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...or here... :) FNM(2012, october 19./Budapest) 1st round: Jund aggro... 2-0 2nd round: Azorius control... 2-0 3rd round: Esper spirits... 2-0 4th round: Selesnya populate... 2-0 5th round: Grixis control... 2-1 Final round: Naya aggro/populate... 2-1 Finished: 1st :) Standard(2012. october) Azorius control Updated again(2012. october 15.)... Now Cyclonic Rift & Azorius Charm expecially, but also Detention Sphere, Lyev Skyknight & Oblivion ring each serves even as a path - cleaner for Geist of Saint Traft... Suggestions?..
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Instead of Cyclonic Rift?.. May be?.. It's not a bad card & with Isperia & Entreat, it could be effective... THX!
I second this recommendation. just add 1 in instead of maybe a supreme verdict since you already have so much board control, and one you start dropping your angels its a heart breaker to clear the board. They come in handy early if you can drop it for its miracle to get a head start and beat your opponent to dropping your finisher, or just to establish board control. And obviously late game you can drop it to give yourself the extra turn to land the finishing blow, or just use it to wipe the board and you get the first turn to set up instead of them
THX for your suggestion! :) I know that combo, Hayne used to do that & it's devastating... Still, I don't think I need that, 'cuz my victory with this deck doesn't depend on speed, only that I control the board, avoid weakening spells & keep my finishers alive... 1 would be good, but at this point, I don't think I could drop anything to insert it...
Supreme Verdict followed up with Isperia could do some serious damage but what happens if you don"t draw her. This deck might need another finisher...
The other finisher is "Entreat the Angels" :) ... ...& it's much effective, than Isperia...
Pretty good but do you think you could stop this: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=392216 The second I see blue/white I would slaughter games out for one of the following (terminus, entreat, dissipate, supreme verdict), since I get to search I would know what my next slaughter games target would be. Even if a deck had none of the listed, they are the most active blue/white threats that I can think of right now in standard so I would focus on one of them first, probably terminus (I hate that card).
Very solid I don't know what I would do against this deck if you pulled entreat the angels The only thing ill say is I'm not really feeling Isperia perhaps an angel of serenity over her or 1 of each (while I like consistency in my low drops I find finisher to be easier to run 1 of's and 2 of's helps stop a perfect solution to your bomb)
Thanx! U were helpful! :)
Why not consider Rest in Peace in your sideboard?
I would agree, there is a lot of graveyard based decks at this time and that card will completely break those decks.
True... THX! I'll do that...
Loooots of control over here. I see your main idea is to detain/exile/kill things till you get isperia out (or entreat the angels with some mana). The only problem I see is that you are very vulnerable to the removals of those tanks. I would also use something to reuse my Azorius Justiciar, when the match is advanced. If you can check my Azorius deck, I am in need of advice: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=390653
Hey! I would go with this deck on FNM. Since you got alot of control already I would suggest Avacyn, Angel of Hope instead of Angel of Serenity. Or remove one Dissipate. Good luck :)
THX 4 YO opinion! :) May be U R right, but Avacyn's might be too big... It would get discarded... It also could easily get exiled... If U have any suggestions for my other decks I've sent, just share your thoughts!.. :)
I hate control decks, so I have no advice for you there, but I sure do love the title!
Thanks for your honesty, man! :) I also used to hate control when I played Elves in 2002-2003 :)
wow. uber control. would put up a good fight against my deck. everyone go check mine out. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=394581
Thanx for the positive feedback, but would U mind sharing what would U change in it?.. I really don't like spammers... U leave a short, meaningless, but up-sucking comment, than post a link & say: "Everyone, go check mine!!" That was amusing...
If you don't like spammers, you could just delete their comments. You have that authority since it's your deck. I must say I like the deck. I would probably drop the evolving wilds. You have plenty of sources of each color. I would drop that and one index for a couple think twice since you have no card draw at the moment.
Play this deck for fnm
I got the same suggestion from about everyone & I pretty much feel the same... ...so I will... THX!
