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FIRST TOP DECK!!!!!! THANKS EVERYONE!!!!!!!! Ok even bigger overhaul thanks to everyones comments I have changed the sideboard adding more utility and as for the mainboard Nocturnus is gone and more Blood Line keepers are in also added 1 Olivia to give me that flex drop on turn five I also put dreadbore in and put out duress I am going to playtest it soon hopefully it stands up even better. thank you all for your input Ok so some major changes that I will be testing tonight I dropped duress out for dreadbore I put in bloodcraze for Falkenrath and changed bloodline from 1 to 3 and dropped Nocturnus to 1 and may try one oliva in his place thought I am not sold she is the solution again thank you all for your continued help! First off I am sorry everyone I have not addressed comments over the last day or so I been drinking some beer and eating some Turkey so a happy belated Thanksgiving to you all and I have now have something else to be thankful for and that is being top deck thanks to all you wonderful MTG players who are a part of our very special community thank you all for liking my deck so much!! New and improved Vampires please comment!!! OK so I been play testing this deck at work against my friends and coworkers it is really fast has lots of kill power. I really love the deck as is but I think it still has room to be worked on cards like bloodthrone could be used in other decks much better if you got some suggestions on things to run in standard I am all ears. I am removing bloodthrone and trying Falkenrath Exterminator in her place I hope it works out better any thoughts? In addition I been playing Falkenrath Exterminator in place of bloodthrone and he has been quite sucsessful not only as a better two drop but an overall better card I am still looking possibly for more kill power but the deck has played fast so far.
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ok, i am not really that grate a deck builder, i always have help from my friends mostly KJSJ3. you might wont to consider more kill and burn spells, but it all depends on you and how the deck tends to play for you. my ideas for this deck would be this but that's just me... -2 Zealous Conscripts -3 Bloodthrone Vampire -1 Vampire Interloper -1 Vampire Nocturnus +2 Bloodline Keeper +3 Olivia Voldaren +2 Curse of Stalked Prey here is my standard vamp deck if you wont to look for some ideas http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=284883
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Thank you for your input I greatly appreciate it and I had origanally thought about oliva but she slows me down and makes my overall game slower and to control oriented. I also have never been a fan of curse of the stalked prey but thank you for the feedback.
I agree with you about only running 3 Vampire Nocturnus and dumping the Zealous Conscripts and Bloodthrone Vampire they work well as a combo because your not going to sac your own creature so you're depending on pulling both and playing both. Adding 2 Bloodline Keeper is also a good idea because all the creatures are vampires so he is sure to transform, and if you have a Nocturnus out your field is pretty unstoppable. Adding more burn or kill power is a good idea maybe Tragic Slip or Murder. I play against this deck all the time Monohorror is a friend of mine and the deck is pretty deadly the way it is, but I think with some of these changes I it saddens to say it will become more deadly. I really think Duress should go because I hate it when he pulls Duress on turn 1.
well i did have an idea other than oliva, you might try 3 Markov Blademasters instead if you wont it more aggro but it may mess with the color ratio a bit unlike oliva.
This is a standard format vamp deck that I made a while ago. It might give you some ideas. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=404448 I was thinking, maybe you could use bloodflow concierge instead of bloodthrone vampire. If you are thinking of adding non vamp creatures, add olivia ( skirdag high priest is easily shot down so shoot it with olivia). Curse of Stalked Prey works. Necropolis Regent would be a nice late game card as would mizzium mortars with overload. I'm not sure how well it will work, but try rogue's passage. Not sure if you do, but if you want to test your deck more often against more people, try cockatrice. It's free and you can play against people from all over the world. http://cockatrice.de/index.php?a=download Shadow and I are on there (same usernames). So if you want to test out a deck, that would be a good place to go (though I would rather have the cards and test it in real life).
This might also give you some ideas. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=407457 Shoot a vexing devil with olivia.
You should add Vexing Devil just for fun. He can be a real thorn in your side early game.
Thanks WAR I like the feed back but I can't cut on Nocturnus he wins games and Shadow I do like blademaster but he messes my ratio but I will give him a try thanks for the input!
Brimstone volleyis a card this deck needs you've got an all in Aggro vibe to thi with nocturnus lose bloodline keeper and blood throne Brimstone volley will give you reach for those last points of damage
I really thought about brimstone but I also don't want to loose creature power I am not a fan of bloodthrone but BLK is pretty good to run 1 he can bump me right over the top but I am gonna try three brimstones thanks for the input
Nice deck I have made a few vamp decks myself. Aggro is the way I go with them as well. Olivia is great though. And alittle control is always a good thing. I agree with the murder and tragic slip. There are alot of boardwipes available in standard. They are devastating to aggro decks. So in my opinion I would add in a little control and direct damage even if its just loaded in the sideboard. Either way nice deck vamps are always deadly.
thank you very much and I think I will 100 percent load up the sideboard with all those good toys.
