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Win on First Turn. Cards in hand: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Entomb, Shallow Grave, any 3 other cards 1. Play Swamp, tap for 1 black mana 2. Play Dark Ritual for 3 black mana 3. Pay 1 black mana to play Entomb, search your library for Serra Avatar and put it into your graveyard 4. Pay 2 black mana to play Shallow Grave as an instant, target Serra Avatar 5. Attack for 20 damage
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you can't attack first turn w/o haste and would have to attack 5 times >.< 6th turn win?
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Shallow grave - "Creature is unaffected by summoning sickness" aka haste.
how is this a first turn win? serra angel is only a 4/4. i'll let you finish it first though. i just realized its a work in progress
serra avatar, not serra angel
Oh, thanks for pointing that out. I made the mistake of clicking Serra Angel rather than Serra Avatar. Problem has been fixed. On your first turn, it will go your graveyard. However before its "put it into your library if its in your graveyard" effect is activated, you play Shallow Grave as an instant. IT GIVES THE ANGEL HASTE. Since its your first turn, your life total is 20. Attack for 20 damage. Sorry about that.
i have an idea (well its not mine) of relentless rats + haunting echos to get rid of many unneeded cards.
You should look at my reanimate deck if you want any suggestions Im still kind of working on it. I can get a creature card out on my first turn.
Technically can't Serra Avatar not be in your graveyard at all? If you play Shallow Grave as an instant on top of the stack then there would be no creature in your graveyard at the time that the spell resolves. Then when Serra Avatar resolves it would be shuffled into your library immediately after it was placed in your graveyard. Shuffling it into your graveyard cannot be interrupted by an instant because its part of the resolve.
Yes it can, Serra Avatar will still be in the graveyard before her ability trigger to reshuffle her into the library. So you can Reanimate her with her ability on the stack.
I think mcgreedy is right
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That absolutely would not work
it should work because it based on the same mechanic that allows mill decks to exile graveyards of decks running the mythic rare eldrazis. its all in the comma according to ruling the comma gives a pause so that it can be interupted because she actually has to be in the graveyard to trigger that ability therefore if you were to play an instant at said time it would be able to target her in the graveyard.
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That isn't the issue.
OK, rules people. Here's how it works. First Entomb goes on stack. Then, Entomb resolves. Serra Avatar enters graveyard. Serra Avatar's TRIGGERED ABILITY goes on the stack. Shallow Grave is cast, going ON TOP of the triggered ability on the stack. Shallow Grave resolves. Serra Avatar enters the battlefield. Triggered ability fizzles because Serra Avatar is no longer in graveyard. This is a combo that can be done with Emrakul. It's pretty famous. Look it up (not with Progenitus, as P never enters the graveyard).
The Emrakul combo is different as it says shuffle your graveyard.. Serra Avatar simply says "shuffle Serra Avatar back into the deck". The Triggered ability does not specify graveyard also, Triggered abilities are not stopped by being in a different zone. They're only stopped by having an illegal target/targets.
Same basic thing. You can get Emmy out before the triggered a resolves. It's just with Emmy, the rest of the GY goes back, too.
Okay here's what would happen. Serra Avatar's Triggered ability goes on the stack. Shallow Grave is cast, and put on top of the stack. Shallow Grave resolves, Serra Avatar enters the battlefield. Serra Avatar's Triggered Ability resolves and is shuffled back into the library. Serra Avatar says "Shuffle Serra Avatar into the owners library", It's not the same thing as Emrakul. Emrakul specifically tells you to shuffle your graveyard into your library... where he's not at anymore. Serra Avatar says "When Serra Avatar is put into a graveyard, shuffle Serra Avatar into its owner's library." The triggered ability would still shuffle her back.
Thats kind of a fun glitchy sort of a deck. Nice combo.
Won't work, because when Serra Avatar is put into a graveyard it is shuffled back into the owners deck. Also what other cards would be in the deck, a deck can't be under sixty cards.
you should put thoughtseize/ despise in here. that way if you have serra avatar in your hand you can drop it and play shallow grave :)
I don't see why you need Plains in this deck...
check out my heartless summoning birthing pod combo deck http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=308660
instead of using a serra avatar, couldn't you just use a blightsteel colossus
Even with blightsteel colossus the same problem occurs. i have no idea how it happens, but im leaning towards this: First Entomb goes on stack. Then, Entomb resolves. Serra Avatar enters graveyard. Serra Avatar's ability goes on the stack. Shallow Grave is cast, going on top of the triggered ability on the stack. Shallow Grave resolves. Serra Avatar enters the battlefield. Serra Avatar's ability resolves, because even though shes on the battlefield she can still be shuffled into the library. You need to ask someone connected to magic rules, like a judge, or email someone who works at Wizards to make sure. This really could go either way.
