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Isn't it the worst when you get your Library confused with your Hand after a painful Mill? Complete speed Mill to the extreme...If you aren't decking them, you're wrong. Snapcaster Mage is the pinnacle of Innistrad, working very cohesively with the deck as a whole. One of my favorite combinations has to be Hedron Crab and Polluted Delta, which can help end games very quickly. *** All of you Legacy Gangsta's, please help me out with a solid sideboard, especially for threats like Leyline of Sanctity.***
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I would say Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, the blue praetor makes for a very nasty combo with the jace's erasures and wouldn't be a bad addition. However, by the time you got it out you could have already milled someone two times over... The Rotcrown Ghoul and Geralf's Mindcrusher are okay, but somewhat expensive as well. Dread waters is powerful if you cast it when you have a bunch of lands and Thought Scour is a good card because you get to draw a card as well, making for more mill with the jace's erasures.
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Thought scour is my side replacement if I don't end up liking vision charm. Thanks for the tips my man!!
I like the Polluted Delta's, especially for Hedron Crab. That being said, the other duel-lands aren't that necessary, unless you want to put in the original duel lands (The $60+ ones). I'd take them out and equally distribute the free spaces in Swamps and Islands. As JJ Reaper suggested, Thought Scour is a great addition to any mill deck. You might even want to run it instead of Brainstorm (because if additional milling effect. Besides that, this is pretty much a burn deck that deals library damage instead of... erm, normal damage. Well Done!
I love it! If only you could squeeze that 4th Mind Funeral in (one of my personal favorite cards for mill) but you have plenty of power without it. How have the Guard Gomazoas been working out? I was just thinking about how sick 4 Snapcaster Mage would, allowing you to replay the stuff out of your graveyard, doubling your playing options. Fun deck!
I personally love Guard Gomazoa. He really stops most of the attacking problem mill decks tend to have. I mean obviously there are other cards that work as well, but he is my personal favorite. DANG. You know, Snapcaster would kick serious tail in this deck. I may look into fitting that piece of work in here somehow.
Just made some major swap outs to make that sexy idea work. I could find an excuse to get 3 in, but I think the new look is much more punishing.
Hmm.. why is there a mill deck without Traumatize? And the Curse of the Bloody Tome is a good addition as well. will you take a look at this spider based deck im making any help or advice would be welcome i want a 75 card finished product http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=341097
Mill decks shouldn't have traumatize in it, traumatize is so slow and if you have multiple copies of it it becomes such a dead card, it's the card i hate the most i think when people talk about milling decks. But, what i would say is that you don't have have high tide? How come? replace memory sluice and get high tide, and try to get more cards to get you keep drawing, Since you play in legacy(which is full of fetching players) you MUST have Archive Trap( one my favorite cards ever....) Check out my milling deck, it's a bit of a mix bag but and i want advices for that (derp) http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=340510
This is really good, probably better than my mill deck, but as for the hedron crab andpolluted delta combo, cant you do the same thing with the crab and Terramorphic Expanse? I mean you dont lose life and its a cheaper card when money is concerned I guess.
Yes, yes it would. But I HAVE polluted delta. so I want to use it. hahaha also, it does provide better synergy with Watery Grave. I can actually use polluted delta to get that out onto the field, which is a nice bonus.
Then don't take it out. I'd do as Green Shadow suggested, but if you have them, go ahead. But for us youngsters, use Evolving Wilds, only because Terramorphic Expanse's art isn't 1/10th as cool as Evolving Wilds' new art. Argue as you will.
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Thanks for posting on my Teysa deck. Like this deck, used to have a standard version of mill. Never considered a legacy or modern mill deck. Well done +1. The only thing i would suggest is Twin Cast, for 2 blue mana would combo with Glimpse, brain freeze, mind funeral. Any one of those with twin cast would hurt. Good job on the deck. Check out my EDH mill deck. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=317969
Just some ideas, run 4x Visions of Beyond, and 4x Brainstorm. They each have good synergy with Jace's Erasure, plus the bonus of extra cards at your disposal.