Your deck seems like it really packs a punch. Black and Red are the coolest Vampire decks for me. Though, I don't see the purpose of Bloodthrone Vampire and Crippling Blight, but that is probably cuz I'm not very bright when it comes to foreseeing all that a deck can do only by looking at the cards on it.
its ok man I don't care about sacing my own guys I use Conscripts to take control of your creature and then after I smash you with it I sac it to my bloodthrone though I am not wild over her she serves a purpous.
i would put in some cards that give you tokens and use them to sac take out all vampire interloper and put in skirsdag high priest so when you sac you can use morbid and get 5/5 flyers
I really do like that idea perhaps I will try 1-2 of him somewhere in the deck it is pretty genious and you may have given me a new idea for a deck all together seriously thank you!
Lol stop giving him such good ideas. No just kidding, I'm kinda mad at myself for not thinking of that for him, I did tell him though to add more Bloodline Keepers which would do the same thing. The better this deck is the better I have to make my W/G human deck http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=403033 . I look forward to playing against this deck again.
I am removing bloodthrone and trying Falkenrath Exterminator in her place I hope it works out better any thoughts?
I would drop bloodline keeper and add 1 more zealous Or drop zealous and add 2 bloodline keeper Take a look at my standard too and comment ;D http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=406838 Gonna lunch now,if you leave a msg at my deck I come back here (but remember me please)
If I were him I would add more Bloodline Keeper. He allows the battlefield to get stupid big and hard to deal with.
yeah i would defiantly add more keepers if it were my deck and with out Olivia in the main board to turn it in to a vamp or any flicker/blink power to use its ability again zealous is a good card to take out. plus it will help turn the curve more in to the black for nocturnus...
it is something that has crossed my mind keeper has proven to be interesting but I feel I am finding myself not wanting to drop him till I got five mana so I can insta transform he is like the get over the hump card which I don't always need same goes with Zealous it's a get over the hump card though I may try and run more of either one I will play test it
I know absolutely nothing about standard, and vampires have never been my cup of tea in Magic. Only thing I can think is that Electrickery might be a handy SB card.
Thanks that is a pretty good suggestion
I like this deck, I am trying to expand my knowledge of Vampire cards :) have a look at mine if you wouldnt mind. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=407611
I'd replace the Exterminators, Conscripts and Duress with Curse of stalked prey, Pyreheart Wolf and Ultimate price and/or Sign in Blood.
I like in sign in blood and UP but the other two cards IMO I don't think flow expecially considering pyreheart is a wolf and I have never been a fan of stalked prey I mean I will play test them tonight at work but I am still not sure how I feel though thanks for the suggestion
i suggeust adding Anowon, the Ruin Sage he really saved my ass in many games.
Holy cow I love him!!! He is on my total non-standard casual play list and will be fun to put in against my friends thanks for the suggestion much love!
you should really try Blood-Crazed Neonate, she seems bad because she's essentially unleashed since she cant block but unlike exterminator she can trade with a 2/2 or become a 3/2 first strike with captain. most people will chump both neonate and exterminator before they become scary so in my experience she comes out on top. Check my vampires deck it got 2nd out of 42 last week. i beat gw aggro and jund reanimator. lost to bwu tokens for first.
I might try out that swap it just scares me having two creatures that can't block but I guess it is the trade off because you want to be attacking all the time anyway
At first glance, it looks pretty close to my R/B vampire deck. I've won a couple local tournaments with it so far. Check it out and see if you can't get any ideas from it. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=406829
Looks like a deck that could go places, but could be improved! I'd knock those Nocturnus out, they slow you down WAY more then Olivia and does not always buff your guys, I'd only run him if you were ALL black vamps (remember land is colorless ALWAYS so that swamp does not give you the buff) I would add that blood-crazed neonate, shes quick and hits early and if not killed becomes a big problem, she kinda like stromkirk noble, you NEED your early turn monsters so as to keep the heat on your enemy You should sideboard your Duress your control match up, but more kill spells like Ultimate Price or tragic slip so you guys get to the red zone All and all a cool deck but I think my advice would help it, all so I'd used more bloodline keepers, crazy good, trust me
Wow Your suggestion is really really good I mean I still love nocturnus and am not totally sold on oliva in this particular deck I built another R/B deck that makes her a shining star and sideboarding Duress is a good move I think I mean it is very good against U/R because they tend to mess with your flow and duress can be that life line kinda card but I think something like dreadbore would be a sink hole of a card to my opponents I was also considering mainboarding Volley because with a creature kill from a card like dreadbore it can come behinf and smash for five damage thank you for the suggestion maybe I will cut Nocturnus to 1 see how it runs and add more keepers
Nocturnus, to me, really only fits in a mono black deck. Even with a splash of red it could slow you down or worse, you to stall out if you hit a pocket of red. I would recommend either taking him out completely or at least reduce how many you have in the deck and sub in Bloodline Keeper. BK will pump out more vamps fairly quickly, and having tokens to soak up some hits from time to time is never a bad thing. Everything else looks solid though. I don't think Zealous Conscripts really fits the theme but hey, if it works, go with it.
