Well that escalated quickly...

It was very nice of him. I did add most of the really expensive lands myself though, like Cradle, Bayou, and V. Catacombs...but still, it was very nice of him.

also maybe you could add primal hunter instead of wildspeaker

Primal hunter is great, don't get me wrong, but in this deck I get a lot out of Wildspeaker. He gives me another Overrun effect (immediately if I play him with Doubling Season out) and getting a second use out of some of the lands in this deck is a huge advantage.

but if you play primal hunter with doubling season and blow him up you get at least 10 6/6 wurm tokens also his +1 gives 3/3s with doubling season

Hrm...I'm gonna have to think about this a bit. Forgot primal also goes off instantly with doubling season....

What it comes down to is what's going to win more often, an overrun or 10+ 6/6s. In this deck I see overrun being the star. Really it's about untapping lands vs drawing cards.

I just found it to be a bit too slow or unreliable. It COULD get huge, but other times it was a bit of a dead draw.

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Why is it not?

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My only guess is he doesn't know about the "Color Identity" rule for EDH, which designates Thelon as Green AND Black versus being mono-green/unplayable.

Same rule makes Rhys the Exiled black/green, Memnarch blue, and Bosh red.

I know the color identity rule, i just thought both symbols in the ability cost were double green (im colour blind and picture is too small to see)

S'all good man.

Read the above comments dude. Color Identity =]

Color identity? These cards don't fit the color identity xD lol

Taken directly from the EDH official rules website.

"903.4. The Commander variant uses color identity to determine what cards can be in a deck with a certain commander. The color identity of a card is the color or colors of any mana symbols in that card's mana cost or rules text, plus any colors defined by its characteristic-defining abilities (see rule 604.3) or color indicator (see rule 204).

Example: Bosh, Iron Golem is a legendary artifact creature with mana cost {8} and the ability "{3}{R}, Sacrifice an artifact: Bosh, Iron Golem deals damage equal to the sacrificed artifact's converted mana cost to target creature or player." Bosh's color identity is red.

903.4a Color identity is established before the game begins.

903.4b Reminder text is ignored when determining a card's color identity. See rule 207.2.

903.4c The back face of a double-faced card (see rule 711) is included when determining a card's color identity."

It helps to know the rules before accusing someone else of not knowing them.

That's not what I see in the rulebooks. You have cards with a different mana symbol then your edh Commander which is illegal to do.

Exert from Wizards.com: "Only cards of the commander’s color(s) and colorless cards may be included in the deck. (Note that split cards and hybrid cards count as all of their colors.) In fact, if a card contains a mana symbol anywhere on it that’s not one of your commander’s colors, you can’t include it in that deck! Within the game, if you would add mana to your mana pool that’s a color not shared by your commander, you get colorless mana instead."

Here is the link for more reassurance: http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=magic/rules/edh

So there's two different rules that contradict each other? Doesn't matter what the color identity is, if it has a mana symbol that's illegal for the deck then it's not a playable deck

Hey DCI Rules Advisor 2 checking in; WotC redirects to the site http://www.dragonhighlander.net/rules.php and it refers to color identity rules, so a ruling about the legality of his deck would be met by checking it against those, leaving it in his favor.

Follow the link on that page that says "(You can read more about their rules here)" and go to where it says 'Deck Construction' under 'Rules'. Read Rule number 3.

EDIT: Damn, Jens...Beat me to it.

I was looking at this deck to see if I could come up with anything that wasn't already thought of for it, and my spidey-senses tingled. By the way, I'd probably play Meddling Mage on Skirsdag High Priest if I saw this deck, I dislike that possibility to that point.

But he has cards with Black mana symbols in the casting cost. That defy's the rules of the whole format. His commander has GG and a card like Necropotence has BBB. BBB is illegal in the deck due to the mana symbol not matching to the commanders color prompt. That's what I was saying was illegal. It says on the website of examples that couldn't be used:

"A deck with Phelddagrif (Casting cost 1UWG) as the Commander may not contain any cards whose colour identity includes red or black.
These cards would all be illegal in a Phelddagrif deck:
Goblin Piker (Its mana cost contains a red mana symbol)
Elves of Deep Shadow (Its ability contains a black mana symbol)
Talisman of Dominance (All sorts of verbotten mana symbols)
Life//Death (Three shall be the number of the colours)
Degavolver (... right out)
Our Phelddagrif couldn't use any of these lands:
Underground River (Obvious, see above)
Godless Shrine
Badlands
Leechridden Swamp, etc)
Phelddagrif may not call upon Boros Guildmage for help"

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Now I see how it works, its so sly with that mana ability xD that's how it works huh?