I really like the deck. I am currently working on something simular. The only thing I would do is drop 1 Lyev Skyknight and 1 Entreat the Angels for 2 Geist of Saint Traft's. He is an amazing early game card and he forces your opponent to change up his game strat. Nice deck though +1 from me.
Thanx!.. :) The deck is quite different now... If U got here again, tell me what U think of the new concept!..
I don't know if anyone said this yet, but slaughter games isn't a big deal, you have counter spells.... Help with sideboard maybe? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=387693
Ugh, hello? Slaughter games can't be countered...
Slaughter Games is the only weakness for this deck... Mizzium Mortars could be messy too, but I could easily counter it... Tho, Even the Skyknight could be a finisher, so I'm not that woulnurable to the Games... I'm gonna' add Geist of aint Traft tho, 'cuz I need some more creatures... May be taking out my big creatures, or only 1 of tham... ...The 1 I take out should be Isperia... ...& an Oblivion Ring, may be a Charm, or Rift, or Dissipate... We'll C... :) THX for the suggestions!..
For some strange reason, Witchbane Orb pops into my head. It might be useful. Since the field is clear most of the time, the only thing I could see working is burn,mill,etc..., but if you have hexproof... Maybe take out (sb) dissipate and moorland haunt and add 2 orbs.
Is your deck inspired by Alexander Hayne's Hallelujah deck?
No... ...but my ever most succesful standard deck "Havenfire" was inspired by Hayne's... That deck won me 12 FNM-s(7 without the loss of a game) in 5 dufferent locations in 2 different countries & a Grand Prix... Tho, it's 4 colors, not just W/U... http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=343423
And also as many people have mentioned, the deck is could get ruined by a slaughter games because you're highly reliant on entreat the angels, i would recommend putting some Geist of Saint Trafts in there because they can deal some good early damage and are hexproof so they are safe from control
Oh, and im personally a fan of Snapcaster Mages if you want to add them in. Just take 4 cards of your deck that you have 4 copies of replace one of each with a snapcaster mage since they essentially can become that spell anyways. It also allows you to reuse your entreat the angels even if you're forced to board wipe, and is a flash blocker to fool your opponent into thinking your defenseless, and is a quick 2 drop if you think your opponent is going to play passive control. A lot of times people are hesitant to blow a spell like pillar of flame or a detention sphere that have the potential to kill multiple creatures on a single 2/1, so you might be able to sneak a few quick hits in to take some pressure off of laying down you're big drops
Sorry to spam replies, but im just kinda posting new ideas as they come. You're deck got me thinking about a bunch of stuff, its really cool! Here's my final take on the deck (havent done the sideboard yet) http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=395213
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YO! THX for your suggestions! :) Snapcaster would be kinda' useless here... ...won't do much... Tho, the Geist is considerable... Slaughter Games is the only weakness to this deck... Well... May be Mizzium Mortars also for a bit, but I would counter it easily... I'm not relying much on Entreat the Angels, cuz even Lyev Skyknight could also be a finisher, not mentioning my 2 big creatures wich could be taken out by a single removal, but if U play it at the right time U won't have any problems... I'm gonna' take your advice & put in some Geasts... THX aqgain! :) Regarding Slaughter games... ...if U have the time, here is my Grixis conzrol: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=391163
the problem u will have is thragtusk. this is way too much removal and not enough of your own win conditions...resto angels are really important id run 4 resto 4 lieve skynight as a minimum for creatures..that way ur angels can block the tokens thragtusk leaves behind
Thragtusk is not a problem, since I play Terminus, Supreme Verdict, Detention Sphere, Oblivion Ring, Cyclonic Rift & Azorius Charm... The tokens won't stay for long enough :) ... U R right... I have just about not enough creatures, so I'll fix the problem... THX!..
grats on top deck :) looks like a wonderful deck :)
THX, my man! :)
sigh i should change my name to MRS DRAVEN74 LOL and you are welcome honey
Oups, sorry!.. :) It seems I have a little sexist side of mine... Living in a fantasy world wich in every person who goes without a face are male... :)
lol you are fine..... the shadow figure is male looking anyway stupid icon.... wish i could change it somehow LOL keep on keeping butt hon
YO! IT'S THE POETMASTER!.. I HAVE TWO OTHER DECKS I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH IN PERFECTING... IF ANY1 MIND TO HELP ME OUT, PLEASE, SHARE YOUR SUGGESTIONS!.. THX! Grixis control: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=391163 B/G/U Zombies: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=393748
Use Syncopate on main istead of dissipate.