Thank you, that's what i was trying to explain but noone seemed to listen D:
nice deck, I get the concept. I guess it would be good for 40 card deck games I'm too used to 60 card decks though. Do you think anyone can take a look at my deck http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=323012 It still a work in progress I dont even know what kind of deck it is.
This deck is illegal in all formats, IICR as it only has 42 cards. It needs 18 more.
You might as well take out 3 Serra Avatars. You only search for one anyways.
yeah but if you get the perfect hand and the avatar happens to be in it? its safer with 4. plus this needs all the cards it can get.
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I'm pretty sure this combo wouldnt' work because as it enters the grave you shuffle it back into your deck, the ruling would have to be presented to a judge to clarify. But also even still you need to get all 3 cards in your draw to pull off this combo. Also assuming that you are going first as well, because if you go second someone can just unsummon, vapor snag, or fog. Also just for decks like these I run 4x Force of Wills, and 4x mental mistep ^_^
It might nor work this combo if your opponent has one of these 3 cards in his/her hand: 1) Mental Misstep 2) Surgical extraction 3) Noxious revival :D
I am i only one that noticed that this deck only has 42 cards
Omg I got the best laughs out of this one =D, Your the man! Loved that haha LOL! Nah, not so. Look at the six upper comments.
"Some bombos are understandable: They work if you use the wordings on the card. But we all know those don't count. If you're tiptoeing across the timing tightrope, you've got to consult Oracle. Filbert Grettularsh sent in this out-of-date doozy: Here's a first turn Serra Avatar kill that is not completely impossible to pull off: [Oh, the irony. –MG] Play Swamp, Dark Ritual. Entomb a Serra Avatar, then in response to its shuffle-into-library ability, use Shallow Grave to bring it into play with haste. Attack for 20 and win!! Wrong! Serra Avatar's “shuffle into library” ability has been changed from a triggered ability (as it was printed) to a replacement ability (as it is in Oracle). So the Avatar can never possibly be in your graveyard, and thus it can never possibly be reanimated." http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/mg119 Still a cool idea though.
as of 2008 and gatherer (the newer version of oracle): The ability that has you shuffle Serra Avatar into your library is now a triggered ability. This means that other abilities which would trigger on the Avatar being put into a graveyard will also trigger. However, a change of zone doesnt affect the "Shuffle it back into the library" as it targets the avatar regardless of its zone, it only has to enter the graveyard and it will trigger. so you may get it into play, then its own ability resolves then you shuffle it back. Best you could do is turn 3 with a Fling. making it a R/B/W deck
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=5713 <- Gatherer rulings on serra avatar.
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Thanks for the clarification.
Denizen of the Deep 11/11. or Krosan Cloudscraper 13/13 or Ludevic’s Abomination 13/13 or Withengar Unbound 13/13 would all put you ahead quite nicely. but a first turn win is next to impossible under current rulings with that combo.
Abomination starts as a 0/3 that needs counters to grow to that size. Withengar starts as a legendary equip that needs the creature to deal combat damage first
Yeah, I realize that. sorry mostly just searching for some heavy hitters on gatherer.
sorry to rain on you parade but min. deck size is 60
unless they have changed the rules recently most tournaments are 60 card minimum, but casual play has a 40 card minimum
this dosen't work you can't put a an instant on the stack on top of a static ability
Its not a static ability , its a triggered one. but see my comment above.
You could add blackcleave cliffs, dragonskull summits, pyretic ritual, and flings as filler. That would still allow the combo to work assuming you don't get countered.
Wait what? surgical extraction? Oh my...did your deck just break?
Nice attempt, but not quite there. I much prefer a nice long drawn out game of EDH anyway. Bit more variation, and games between same 2 decks could vary wildly, as opposed to 60 card deck with 4 card limit.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=221563 Can also swing for the needed death on turn one
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=325504