I'm a retard xD fuck sorry dude... didn't know mana abilities count towards it's mana symbol for a commander game lol

Yes, and I apologize for sounding so condescending in the previous comment. I can't think of a way to sound less rude, so have deleted it. The Phelddagrif example relies on that the color identity is the same as the casting cost, but it is formed by the casting cost plus the colour of any mana symbols in the card's rules text.

I didn't get to read the comment so you don't have to worry about it and honestly I wouldn't care if it sounded rude because of me being ignorant and unknowing... lol

It's no problem dude. I'm honestly surprised by how few people knew about the rule, so I realized I really can't get upset about someone not getting it. And yeah, sorry if I came off as a jerk =P

Oh, and Jens, Skisdag High Priest *IS* silly with this deck, so I can see why.

That said, a little tap of Gaea's Cradle with a healthy horde of saps and Thoughtpicker Witch can leave someone feeling like I took their arm off.

"Oh look at the time, it's death o' clock!" That's what it's doing.

Yeah.... That's always an option too. And another cruel option for that is ye olden bitter bomb.

It pretty much acts like a bitterbomb. It can get to the point where you don't even look at the two cards each time and just take out the chunk. Even blindly removing 25% of someone's deck is soul-crushing.

You don't have to tell me that... Just look at every deck I play, and realize I'm not the only extractor in my group.

I TOTALLY FORGOT NEMATA! Thanks =D

I also like the idea of Parallel Evo.

Read about colour identity on the comments above

or better yet, look it up in the rulebook

hm. missed that, thank you.

Hrm...Mayhaps

Tried it, and it worked like a charm.

Unless your playing artifact heavy I have always found colored mana is better than more colorless. Also I haven't examined your curve, so maybe its a no go, but plaugemaw beast fits the theme quite nicely. Same with Phyrexian Plaguelord.

Also if my budget was hypothetically $250, what do I really need to make this deck work and what can be cut? Because it looks fun.

Really you can cut the "Cash Lands". When I got this as a gift, it didn't have Gaea's Cradle, Verdant Catacombs, and Bayou and it ran just fine. Does Cradle make it faster? Of course...it gives you stupid amounts of mana, but it's not NEEDED. That should take care of a big chunk of the budget.

EDIT: Just did the math, and you'll cut out about $245.00 from the cost if you take out the "cash lands".

It would be a shame if there happend something to him. sSsSsSsSsSorry. i couldnt resist it. it was too tempting.

Contagion Engine is great, and fits the whole "dirty" theme very well...Can't believe I forgot that one.

I could have sworn I put Spore Flower in the list...crap now I'll have to do some finagling. As for Savage, call me crazy, but I just don't like it. It's my least favorite thallid and I can't even put a finger on why.

I don't think I could do the Pod at this point, simply because it requires some serious dedication to the goofy pod curve shenanigans. Hibernation's End sounds awesome, and I didn't quite cross my mind how perfectly it will move up the ladder.

Thanks for the help =]

always a pleasure aid fellow fungi brewers. i agree that adding pod and corresponding curve would change the core of the deck quite a bit, which could be sketchy at this stage.
and i do not think you are crazy in the disliking of savage -- being a 5/2 at 5 cmc, he does the opposite of what fungi are all about, and for that reason i've never run him in any of my numerous fungus 60 cards. however, in thellon EDH, i would definitely run him -- not so much as a fungus, but as an asceticism that also ups my fungus count, if that makes any sense. then again, if your meta doesn't run much regenerate-friendly removal, the protection wouldn't as necessary and so neither would he. so i guess it's up to preference and meta.
I was planning to hold out on building my thellon EDH until wizards printed more fungus (IT WILL HAPPEN ONE DAY I SWEAR), but after seeing this list i'm tempted to go ahead and try it now...... hrm.......

though the thellon's color is green, the black manasymbol in his ability makes his color identity GB, therefor he is a GB general in EDH.

It's like people, don't read the comments or something isn't it.

Color Identity. This rule has been covered extensively in the comments.