I'd up the polluted deltas to 4 and swap watery grave for underground sea (if you have the money!). I'm not sure of the legallity, but grindstone is awesome in mill. Up the snapcasters and brainfeezes to 4 (they combo well together) and add visions of beond as said by Snakerunners. If your having trouble finding room for all this then I'd take out vision charm and mabey a couple of memory sluices. Other than that, I like it =)
In my opinion, I see two possible issues with this deck. First, it's an amazing deck, it has to be for $300-$500. If you don't already have these cards, there are cheaper cards that do the same kind of thing. Second, I don't think there enough mana to effectively play the three snapcasters. Take one, maybe two out, and put in some new creature. Dreamborn Muse, Scriviner, and Mnemonic Wall spring to mind. If you're really feeling gutsy I would love to see my opponent pull out Chancellor of the Spires on me.
What turn are you aiming to win? What alternative win-con have you got if someone sideboards in Leyline of Sanctity? I've seen mill decks run Painter & Grinstone and mill someone's entire deck on turn 3, but still have a Laboratory Maniac and some Dread Return in case Sanctity appears. What's your plan B? Here's my selfmill deck on a budget; http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=326866
Leyline of Sanctity is a quite a threat, I will not lie. Which is why I need to create a solid sideboard for this deck, with the help of anyone willing.
Do you want this to be off-the-charts awesome? then do the following. -5 island -3 swamp, +3 scalding tarn +3 misty rainforest, +2 watery grave. that will take maximum advantage of your hedron crab. after that you need overpowered draw. Thought Scour doesn't cut it, as milling 2 isn't signifigant enough for just 1 blue mana. and you want an absolutely possitively horribly overpowered draw engine. so, -3 thought scour, +3 dark confident (also helps w/ memory sluce's conspire). Increasing confustion is actualy really bad. think about it -- it's hardly useful w/out it's flashback cost. and in this deck, which is a fast mill deck, you dont want to spend the one blue to get it into your graveyard. then, because this is fast mill, the largest you'll ever drop it for (mostlikely) will be for 5. that means X=4, and you mill 8 cards. now look at archive trap. tutors and fetches run wild in legacy, and even if you hardcast it, it's 5 for 13 cards. -3 increasing confusion, +3 archive trap. i'm not a big fan of jace's erasure - i tend to run Shreik Horn over that -- but it's your call. overall, good start to a good deck. Hope i helped!
Wow you know, I am liking these tips a heckuva lot. I am starting to see the excessive power that hedron crab holds, I am not COMPLETELY sold on doing an all out fetch lands, especially seeing that it could be draining my life like crazy.. but overall, I like what you are saying here. Now, I am not sold on Dark Confidant either. I am thinking maybe brainstorm instead? you know? I like dark confidant, but I think brainstorm is a better drawing engine.
nevermind. Dark Confidant is far too good to not have in the deck. Still not sold on the other idea though, I will playtest it for sure, of course!
Trust me, the fetch lands are worth it. i have a UB mill myself that uses tons of fetches and the crab along with lotus petal. i once had a turn 1: lotus petal, lotus petal, hedron crab, hedron crab, scalding tarn (mill 6) into underground sea (mill 6) , memory sluice + conspire (mill 8). thats a total of mill 20 turn one. and yes, if you add fetches this deck will be quite suicidal, but i've found that just ads to the fun. if you really, REALLY dont want to be that suicidal, i would drop confidant for brainstorm and watery grave for islands/swamps before loosening up on the fetches. they're just to good to be true.
Nice built! I like the use of snapcaster, it's crushing with Glimps... :) ... I want your opinion on 1 of my decks... I'm trying 2 terfect the illusion deck sistem, I would like 2 know if U think I'd miss something ;& what should I drop... ...here: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=339653
Calling all Walkers!!!!! I'm looking for help with my End of Modern deck!! I have to make it scarrier! And +1 on the mill!
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missing archive trap xD suffle mill 13 plz thks xD
... And now the desperate hounds start picking off the scraps from someone's success... Pathetic. I... wasn't being that serious about the Underground Sea's, but if you have 4 of'em, by all means. Otherwise, keep basic lands out. But yeah! Having a Laboratory Maniac and 1 Dread Returns would be a great solution if they have Leyline of Sanctity, Protector of the Hearth (or w/e it's called), Imperial Mask, or Witchbane Orb. Otherwise, I think this is the best Mill deck out there.
JTMS is ridiculously overpowered, but i think banned from legacy (dont know dont play legacy much). However, the new Jace, Jace, Memory Adept, is also ridiculously overpowered in the right deck. This is the right deck. I would only run 1 of him, but if you get him out on turn 5, that 0 ability ends the game 2 or 3 turns earlier. His +1 ability helps you dig for your big millers while advancing your plan a little bit more. His -
-7 ability is overkill, but if you get there it pracitcally ends the game.
