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READ DESCRIPTION FIRST To clear things up, I think that wither is better because WITHER isn't as much of a dick as INFECT is. I know that infect is undeniably the most overpowered thing ever created but you know what? I do not care. I'm looking for HELPFUL COMMENTS to improve the deck, or hell, even some nice compliments, not comments saying how infect is just so good that you want to have wild monkey-sex with it. With that said here the minor combos that are in the deck: Crumbling Ashes + Everything else in the deck = Amazing fun. The above combo just about deals with any big threat thrown at me Necroskitter - steals me some creatures from my opponent Kulrath Knight - let's more damage go through when opponents creatures have counters. Midnight Banshee - completely wrecks non-black creatures. And "Why one Black Sun's Zenith?" you may ask yourself, well yes it is a mass field wipe, however it does give counters to everything, including my creatures, and many of my creatures are rather tiny. So it's more of a last ditch pimp-slap to my opponent. Wow this made the front page. I thought people forgot about it and when I got on BAM it was right there, Thanks everyone :D
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YOU HAVE INCONSISTENCY!!! You are running an infect card!!! JK. :) like the deck. I am always fascinated by the wither VS infect debate. Good showing for wither here. :).
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Yeah I do have an infect card in there, but you probably figured out it's just there for being a 1 drop instant that gives a -1/-1 counter. Thanks for the support :)
No, I was thinking of the 2 drop enchantment.
OH Glistening Oil? yeah I ran out of ideas, it seemed like a good idea at the time. Any ideas for a replacement? Maybe more creatures with wither?
hm... not sure. have you looked at any scarecrows?
Yeah, there were a LOT but none of them really stood out to me as good o add into the deck
how about lockjaw snapper?
or incremental blight? or screams from within? That might help do what the oil did. :)
Ooh I'm liking like screams from within.
I just realized how much fail is in that sentence ^
Lol. That's funny. :)
i like wither but not as much as Ninjutsu.
Infect only has to deal 10 poison counters to a player to win. Wither still has to deal regular combat damage. "Oh! You have 54656 life? Here's that last bit of infect. I win!" Therefore Infect > Wither
That right there is the precise reason Infect is quite annoying, TOO powerful and no fun to fight against.
Are you kidding me? Infect is only held by 1/1 and 1/2 creatures. You know how hard it is to hit an opponent with 10 infect? If you lose to infect regularly, you need to rethink your life
that is not true, and besides, creatures can be pumped via spells and other ways, and infect an turn really nsty really fast.1 and 2 mana cards can make a whole lot of difference on a timetable for a win. there are infect decks that can win by turn 3-5. not because it has the biggest beefiest creatures, but because it can have speed.
Sbsmith, I lose to infect because I have friends who are very good at making decks, sorry to burst your bubble but I don't lose regularly to infect but it's just really annoying to play against when I do. Maybe the fact that you don't get owned by it is that the people you've played against suck at making infect. Good example of what happened: turn 1 forest and a Glistener elf, turn 2 forest, 2 ground swells and a mutegenic growth = instant death. Kazzong is right, what infect lacks in power it makes up for with incredible speed and support.
This is pretty solid-pain-in-the-ass-deck. I really love the concept. I'm not sure if it's good to add this to your deck but, maybe Glistening Oil? This deck is good to go though. I have pretty decent infect decks btw. Hope you could check out my 5 color infect deck: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=229022 Budget Infect: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=275409 http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=351121 Others: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=221078 http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=221117 http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=221130 http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=221131 http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=221137
I had glistening oil, but it gave the creature enchanted infect, so it got phased out.
I prefer wither over infect. infect is just way to powerful and until there is more defense against it it wont be much fun. If anything maybe try splicing with green to give you some nasty strengh behind this deck. ALso if you could look at my deck i would appriciate it. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=360057
Awesome deck, I'm not too big of blue/white but that one is pretty awesome.Congratulations,making it to the front page!
I just made a red/black infect deck on the Decked builder app while waiting at the DMV, and i would suggest looking at red for burn with -1-1 counters, there are a lot of them, plus, some of the better infect creatures are red (in my opinion) so even if you don't add any to this deck, you may see some that you like from red wither based and may put it on one later on in your deck buildings.