Already corrected that. I am still not convinced, though, because the rules only refer to color identity of the card to add and the *color* of the commander. Anyway, Natural Order and Verdant Force are still painfully missing.

3. A card's color identity is its color plus the color of any mana symbols in the card's rules text.
The color identity of the Commander is the color identity of the deck.

3a. Cards in a deck may not have any colors in their identity which are not shared with the commander of the deck. (The identity of each card in the deck must be a subset of the General's)
The cards all match the color identity of the commander within acceptable limits.


The exclusion of Natural Order is surprising though.

I don't care about the colour, it's the deck author's problem whatever the ruling is. In the end whatever you and your opponent agree on is fine.

Would you believe that with all the cards I *DO* own, I still don't own a copy of Natural Order?

http://i.imgur.com/qrON7mo.gif
Out of anything I thought you wouldn't have, that certainly wasn't on the list.

Of course I believe that you don't own these cards. I said I can't believe that I am the first one to SUGGEST them.

I got a buddy with a Bosh deck that kicks ass. He's a surprisingly good general.

And yeah, I'm honestly surprised how few people know about the rule.

Well, you said it yourself: They CHANGED the rules to make generals like Bosh playable!
Also don't forget where Commander came from: It's the casual players that invented this format and WotC just took over! As you said, Bosh wasn't legal under original rules. That's also why most people still call it the "Elder Dragon Highlander" (EDH), the name the community gave it when they invented it. So, what's so surprising then? Are you also amazed that people still call it EDH?

No, because the rule was re-written before Wizards took over in 2011. It was also re-written before Wizards to allow any legendary that wasn't an Elder Dragon to be the general, but it was huge oversight to not think that generals with abilities not matching their color identities to exist. Bosh is extremely kick ass, we have two Bosh players here in town, and when they go at it, it's always an interesting match.

Rules were established a long time before even the community had an "official" ruling. EDH grew in an organic way.

Elvish Farmer exists twice even, there is a colour-shifted version in Planar Chaos (Mycologist).

For me it is sad that people don't know cards like these anymore. I started Magic when Fallen Empires came out and for years, goblins, merfolk, thrulls and fungus/saprolings where the only tribes out there (that is, with cards that specifically refer to each other in the rules text), saprolings/fungus were very popular in casual for years and the farmer and spore flower were staples.

(yes, technically we also had fearies and kobolds, but those were way too weak, even for ye olde times)

No love for Elves in that comment?

Elves didn't have a "lord" or any card that specifically boosts elves until Tempest (and even then, Eladamri doesn't pump them). Tribal decks have always existed, but in a theme way, not as a mechanic. The creature type rarely mattered for the first couple of years.

I know Quasimofo in real life. He's just being sarcastic about how Elvish Farmer and Spore Flower (with the right support) can basically leave me untouchable. Believe me, the man knows about these cards =]

You'll need Fungal Bloom for that but okay :)

1. Is that even a question, anything Green can benefit from Zenith
2. Its sort of a thing http://www.mtgvault.com/rickell/decks/set-the-stage-on-fire/ is the one I use with good success

GSZ is a great card for pretty much any EDH that can run it. I just didn't have room for it and preferred the explosive power of G. Wave.

It can be rather effective, but most lagacy burns I've seen lately run some other colors, usually black.

=D

Now we can be awesome together!

thank you for including me in ur world of creativity

I've found that with the politics of EDH, while Survival of the Fittest *IS* great, and will win you one game...It's gonna make you a big target the next few games.

I Play in a very competitive meta and if you don't win at all costs you wont win at all. Decks played against: 5 color hermit druid, Gave combo, Sharuum and Slivers.

Yeah see that's the difference. We call our meta "business casual", as in it's casual, but we mean business =P

Both are awesome cards, and I really want to find a place for them, but this deck is so freakin tight I'm just having a hard time finding what to take out for them =/

I can't even find a place for Avenger or Beacon of Creation in here so it's probably not gonna happen for One dozen eyes. It is a good token card, just can't fit in here.

Interestingly enough, I'd remove either Bloodthrone or Mold Adder.

Hrm...might I ask why those two?

Mostly my vote would be toward Bloodthrone honestly, but in both cases it's that providing another simple beatstick feels moderately redundant.

I guess that makes sense. I'll see how taking out Bloodthrone works. I can't take out Mold Adder, that little dude has surprised me more times than I can count.