Wow this is a pretty awesome deck haha I love it
wheres Jace? :-) Curse of Bloody Tomb could be useful, 2 mill/ turn can be annoying, but 6 or 8 (3 or 4 of them) mill each turn, without having to trigger landfall or anything... Also Traumatize iwould be a nice addition. If you are having problems due to a lack of creatures, Nemesis of Reason might make a good side board.
Oooooo! I like the changes! I was just thinking that I should have mentioned Visions of Beyond! I think I may have to make deck like this!
Can people please give me advice:http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=333549
Jace, Memory Adept???
Use Jace, Memory Adept
He is in the side now. Honestly, the way this deck plays, they should be dead by turn 5.
Try adding Ghost Quarter. Ghost Quarter + Archive Trap is pretty much the best thing.
hmmm maybe haunting echos? its probably not as good concidering it cost five but if you mill atleast half their library then haunting echos them, then they would be drawing nothing but lands until you finish them off. oh and if you use haunting echos then you have a reason to play archive trap for its 0 cost.
if you want to break the landfall ability add in 2 living Tsunami. sure it ties down your mana. but when you can guarantee a mill each turn it may be worth it.
You know who is a real gansta in mill? Circu. I'm telling you if you don't give him a try you're wrong. If you don't like him in the end, sure take him out. At least do some test runs with him and I will assure you that you won't be disappointed.
haha you are under the assumption that I didn't try him!! Oh, believe me, I LOVE him. In a different type of mill deck, He would be SUPREME! In this mill deck, however, he is slow as molasses. I love the input though, thanks for the comment! It seems weird, but he really is slow.
Inconceivable power unleashed! Amazing mill deck, brother.
Consider using Ghost Quarter in conjuntion with archive trap - for a forced 0 mana cost, and a destruction of their land.
Nice. Though I don't care much for Dark Confidant... the whole life loss issue displeases me. Perhaps Jace's Archivist would be a better fit [with Jace's Erasure]. Pair it with Library of Leng so you don't lose your hand, and you still get the milling benefit.
I'm really thinking Force of Will need's to be in here. At that point you'll have some defense against other decks that like to be counter heavy. Really, it belongs in just about every blue legacy deck. Mind taking a look at my deck? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=342512
If your gonna run archive trap I would consider not running Dark Confidant cause capping yourself for 5 could be rough. However if your not worried about a little damage, something that would combo well with archive trap, and the deck in general is Maralen of the Mornsong. She forces you to search your library for a card, and your opponent also so it forces the archive trap trigger at 0 mana, however each of you lose 3 life a turn but I can't imagine it being that bad cause you could mill them really quick if you keep pulling archive traps.
However in this case Jace's erasure and visions become useless however with archive traps it can be ridiculous.
Undiscovered Paradise and fetch lands + Crucible of Worlds are two of my favorite things to do with landfall (primarily Bloodghast). I also agree that Dark Confidant needs to be run with a tight curve. With so few creature threats, your blockers are easy to remove, thus pitting your mill win versus the opponents ability to destroy your life. Losing 5 life for the slight possibility to mill 13 for {0} is likely helping your opponent more than it is you. I would suggest one of two things: Replace Bob with Howling Mine (I love this in mill decks; who cares if it gives the opponent more card advantage, it does the same for you AND mills via Erasure) or replace Archive with something else. On another note, I run a pseudo-mill multiplayer draw deck (Howling Mine, Temple Bell, Baby Jace, Rites of Flourishing, Forced Fruition, etc) that, during a night of extremely heavy drinking, I confused my ~20 card hand for my ~20 card library XD Worst part was, it took me a turn or two to realize what had happened.
I think my simple solution is to just say bye bye dark dude, hello archivist. Yea, I started drawing archive trap a lot with confidant.. not good. Glad I made the switch.
That's one expensive deck O.O good job though ^^
Maybe Thought Scour?
I greatly regret this, you have to take out Maralen of the Mornsong. I just looked her up on gatherer "While Maralen is on the battlefield, no player can lose the game due to being instructed to draw a card with an empty library." AKA you can't win with a mill. OOPS, I didn't know of that ruling til just now, and I was the one who made the suggestion in the first place.