R U sure?.. Syncopate with X=2 is the same cmc as Dissipate & it's still not uncondicional... I understand, that U could use it by spending 2 mana & at times, it's enough, but not in the late game it isn't... Do I have any other reason to use it instead of Dissipate?..
Now this is a little out of left field but I was wondering if you though of putting a Tamiyo or two in the deck. Main or side. The lock down effects she would have would be great, not to mention the draw effect with any tapped creatures. It would be a far day when you could get her ultimate off but it would sill be a great late game changer. Try running with one less Entreat and Index and two Tamiyo's in the main board. Another idea if you're going to have the Skyknights in play, would be to put in some Cloudshifts or Ghostly Flickers. That way you can block and then detain in response for the next couple turns. Again ideas. You use em as you see fit.
I'd put maximum 1 Tamiyo in this1 & rather remove an Oblivion Ring... The idea is good... I have thought of it, but considered Tamiyo a little bit slow... I have to think on this... Skyknight is better in this deck, than it is in others & I don't need the flickers & I can't even insert any... The Skyknight is 3 copies of 16 cards total that could clean the way for the Geist... There is Cyclonic Rift & Azorius Charm to instantly remove the blocker & there is Detention Sphere, Oblivion Ring & Lyev Skyknight for the same priority... Also... With this much control, Lyev could also finish the game at some point as a flyer with power 3... Thanx again, I'll highly reconsider Tamiyo!..
If your focus for the sky knight is the detention, you may wish to swap them for inaction injunction. 1U sorcery does the same thing and draws you a card. If you could also comment on my deck (might give yours a run for it's money) http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=390062 . I would appreciate it.
i know this is azorius control but whats control without delver? :P
I play quite some mass removal... ...& my creatures R most also control "orientated"... Delver would do nothing for this deck... What do U think I could drop for it... Read deck discirption carefully, check the conception closely, than post your updated opinion!.. ...sorry for being a lil' bit rude... ...I'm feeling a little drunk, so don't commit duecide!.. :)
I love the deck, I'm just not sure about Geist as a finisher in control. Unless you control the board 100%, he won;t get through and your sweeper's kill him. Another thing, I realize the potential of Index to set up miracles, but I think you need another way to draw cards. Most of the time Azorius Charm will be better served as removal than draw. Think twice maybe?
When I attack with Geist & the opponent blocks it, I use the Charm, or Rift to get the blocker out of combat... I can also use Sphere, Ring & Lyev beforehand, if it's enough to take possible blockers out at sorcery speed... After I cast a mass removal, I play the Geist, or Entreat... I play 4 Geists & they R legendary... It's usually not a problem to lose 1 or 2 :) If I get really blocked up, by the opponent using Slaughter Games, Mizzium Mortars(without me able to counter it), &/or other kind of mass removal spells along with single removal, I can still finish the game by using Moorland Haunt... It's because I also use quite some mass removal & the opponent will not be able to have enough creatures out in the late game, 'cuz I still can detain/remove tham... 1Lyev, or some spirits by Haunt is enough in that case... :) The spell I'm missing here could be Feeling of Dread, that also could get blockers out of the way for Geist at instant speed...
I would use this on FNM. Just getting back to you XD
Very good, not sure how I would improve this. A few thoughts below: Might be tempted to include a Favorable Winds/Intangible Virtue, since it puts ur angels out of reach of mortars. Would also be tempted with inaction injunction, although not so good to draw more when playing miracle heavy, which this is. But with 4 indexes, shouldn't remove too miracle opportunities. Would prob include an intrepid hero also, maybe in favour of one of the lyevs.
I've also considered Winds & Virtue, but I don't really need tham... I can counter Mortars... If the enemy playes it, I side in about all my counters & keep at least 1 for an overlord M & M ... :) Nice thinking tho... Thanks!