Yeah I like the suggestion and Conscrirpt lets me take your planeswalker and use up a big ability right away and give it back I mean yes she is off theme but has a great turn around as soon as she drops thanks for the comment
I see your point, good call. I play casual and with my friends, planeswalkers aren't a huge concern. Still, aside from something like Pithing Needle, Conscripts is a good contingency. But you still have a great deck here. Check out my mono black Vamp if you have a sec and see what you think: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=406994 Any suggestions would be appreciated!
Adding in some Blood Crypt's for lands would be a good option, also replacing Duress with Distress is well worth the 1 extra black mana IMO. Really good deck you have for sure. Any advice on my new deck would be welcomed if you or anyone else has time: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=404243
I like the card and may consider it when playing casual also I checked out your deck and left you some feedback and ideas
First off I am sorry everyone I have not addressed comments over the last day or so I been drinking some beer and eating some Turkey so a happy belated Thanksgiving to you all and I have now have something else to be thankful for and that is being top deck thanks to all you wonderful MTG players who are a part of our very special community thank you all for liking my deck so much!!
Ok, your list looks good, but I have three main suggestions. Feel free to agree with some and disagree with others, though I would really appreciate it if you would reply telling me what you think. 1) I see why you have the Zealous Conscripts, but since you are really looking for the creature steal, not the 3/3, I would replace it with the cheaper alternatives of either Traitorous Instinct(for a similar amount of damage, but more likely that they have to block their own creature). Or Traitorous Blood, which is even cheaper and also gives the stolen creature trample. 2) Replace Murder(sideboard) with Dreadbore. Dreadbore is cheaper(66%of cost) and can take out planeswalkers, which will really help you against decks that want to drop a walker then follow it up with a board sweeper. 3) Add in Blood Crypt. You really need it to increase the chance of a turn-1 Noble(right now you only have 4 mountains as ways to do so). They will also be helpful if you do switch Murder to Dreadbore.You are playing 4 nighthawks(if it comes to racing) and nothing that causes you to lose life, so the 2 life cost shouldn't matter. 4) Duress is really weak against creature-based decks. I would move at least two of them to the sideboard and replace them with Murder(or preferably Dreadbore, if you make that change) 5) I don't think Markov Blademaster is a good sideboard card. It does fit well with your deck, but bringing it in after sideboarding doesn't help your matchup against any specific deck. I would take them out and replace them with Skirsdag High Priests. Priest is good against midrange creature decks that want to play a Huntmaster and/or Thragtusk(often with resto angel), which would then take over the game. The Priest will allow you to get a big flyer into the air that can kill resto angel or huntmaster and trade with thragtusk, as well as being able to win on it's own.
Put together, my suggestions are Main Deck: -3 swamp -1 mountain -2 Zealous Conscripts -2 Duress +4 Blood Crypt +2 Traitorous Instinct +2 Dreadbore and Sideboard: -4 Murder -3 Markov Blademaster +2 Dreadbore +2 Duress +3 Skirsdag High Priest
Feel free to pick and choose from these ideas, please reply with what you disagree with(and why). Here's the Rakdos Aggro deck I'm working on, tell me what you think!
Thank you So much NicolBolas I agree with everything and recently made some changes to the deck that I think will work well I still like Conscript cause I take control of a permenant so that goes for walkers and or any card on the field plus she got haste and can attack behind the steal but all your other input is spot on and makes amazing sense only thing is where is the link to your deck? I will make changes appropraitely you don't think I should do 4 dreadbore main board?