Hahahaha She REALLY sucks. I mean she basically wrecks everything i was trying to do, and I didn't even realize it at first hahah!! Too funny. Oh well. You live and learn.
Why the fuck are you running Maralen of the Mornsong??? Where the hell did Dark Confidant go??? Seriously, Malaren is shit in so many ways. Firstly, she makes the opponent loose life which is irrelivant when your only win-con is mill. Secondly she fucks up Jace's Erasure and Visions of Beyond, and thirdly she costs 3 mana compared to two with Dark Confidant!!! The only thing she is good for is triggering Archive Trap, when Ghost Quarter does it waaay better! You have no reason to fear losing life with dark confidant because there are only 3 cards in your entire deck that cost more than two mana. Seriously, you need to get Dark Confidant back in here, I really hope you take my advice because if you don't, this deck will DIE in legacy.
Hey, dude. Calm down. I just realized the ruling on her. I didn't make the connection that she would be counter-intuitive to actually drawing the mill win. The guy above you made the connection. I actually thought she was a relatively good idea at first, and now I realize that I was incorrect. And you are right. I see that she is bad synergy. You don't need to curse to prove a point, ever. No offense. I made a bad call just because I liked one simple aspect about her, and forgot the implications included. making the switch. And no, Dark confidant really does hurt my game plan. I can't afford to lose that much life. I really can't.
OK, I shouldn't have swore (my bad), but I just wanted to make sure you saw the mistake, that's all. I wasn't trying to offend you and I'm sorry if I did. I'm glad you changed it anyway =) On a side note, I think you should add more fetch lands (misty rainforest ect) not just for hedron crab, but to help thin out the deck. Fetch lands pull out land from your deck making it less likely you will draw them later on, and thus speeding up the deck.
No worries dude!! I really do appreciate the comments. I would have felt like such an idiot actually playing her. haha. You know, I have been pondering that idea recently. I may make another deck that focuses on doing that idea solely, but I think I like this one the way it is.
ive only been playing for about 3 months. What do you guys think of this deck im currently using? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=343882 Im a fast learner, any advice helps. thanks.
scalding tarn
You should find some room for a few boomerangs. Reason I say so is for things like witchbane orb, things that make the player have shroud or what have you because you need to target to mill.
Good deck dosent need any more card I woldnt say
Hi Cfybbdrummer, I'm suprised you haven't added any extraction to the sideboard. These cards type of cards can destroy combo decks. Surgical Extraction or Extirpate are some possibilities. You do realize that this deck currently has no defense against counter spells in main deck though the Perplex is an modest card against counterspell in the sideboard. Many typical Legacy blue combo or control decks contain around 16 counterspells in main board (4 Force of Will 4 Spell Pierce 4 Daze and 4 Counterspell) and would stop this deck in its tracks and go off turn 4 or 5 with no problem. You need to consider adding some counterspell or discard of your own to handle the problem of counter spells. You should consider adding either mana leaks, spell snare, spell pierce, Countersquall, duress, or thoughtseize to your sideboard and possibly into main board too. Finally Snakerunner makes a very good point. Witchbane Orb and Leyline of Sanctity are troublsome, but even more problematic for your deck are cards that reshuffle the player's graveyard into their library like Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. With no way to extract cards out of opponent's deck your deck has serious problems against graveyard reshuffling. You should seriously consider adding a card like Cranial Extraction into your sideboard.
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Hey, I would like it if I could get some feedback on this demon deck I have. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=342376 really good deck again btw, still better than my mill deck.
You should put in some Vapor Snags in there so that you can put Snapcaster back in your hand. You should also have some retrievals, like Msytic Retrievals and such.
like the deck. very nice. can you look at mine i need some help with it
The Only 2 Cards You must Add that you Dont have is Dark Ritual And Leyline of the Void. Look Them up and you will see why. Ill Post my Mill Deck soon. I can Mill 80 - 100 cards by Turn 5.
Was bored and flipped through my binders and made this deck tonight except here's what I swapped out: 3 Jace's Archivist for 3 Painter's Servant 3 Brainstorm for 3 Grindstone 4 Jace's Erasure for 4 Leyline of the Void 3 Visions of Beyond for 3 Force of Will Lemme know what you think bud.
A split between Bayou and Tropical Island (instead of 2 island 1 swamp)+ Misty Rainforest and Nature's Claim in SB should work against LoS if it's a huge problem.
Are you sure you want to stay in Legacy just for one card?...