...And as long as i'm sitting here commenting on other people's decks, it would be lovely to receive some comments on decks of my own. Im currently stuck on my goblin deck with just 7 too many cards! So frustrating, but what are you gunna do? Anywho, if you find that you are bored, or just feel like returning a kindness, please, come out and comment! Thanks! http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=360297
Cool deck. good way to give wither a jump on infect!
Sentences like "Wither is better" amuses the hell out of me. No it's not better. It's an infect without poison counters. Nice deck. I like the possible combos with crumbling ashes.
Well what I mean when i say it's better is that it's not as annoying, I've faced infect that literally killed me on turn 2, and it was quite annoying when everyone I know was like "Hey let's all make infect". That's where I'm coming from saying wither's better. I know it's not really better, but it's less of a dick.
Sure, I will be the first to agree that. Infect is overpowered, is a royal pain in the ass, it's unfair, but for all the reasons we all know, it will always be superior to wither. Playing wither is only a matter of fair play if you ask me. Should you ever play a tournament, would you be worried about infect being overkill? I don't think so. That said, I give you props again for creating an effective and fun to play deck. Sorry I have no real suggestion to make, but the job here is done.
No problem, thanks!
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=209361 It's on here somewhere!
that poem i wrote about wither raping the FAECE of infect.
Haha that's great. xD
If you care to look: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=283878 I passed over screams from within. Really cool stuff. I haven't really changed my deck hardly any since I made it. I need to revise it probably, but it is atill running ok. :]
I hate to sound like a noob, but what is the difference between infect and wither?
the difference is how damage is dealt to players. wither deals normal damage while infect deals damage in the form of poison counters, which you only need 10 of to lose the game, regardless of how much lief you have. The debate about wither orinfect in my opinion is perhaps one of quality or quantity. Infect in and of itelf is as an ability technically morepowerful, but wither has a lot more options to build with. so, it is less limited.
Crumbling ashes <3 nice! Take a look at my BILL NYE the SCIENCE guy deck for me: Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=361270 Id love to hear your thoughts of it
I always love the decks that get Emrakul out and pummel the opponent quickly, they're all creative. Nice deck!
horobi + screams from within = clear opponents board and when you need to get rid of horobi target horobi
Ehhh... I'm pretty sure that's not optional so wouldn't that benefit my opponent too? They could target my creatures and I would have to destroy them with no choice in the matter.
its interesting ill give you that. but wither has nothing on U/G infect! xD http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=360794
See reply to comment below for my response. Again, the point is that wither isn't as much of a dick as infect is.
Can your deck end a game on turn 2? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=357121
Well you see my fine fellow, that's the point. Wither is not a raging %$#@ like infect is, It is quite possible to ACTUALLY have fun whilst playing against wither. I mean really, if you've seen one infect deck you've seen them all, it's all little creatures that you use extensive amounts of low cost spells to pump up.
Your deck does seem fun to play and have more variation in what it does, I'll grant you that. Infect is just quicker.
Thank you, I'm looking for helpful suggestions, not comments declaring the known fact that infect is much more overpowered and speedy, no offense.
Infect can be shut down with card, Melria, whither however cannot. Maybe u could add in Incremental Blight.
Actually, it does shut down whither too. No -1/-1 counters on creatures. They can block, with no fear of dead blockers.
Hey Guys, im just wondering what FNM is like? Cos i've never been but always wanted to see what its like lol Here's a link to a deck with this question as my main part? if anyone could give me any info on FNM i'd be really grateful =] http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=363902
Why is Infect OP? There is no Top8 Modern, Legacy or Vintage Infect deck and in Standard, it will rotate soon. Extended is dead...
Well, here is a link to an example of why infect can be OP. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=365023 It isn't the best infect deck, but it can be very powerful and fast.
As for suggestions, well you have one already in the deck: screams. And my next would be done more proliferate perhaps.
I have a deck similar to this, what I don't understand about this deck is why have Screams from Within in the deck at all? It doesn't put -1/-1 counters on creatures, it just gives them -1/-1 but not in the form of counters.
It kills annoying small things, and doesn't go away when they die. With whither your opponents creatures get small fast, and that makes them killable en masse. Also, some of the most irritating creatures are 1/1, and would die from it. If you have a better card to suggest, other than glistening oil, that would be great.
Nice deck I love playing with wither this is my deck with it. http://www.mtgvault.com/maniacalmaniac/decks/fiery-fate/I'm gonna suggest Nykthos shrine to Nyx and Phyrexian Obliterators in this.