THIS WEEK ON FNM, I'M USING THIS DECK AT A LOCATION CLOSE TO MINE... I GIVE MY GRIXIS TO A FRIEND TO PLAY AT OUR LOCATION TOMAROW... ...since theese R the 2 decks of mine that R competative & also perfected/almost perfected...
Very nice control deck! I have always wanted to populate with geist of saint traft. I also love the new skyknight. 3/1 for three is so underrated. I think you will like my standard deck. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=394875
Man... This is the 4th time I C this deck & the 3rd time U link it to me... I allready told U twice, that I've seen it... :) The only comment there is also mine...
Ouch! ETA! Nice finisher....I like it. I dont work with blue that often, could use some help with my Azorius Deck. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=395769
It's been about 4 years now, since I last played formats other than standard... I don't think I could help much with your modern... However... I'm going to make a modern deck, that I would use on the next pro - tour, if I was qualificated :) ... I'll start a discussion, where everyone can post modern decks that he/she would enter with ... Doesn't have to be a deck that's already built 100%... :)
I really like this deck. The only think I feel like your missing is Righteous Blow, Im a huge fan. It's slightly less powerful in the metagame since delver isn't top tier anymore, but it is still very effective against all the creature based decks out there
I'm glad this and your other decks are not in my meta. This deck would have laughed at mine (also azorius control, but more creature based.) Congratz on the win. Stop making me feel like a noob, powerless and weak(even though I kind of am a noob).
Thank U for your honesty & respect!.. Don't be frustrated!.. When it comes to lyrics, rhymes, rhythm/flow, deliverance & MTG tournament decks, I'am a perfectionist... :) My location & the places I go to R highly competative, so that is why I make decks like that...
Hey, could you check out my friend's vampire deck? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=284883. You have seen it before, but with the change in standard some of the cards had to be taken out. This past fnm she took 17th. I want her deck to be as good as or better than it once was.
I think u should replace Dissipate with Mana Leak, coz it has a lower mana cost than Dissipate? Don't worry about exiling things, coz u have a rest in peace in ur sideboard anyways and its also a low mana cost.
Mana Leak is not standard legal, but Thanks for the idea!.. :) If it was legal, I'd use it instead...
repalce the skyknight with snapcaster. also index is bad card advantage you -1 yourself and can't even put anything on the bottom that you don't want to draw. Maybe think twice to replace it. after you flashback it is a +1. As a control deck you want to +1 at all times (card advantage)
The Snapcaster won't be bad for re-playing RIft & Charm, but with the curve of my spells, it't not worth it... Think Twice is fine with Miracles, but I 1st need at least 4 cards that I could adjust the drowing... ...to make me able to draw mirackes, when I need 'em... Lyev is great at assisting Gheist & also a flyer with power 3... Thanks for your suggestions tho!.. :)
>Liked. Very nice. HELP with mine? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=397954
Another very well put together deck Poet. Please feel free to comment on some of my lastest standard decks.
In which situations would you add in the different sideboard cards?
I've seperated this deck already... ...though, I'll explain... Nevermore is expecially against Slaughter Games, but also great against another control deck, that runs few finishers... Negate & the extra Dissipate is when the opponent's key cards are noncreature cards & Dissipate is also good against grave decks... ...I think Rest in Peace is clear... ...Feeling of Dread is good when the opponent playes fast creatures... ...the extra Terminus is also against creature - based decks & expecially good against zombies... ...if you haven't seen my other control decks, that I actually use, than they are on the 6th to 7th pages of my profile: ("Demonic Brilliance", "Crusade for Freedom" & "Tamiyo's Revelation")....... :)
Why do you not use this deck anymore? Do the other decks surpass it that much?
I've won once with this, but I were lucky, that I haven't ren into too many Slaughter Games, or Bant decks... :) ...as for my corrent tournament decks, see for your selfe... ...I'm taking the R/U/W(French) Control to FNM today :) ... RUW Control: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=399469 Bant Control: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=402458 (my friend will take this today to another FNM)... Grixis Control: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=391163 B/G/U Zombies/Vraska - unblockable: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=393748 (my other friend takes this today as well to FNM)...