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Hey guys, just wanted to know what you guys were going to do with the new M13 core set. I personally think its going to boost white weenie exponentially in standard and that is probably what I will be running with at FNM's. Also a weird mill deck could jump in somehow, theres a few cards for it. I'm just now getting back into magic after sitting out nearly all of Innistrad block because I wasn't too interested in it. Hoping Ravnica will be just as amazing as I am hoping for, although I heard a rumor the guilds may not be back in it >.>
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well, if we go into storyline, Dissension was in referrence to the dissension of the guilds. i thought only a few remained afterward. although with the addition of Fog Bank and Augur of Bolas, i see Mono-Blue Talrand Control being exceedingly effective, and could even see remnants of old R/U tempo strategies arise from Chandra's Fury and Thundermaw Hellkite. Though the genuine all-star of M13 imo is Thragtusk- that thing is INSANE. ETB and LTB that all make up for it NOT being a 5 power beatstick that PUKES green card-advantage? i dunno, but my foretelling sees top tier decks Restoration Angel-ing/Cloudshifting that BAMF.
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Mono blue talrand would be a personal favorite of mine to run, hadn't even thought of it. Blue is my personal favorite control color, although M13 didn't add too much control cards. And thragtusk? That's just gonna be a booster for my friends stupid stompy deck >.<. I still do see white weenie being near the top, I havn't looked much into the other current standard blocks but my friends played a very aggressive white weenie in FNM and won, seems as though this is just going to boost it without harming it much due to the lowering of Mirrodin
personally i run the W/r humans in standard. i think scars leaving is gonna hurt it bad. no more hero of blade hold :| i really dont think m13 brought in anything to really really help hero leaving. there is odric that im considering. but im not sure yet.
Well, I threw together a R/U Chandra and Talrand burn/control deck as well as a U Illusion Mill deck (link below). But I think that door to nothingness will be seeing some use. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=359061 http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=358846
I'm loving the soldier theme that came with odrics deck. Pairing cards like captains call and captain of the watch with avacyn restored's cathars' crusade is so amazing. Here's what I did with it if you feel like checking it out. :) http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=358916
I wish war falcon wasn't limited by its effect. A nice 1 drop 2/1 flyer. A good addition to a deck like that.
I love that card. I was debating throwing in doomed traveller just to have a turn 2 drop to make the falcon able to attack... Does that seem like a good idea?
Door to nothingness will have a use but i doubt we see it played much unless there is a way to abuse it. and omg talrand/burn? amazing idea my friend!!!
I am planing on making 2 DtN decks, both standard, 1 for multi-player. I would use mana ramp land search to get out Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger and use his effect for DtN. And for multi-player games I would thow elbrus into the mix.
The new card Boundless Realms would most likely grab all the rest of the colors you need for the door.
@ gaspartacus, doomed traveler and the falcon would be a good way to put it to use, especially if u can put in some crusades or something annoying like that. Another white card I personally like is armored warhorse, 2 mana for a 2/3 is pretty nice to have
Thanks, I'll probably swap out my attended knights for the traveller. Hopefully by the time he dies I'll have a crusader of odric out to keep the falcon aloft
when I go back and look into some cards i'll give you any ideas I find if any
Just picked up 4 elite inquisitors. First strike and vigilance for 2 is waaay better for me than the traveler :D
well, the travelers could make their own use, spawning flyers. a lot of people don't really prep against flyers for some reason
And that's where the falcon comes into play. With cathars crusade I can have impenetrable ground defense And a little falcon at 8/8 flying over every turn. :)
lol looks like somebodys put some thought into this
Reminds me of the time I was playing 2HG at FNM. My opp swung with a 20/20 sigarda when we were at 20 life. No one on my side had a flyer, but I had a doomed traveler out and a go for the throat in my hand. You see where this is going. We still ended up losing, but we had fun doing it.
Sounds like a fun match kjsj3, almost as good as my best 2hg story ;) it was 30 to 9 and we were losing. I was playing naya aggro and squiggy_b was playing grixis control. The other guys were running gw creatures and br control. We held out for 15 turns with no damage done, then I played a hamletback goliath, and squiggs played a tricks of the trade on it. To our delight, they had already used all of their kill spells, so their only hope was creatures, which just made it bigger. First attack on our side was an unblockable 13/13. Next turn, 16 damage from me, and squig used a searing spear for game. That was a great day xD the goliath became one of my favorite cards, IMO the best rare red creature in the set. :)
haha my favorite 2hg game ended up being a 2v1 estentially xD my opponents were playing r/g aggro and w/r humans. my friend played b/u control and i was playing mono green elves. my friend got mana screwed the whole game. while my opponents werent able to stop my mana ramp to easy. but we had to keep taking the damage because i could lose my ramp. they got us down to like 5. i ended up with like 5 random elves 4 token elves and i had 2 elvish arch druids out. top decked 1 of my genisis waves. casted it for like G/G/G/43. i basically put my library into play haha. used nisa's +1 gain 2 life for each elf you control. next turn i put out my eldrazi monument and won the game.
