W/B Needles

by Pentagrim on 21 February 2015

Main Deck (60 cards)

Sideboard (15 cards)


Enchantments (2)

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Deck Description

So, i'm in my third week of playing magic. (theres probably a thousand things wrong with the deck, i would love suggestions if you have them)

wanted a deck that is at least legal for "modern" people keep talking about.
i have a weaknes for white and black combinations in all sorts of games, so im trying to make a viable deck with that in mind.

a thousand little pricks, some stabs.. a few flicks..
Im drinking blood so fast i get the hicks..

How to Play

Mimic get triggered by about 23 cards. so theres that.
Can also bring in battle brawler out of the sb, for a cheap conditional 3/2 first strike buggar

Palace siege/ souls of the faultless/ obzedat are nice passive lifedrain cards, with sanguine to amp the dmg or exquisite to amp the healing. (trying to avoid the instawin combo on purpose here, feels like cheating :v maybe when i'm in a pinch in the 5th match, ill switch it in :')

Planeswalkers being planeswalkers :V

does a mimic trigger a mimic? or is it only when you actually require to pay both white AND black for a card, as opposed to either white OR black?


so yeah. woop woop. time to bring in the critics and get rekt right?

Deck Tags

  • sorry
  • Modern
  • Life Drain
  • Token

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Card Legality

  • Not Legal in Standard
  • Legal in Modern
  • Legal in Vintage
  • Legal in Legacy

Deck discussion for W/B Needles

Lol. Why the sorry deck tag?

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Posted 21 February 2015 at 16:52

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Most of it will probably be obviously silly or naive regarding the synnergies and mechanics because of my noobness :)

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Posted 21 February 2015 at 17:01

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You might not have a great understanding of the game, but a noob doesn't build a deck like this. Since you are not big on tokens, might try moving spectral to the sideboard and putting unmake in its place (can trigger mimic.)

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Posted 21 February 2015 at 17:40

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haha okay, maybe noob isn't the right word :) hope i can make up for the lack of experience soon though, the game grasped me, so to speak.
spectral being the spirit cards? unmake being 'unmake the grave'? i think i have some of those, but thought endless obedience was a better card, being one that doesn't descriminate between graves, also, could gravedigger be a helpful card in that sense? not sure what mimic means, but does that imply copying monsters on the board?
that does seem interesting!
i'll look further into it, thanks!

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Posted 21 February 2015 at 18:56

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I was using shorthand so to speak. Spectral procession, nightsky mimic and *unmake were the cards I mentioned.

http://www.mtgvault.com/card/unmake/EVE/

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Posted 21 February 2015 at 19:06

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pfff xD okay, sorry, i kinda forgot the names of those cards :'3 read to much into hidden meanings and stuff :v

okay, yeah that does sound like something useful! but i do have a lot of removals on hand and switching out the spectrals takes a chunk out of my creature pump, so i'll have to review that a little :o

thanks for the suggestion though :)

Edit:
Beckon Apparition would also be a viable option methinks :v looks like it could work well with the harsh sustenance nuke

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Posted 22 February 2015 at 01:20

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Harsh Sustenance is not really fitting as a playset, 3 or 2 of would be better. The main reason is the fact that it requires creatures so it never goes out on curve and ends up doing nothing for a few turns when if it was some other spell you would play it. I would replace 1 Sustenance with Unmake and 1 more with Glorious Anthem or something else of your choice, Souls of the Faultless for example.
Through I would cut it completly.
Replace Doomed Traveler with vault skirge or Mourning Thrull, they make more sence in your deck imo. The traveler is more of an aggro/token card while the lifelinkers are midrange cards, your deck is a midrange deck at heart, through the enchantments give it a really nice twist,plus I'm really into black enchantments.
Sin collector and blind hunter can work in this deck. Not the best ones through.
If you go with one or the other I think adding 1 more mimic is a good idea, he can work EXTREMELY well in certain decks.

Besides that this deck is really good, like really really good for someone who has 3 weeks of experience.
The thing I would do if I owned it would be cutting 4 Harsh Sustenance in favor of 1 obzedat, 1 unmake, 1 mimic and 1 Souls of the Faultless. And 3 Doomed Traveler for 3 Mourning Thrull or vault skirge. And that is what I recommend you do.
That would make it fully focused on 1 thing, consistant and both capeable of winning instantly and playing a slow grindy game. And would just turn it into something really well built.

Now for the sb, you built in nicely, it has graveyard hate, combo/control distrubtion, more threats and Exquisite Blood.
The only thing I don't like is Zealous Persecution, maybe it works for you idk but 1 more Castigate, and some enchantment destruction like disenchant or demistify as a 2 of would be better.

