainful strokeThis is my opinions … O o //
i might consider suspension field for the sideboard. cheap way to answer big threats and still triggers prowess on your turn.
I like the deck alot. a new way to look at aggro.http://www.mtgvault.com/liightningg/decks/boros-aggro/what do you guys think of my deck?
If you are aiming to have only 1 creature swinging most of the time Ajani's Presence might be something for you since it has the possibility for you to target several creatures and also grants indestructible for 1 white at instant speed :) Also if you face burn decks and they decide to target you Mortal's Ardor is a nice card since it gives you lifelink and triggers heroic for 1 white. If you have the time I'd appreciate some feedback on my G/W Heroic deck: http://www.mtgvault.com/cream/decks/ajanis-heroics/
Really like how this deck looks, might try to build it myself! <3 It's my fav colours and nicely put together. :) *likes it*
Is battlefield Thautmarauge a bad idea?
It was in the initial brew. Did not make the final cut.
why bother with flooded strand? it wastes your life and costs to much. get an azorius guildgate or something to save your precious life.
Yeah but he plays this deck in STD. No Guildgates. Also, this deck is all about speed and fetchlands are faster than guilgates, which comes into play tapped.
evolving wilds in my opinion actually works better
Um except that evolving wilds makes the basic land come into play tapped. that's terrible.
well at least you don't have to pay your life for 1 stinking land! I know i'm being rather angrier than i should be but I like mana bases in my decks exactly right. paying life to get land is not exactly right.
hey artifacts is coming ! not my decklist but check this out-
I like the name. :)
One card will change this deck dramatically... I play a very similar deck that is out of control. "Artisan of Forms" Especially when you come up against Kourser of Kruphix or big creatures with abilities. Artisan of Forms has become one of the main win conditions for my heroic deck. I only play with one Stratus walk.
Did you get a chance to check this card out.
I haven't to be honest. But it sure looks like it could help in some matchups.
I loved this deck so much that I made it! It works great and I can't wait to take it to tournaments. Now I want to try it up against my newest brew of the archetypes.http://www.mtgvault.com/socalithurts/decks/bw-lifegro/How will this match-up end up?
I wanted to post and say thank you for showing me something that I can build right now which matches exactly the kind of deck I love to play! Love it! +1
Thanks for the comment and enjoy :)
Almost 100 likes. Good job! :)
:) Thanks Jessie!
Why have defiant strike In sideboard with God's willing in the main deck please explain.
Gods Willing is probably the best card in this whole deck, next to Ordeal of Thassa.