Nice. It was one sided for us and not in our favor. We were using a B/W token deck with a B/R vampire. They were using a G/W mana ramp human angel and a U/B zombie. I didn't get out an fliers and my friend got mana screwed. If she had had one more mana we could have one. The sad thing is her next card was a land.
Here are the decks that we used. They could use some tweaking. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=284883 Vamp. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=333150 Token.
black green beatdown might work pure green doesnt really work or green white token lifegain could work as well and im talking about decks that have pure m13 cards nothing from past sets
possibly, i cant remember all the cards off the top of my head but ajani is be put nicely into a W/G lifegain mix
i have a feeling Return to ravnica would concentrate on mainly on black,red and blue. starting with RtR depicting Niv-Mizzet(R/U) & Jace(U) as cover boys and Magic13 was centralized on bolas. so i think i would starting Grixis deck
I would be fine with that, I just want mono U control to come back into the scene :(
judging by Niv, jace and Bolas has Blue on them we can expect some great Blue cards to support their flavor in Ravnica. not that the other colors would receiving Bad cards but i they maybe would only decent at best... just like G on M13.
I'm making a Exalted Standard deck for FNM. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=361448
ah yes, I think B/W exalted is going to be an interesting mix for people to play.
Anyone have any ideas to abuse door to nothingness? I was thinking mana ramp land search with voriclex, voice of hunger. I think elves might slowly be coming back. Also, what do people think about the card homicidal seclusion. I don't really like it even though I made a deck around it. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=361232
I love homicidal seclusion. If you have a creature with something like "sacrifice a creature: this card gets+ 2/+2 until the end of the turn" you can attack with like 10 and lifelink in one turn. In a black and blue version you can even make that 10 lifelink unblockable... I also have a deck around it, feel free to click on my name and check it out.
Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=361270 Here's my BILL NYE THE SCIENCE GUY deck! Would love the help on it!
This is how M13 has effect Boros Human Decks: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=362139 ^^ check my build
do any1 understand why they reprinted prey upon it really makes no sense what so ever to reprint that card so close to its original printing
new@@ petition for likes!!! let me know what you think http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=361996
I want to make a stuffy doll / creepy doll deck but I am still working out the flaws at the moment. Can't wait to be able to play stuffy doll standard again :).
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=361761 and http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=361864 is my 2 tries at it so far if you got any subjection let me know :).
So far ive settled on green as one of the colors ill be playing. Something about thragtusk and rancor being standard again just gives me chills, and i dont usually run green. Id love to do monogreen, ideally. And if that falls through, green/blue talrand using mana ramp and draw spells to poop out drakes each time sounds fun, though it lacks removal. Ive also been very interested in wild defiance as a deck center. Any ideas all? Ive never really played standard in my 5 or 6 years of playing and m13 and rtr seem like a really fun time to get into it.
I think M13 is kind of preparing for Return to Ravnica, i hope to god I can run a U/W or U/B deck in that when it comes out. I didnt't start playing til eldrazi times, so I missed the first ravnica cycle, I hope i can live through the good times.
yeah, that U/G would be nice ramp with talrand, but I personally hate that farseek card, its a rampant growth that cant get forests? wtf?
and yes, talrand is going to be so abused for awhile.
You forget about the ravnica shock lands. They are 2 land types at once, (blood crypt is a mountain swamp) and a such can be tutored by farseek.
Itll be grabbbing those ravnica duel lands theyll be reprinting!!! (Hopefully)
ah, I never actually got to play with those :( i may get my chance :D
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Second best duel lands in the game. The shock lands were excellent.somebody correct me if im wrong, but i think with the way theyre worded(id have to check) you could pay the 2 life to untap them when farseek puts it into play, unless it being "put into play tapped" circumvents that. Be cool if it worked.
i will be running a Disciple of bolas-centered deck and useful artifacts. check it out!!!!! CHECK THIS DECK YOU WONT REGRET IT http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=362155
also an interesting concept
Thanks for replying!! Any suggestions for mana-curve/what to add/take out?
seems a little weird, I personally can't judge a deck to much without seeing it in action. but the lichs seem unnecessary since your artifacts sacrifice themselves when used.
yah but i wouldnt use them until they actually need to be sac'ed. In case of an o-ring or any point in the game
I'll be running uw soldier control. I'm liking it a lot. Didn't lose a match last friday, and very seldomly a game. I think two-three game loss out of about 12 matches is pretty good. :] http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=350391
jesus, expensive much? lol
That depends on your point of view. I make about 1 deck a month that is a quarter of the price of this one. I doubt I'll have another deck this nice for a while, haha.
i just got a bunch of the new 2013 cards and i can say now that the black cards seem to be going towards more living now i havent put up my new deck yet but i do agree with you the whites seem to also be growing in power good thing though i thought they needed to be strengethend even though i do not use white my myself
white was aggressive even before M13, thats what my friends mainly played were aggressive white weenie decks, it was so annoying.