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Posted 22 February 2015 at 11:59

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deck
Creatures
okay so i cut out Doomed Traveler for Mourning Thrull, this has only a slight impact on the mana curve but it's a lifelink flying creature, in stead of a conditional spirit token, so i'm happy with that. (also, extra trigger for Mimic?)
Instants
switched 2 harsh sustenance for another faultless and a 4th Mimic, i kept in 2 of the Harsh sustenance purely because it seems like a nice lifegain nuke in matches that drag out, it's not too expensive for something that damages the oponent directly and gains health at the same time, could also come in handy to get rid of creatures, maybe.. i understand why you would cut it though, it's probably 10 times more useful in token decks with a massive amount of creatures. it is however also a trigger for mimic (right?) being black and white, so he's got that going for him.. but i guess unmake does that trick as well,
it's one of my first cards, basically built the deck for that card haha, and i'm stubborn when it comes to killing my darlings i guess :)

i could cut them and go for an extra unmake/ obzedat, put the harsh sustenance in the sideboard and drop either utter end or castigate completely, then i can still say i have them in my deck and not have them mess with the format :V hehe..

sb
speaking of those, i'm not sure about Utter end and castigate, they basically do the same thing, only castigate is cheaper but more of a gamble. (i'm not that good at poker, so i'm not a star in reading when someone has something great in his hand)
Zealous was a fillercard really, cut him as soon as i could.

i might have to look for a board clear of some sort, just to be sure? the only thing i have in that regard at the moment is In Garuk's Wake, and thats a CMC 9, so a big no-no, although i would listen to an argument for it being an effective late-game clear.

something like bloodgift demon would be nice aswell, since it's a pretty slow draw to get to the good stuff..

again, apreciate the effort! great suggestions as always :>

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Posted 22 February 2015 at 12:47

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If the curve bothers you just play vault skirge, you can play that on turn 1 and paying 2 life isn't that big of a deal.
I understand that cutting a card you love is hard, I try to fit epochrasite into every single deck(seiosly, EVERY SINGLE DECK). But often, almost always I have to cut it.
castigate is much different than utter end, castigate allows you to get rid of things in their hand. So after game 1 or by knowing the deck you are up against you know what to expect and castigate allows you to distrubt the game plan of that deck. Getting rid of an important combo piece or a card that their deck might need or cards your deck doesn't want to go up against is gamechanging(that's why thoughtseize is 20 bucks). It also gets rid of creaures with protection, hexproof, shroud. Allows you to see their hand. And most of all gets rid of cards your deck can't handle like board wipes or combo cards that would kill you. So sb castigate not utter end. It's a black white form of counterspell, preventing the spell from being cast.
And trust me there is always a good card to take.

For bloodgift demon, yes you need to draw in this deck as well but in many games the amout of life you have means that you don't need to draw answers so frequently. Plus palace siege gives you somewhat of a card advantage. But I'd consider sideboarding bloodgift demon over Spectral Procession or battle brawler maybe? it gives you cards and swings for 5 in the air.

You don't need a board wipe like In Garuk's Wake , your lifeagain, Souls of the Faultless, mimic surprise blocks and 8 removal spells are just good enough.
Aslo sb depends on the decks you run up against the most or decks that give you the hardest time. So if you can't beat control for example you want something that beats control like sin collector or castigate or more threats they have to deal with.

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Posted 22 February 2015 at 13:57

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valid points about castigate! not sure if i want to have more than 2 bloodgift demons though, still a 5cmc, it might be a replacement for sanguine, replacing the amp for better draws.. (come to think about it, all replacements are situational) might have to seriously consider replacing Harsh for the sin collector you're talking about.. control/discard decks scare the living bleep out of me :v but i think castigate is a nice start in that sense though..
might ditch battle brawler and get 1 more of each of the others

sidenote, i think not throwing anything on the field at turn 1 might not be that big of a deal.. most decks i see here don't "go off" at turn 1 anyway :v

i'm thinking the lingering souls can also get substituted by something that has more synnergies with the deck.. since the rest is a pretty solid fit at the moment, going to look into that, although 4 flying creatures for 5 cmc isn't all that bad.. specially when it sortof cicumvents discard plays.. and it boosts the lifegain from vault and sorin.

the deck feels a lot more solid then my first try though! good feeling about it.

i think it might be time to think about how i use my sidedeck for problems i could encounter..
i could have sin collector and maybe an archfiend of depravity or two sit in my wallet, switch them into my SD when i'm ready to say bye to Harsh or battlebrawler

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Posted 22 February 2015 at 15:31

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