Glad to see you liked and agreed with most of my opinions,(especially since I'm not always perfect at seeing the use of some sideboard cards, something I'm trying to improve on). Also, I like that you put Slaughter Games in the sideboard, its a great card that I forgot to mention. Im also glad you liked my G/W tourny deck:)
Honestly, I would put all 4 dreadbores mainboard, but I figured that if you had played the deck and had 4 duress, then I would defer to your judgement(havent played it) and leave 2 in. As for Conscripts, I still feel that 5 mana is a lot for a deck with 22 lands, and the permanent vs creature difference isnt much. Traitorous Instinct gives the stolen creature +2/+0, which helps make up for the lack of the 3/3 haste, but also makes it more likely for the opponent to block their own creature
I might try the TB ove Conscript it does make really good sense and what deck of yours am I looking at? lol
Sorry here was the Rakdos Aggro http://www.mgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=401140 and here is my successful tournament deck http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=402347
I've made a similar style deck, and since you caught my mistake on one of my decks I figured I'd give my input. Firstly, I strongly disagree with the zealous conscripts, they do not have a clear purpose in the deck, and rather it seems you just put them in because you felt like they were a good 5-drop. While this may be true, I feel that there are much better (and cheaper) alternatives. Some options include Rakish Heir, Vexing Devil, and maaybe even Markov Blademaster simply because a turn 3 blademaster can get pretty crazy pretty fast, especially with removal to clear a path. Vampiric Fury works pretty well as a combat trick at +2/0 first strike, and Olivia Voldaren if you are indeed still looking for more high cost cards, as this also synergizes with the blademaster, working to buff it even further.
Thank you for you input and yes I am making edits now as we speak and Conscript is coming out of the deck
My suggestions are; You should DEFiNiTELY keep 4 Duress, against mass removal cards and combo decks. One Wrath of God or Black Sun Zenith pretty much cause you to lose the game. Instead of Searing Pain try Mizzium Mortars, that card deals more damage and in some cases an overloaded Mizzium can destroy your opponent. Well it can't target players but your creatures will do more damage if you kill all the enemy creatures. Take out Crippling Blight and add 4 Furor of the Bitten, with 4 Mizzuim and 4 Dreadbore you have enough creature removal. Furor gives you speed. And maybe Markov Blademaster can be usefull. I'm not sure about it but Markov + Furor = very powerful, that make opponent kill her or die by her sword.
I really like Mizzium I may play test it and see how it feels thanks for the suggestion and I am keeping duress sideboarded
I really like the feel of this deck, its how vampires should act in my opinion, willing to take damage and uncontrollably aggressive with cards like crippling blight.
And very nice SB btw i always thought slaughter games was the best SB card, glad you included it
Thank you I makes me feel like all the hard work and suggestions everyone gave me has paid off I am glad you like the deck.
I like this +1 check out my Unleashed Combo http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=407777
will do thanks for the comment
Hey Mono, could you check out my curse deck? I am hoping to get it good and fast enough to use at FNM. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=408691
Pretty solid. Not too flashy, but very functional. I like it. Opinions? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=394008
For removal, Mizzium Mortars is better than searing spear. It doesn't have the advantage of hitting players, but an overloaded Mortars will often allow you to deal tons of damage with your creatures before the opponent can rebuild their board. If you are having problems finishing off control after sweepers, then keep them in.(I figure that with 4 duress in the sideboard, plus slaughter games, you would be alright against most control)
Thanks Nicol good suggestion if I can get my hands on some I will play test it I might proxy test it in house and see how it runs
really enjoyed watching your deck, nice composition of all teh Innistrad Vampires I would really enjoy if you would get a look at my deck, you seem to have quite a talent at this http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=396775
What about adding some Rakish Heirs? Especially for your flying vampires. It could be cool having an army of vampires all getting stronger. I really like your deck and would think it's awesome if you take a look at mine and tell me what you think. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=402792
Great deck!, MonoHorror!! only adjustment I could think of making is taking out one or two Stromkrik Nobles and adding in Captivating Vampire so you can control the game a bit more.
thanks but my deck is standard for FNM but I like him for casual
Really enjoyed watching your deck, nice composition, but too expensive for me. btw could u check my vampire deck and tell me what you think? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=411243
thank you I commented on your deck as well
Your deck looks like a lot of fun. If you dont mind looking at my deck and telling me if i should change anything? thanks o and if you want to add a artifact blade of the bloodchief wld help power up ur vamps http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=406828
Pretty straight forward and ideal vamp deck, i would add sorin though, he's pretty good in aggro vamps :D other than that good job! can you check out this bant aggro i made? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=413723