Here is what i think of M13 BW exalted if anyone could take a look I will be happy to return the favor on any deck you link Thanks!!! http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=360976
Mono Black for m13!!!!!!!!!!! HAS POTENTIAL, will return the favor!! http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=362259
Mono black will have its advantages with murder, the new ramping liliana, and the demons from avacyn
Yeah currently I'm working on a Talrand Mill deck, make tokens and mill the opponent out. It's working quite well but it needs some adjustments so if anyone has any suggestions feel free to look. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=362083
Wizards has announced that the guilds will be back, so no worries.
link??? im curious
A link would be nice. :]
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1016
I completely agree Phan7asm, i personally have a white weenie deck that i run, ive changed it a bit, so check it out!! its on my deck list but its not updated. I also drew an Ajani, Liliana, Chandra and lilianas token for my first box c:
mail me that liliiana? I'll send back a garruk :3
Could I get the Chandra? JK.
If anyone cares to check, I've got a couple ideas that I have been working on with the new set: USA Mill: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=359896 Token Exalted: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=362343 Please let me know what you think, I always welcome criticisms :)
M13 has brought in some NICE additions to my B/w Vampire Bleed deck. :D Not only that, but my BF and I are working on resurrecting my Taps deck and I'm seriously considering building a mono-green stompy (Rancor, how I love you...) Overall, I was very happy with this set. ^_^ I like the mini themes and the inclusion of some Ravnica AND Innistrad creatures/characters.
I'm looking forward to the ramp in black with M13 and the demons from innistrad, its going to be lovely :P
Indeed, actually. Mono-black ramp, who'da thunk?
What about Mono-Red ramp with krenko? I think it's possible. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=368704
What is/are the most annoying deck(s) you can make for standard before it rotates? Have fun with it. This is what I came up with. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=362594 http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=362394
The guilds will indeed return. Five of them in return to ravnica, and the second set, gatecrash, will have the other five. Apparently the third set will have all ten at once. Also, there is art up in the various spoiler sites, and some of it looks like computer animation. as for m13, here is my build thus far: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=359540
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=362918
This is my new deck i just created it has a huge amount of ramp and a really good win condition check it out and leave a few comments please. Some help with the side board would be great. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=363333
All I need to say is that... Rancor is the most OP card in M13. Please comment on my desperatly deprived commented deck here. Thanks. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=361601
The cards I'm liking are Jace's Phantasm, Talrand, Sky Summoner and Jace himself. I feel you can make a control deck to summon drakes with each control spell while forcing a grave on your opponent with Mind Sculpt for your 1 drop Phantasms.
Gee, its too bad the whole point of mill is to kill not through general damage, or I'd like Phantasm. Jace has been around us long enough that we know he's not good outside mill. Talrand is ok, but he's not very good when you consider the fact that you have to drop him behind protection, or he dies right away (unless you use phyrexian mana spells).
Goblins and Dragons with Krenko? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=363485
So far, I've seen a ton of love for the new Blue/White cards above. But how much love did they actually get? Odric is the only thing white gets (not even as good as hero), Ajani is overrated (and already dropping in price), and Blue is probably the second worst off color this set (other than red). No Leak, no Snag, no Ponder, no good Blue. Talrand is overrated, and Negate/Essence scatter will NEVER (don't pretend) replace Mana Leak, and Ponder is the best cantrip in standard right now and isn't coming back. However, that said, Auger of Bolas is AMAZING. There may be no game-changing blue in Return to Ravnica (even with Jace), since Wizards MIGHT have learned their lesson with Delver, Snapcaster, and JTMS over the past 2 rotations. The overall best color in the new set, from my perspective at least, is Green. I think Green got away with so much love in M13. Now, this may not be to obvious, but the best reprint in the set is Rancor (again, don't pretend), and Thragtusk is absurd. White won't be bad, per say, just unplayable in mono-white form. The best white card (if not the best overall) in standard is Restoration Angel, but it wants other colors to be with it. Until rotation, there are too many playable boardwipes in standard (Mutilate, BSZ, Bonfire, Whipflare, Slagstorm, and Day of Judgement) for White Weenies to work very well. Don't get me wrong, I think white is pretty much the most playable color in Standard, just not by itself, and the new white cards are pretty lackluster.
Check out my standard pro deck if you want some tips and ideas: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=351792
Hey Guys, im just wondering what FNM is like? Cos i've never been but always wanted to see what its like lol Here's a link to a deck with this question as my main part? if anyone could give me any info on FNM i'd be really grateful =] http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=363902
FNM is an amazing place to play, meet new people and different types of decks as well as hone your skill and get access to more, better cards that others have. Be warned though, if your going to your first one your going to play some really good people more than likely =\. I got stomped at my first FNM bad lol but I learned a bit since I went. You wil enjoy it :D
I have a question, the M13 ," Battle of Wits" card, I don't understand it at all. Can someone tell me how you could use it?
I have asked myself the same question and apprently you just have to have a 200 card deck...
No guilds! Whats Ravnica without the Guilds? :(
The guilds are in ravnica, here is a video of wizards talking about it http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ52J0i1zp0
i have a question about the edh format. are there any rules on what era of cards are legal or not like in standards and modern format that you could play. or the edh decks have to be in a certain era of the game.