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A deck based around the opponent losing life for attacking. White is in the deck for the "Fog" cards. Forbidden Orchard go give creatures to the (hopefully) unwilling opponent. Rage Nimbus and Nettling Curse's abilities to help force the opponent to attack. I wanted to add Angel's Trumpet, but relised that I won't be attacking in this deck so I desided not to. *EDIT* OK, I noticed that allot of people do not understand the point of this deck, so I'm going to list how I deal with certain scenarios: 1) My opponent doesn't play any creatures - I give him some with Forbidden Orchard and he'll lose life each time I give him one because of Blood Seeker 2) My opponent only plays and attacks with one BIG creature - I enchant the crap out of it with Contaminated Bond, Nettling Curse and Soul Bleed. I also use Souls of the Faultless, Stuffy Doll and Boros Fury-Shield to turn the damage back on him. I also use Batwing Brume, Holy Day and Ethereal Haze to buy time. 3) My opponent refuses to attack - Blood Seeker will make him lose life for each creature he plays / I give him, Stronghold Discipline will make him lose life for each creature he has and I can make creatures attack with Rage Nimbus and Nettling Curse. 4) My opponent is creating a huge army to attack and kill me with in one attack - This is the perfect scenario for Batwing Brume, Stronghold Discipline and Hissing Miasma. I also prevent damage I'll be taking with Holy Day and Ethereal Haze. No one runs enough counter spells to counter all my spells or enough of a variation of destruction cards to destroy lands, enchantments and creatures.
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Great Casual deck! These decks are great to piss off your friends Maximum Hilarity, really solid rares good job.
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Glad you like it. This is actually the 5th version of this deck that I've posted on this site and this is the result of the comments on the previous versions and input from friends. I'm hoping to put this deck together tonight :p
Played this last night (with a few cards substituting the ones I don't have) and it's AWESOME :P
No Lightmine Field? You won't even be attacking, so it could help quite a lot.
I'm not looking to kill thier creatures, just make them loose life for attacking with them. Also, when people see Hissing Miasma out on the field, they tend to attack with 1 BIG creature and that's where Boros Fury-Shield / Souls of the Faultless / Stuffy Doll plays it's part :) If they do try attack with a swarm, Hissing Miasma and Batwing Brume will sort out that problem :D In most cases, you can see if the opponent is building up a swarm and that's why I run Blood Seeker and Stronghold Discipline. The Discipline is also fun after I've given him a swarm with Forbidden Orchard :p
Not me. If someone drops Hissing Miasma I grit my teeth and kill them, knowing full well it might sting a bit.
Lol, you and me both, but I think we've already concluded that we're not 'normal' (and who'd want to be) :p
What about "season of the witch"? Haven't seen your previously versions, but forcing your enemy to attack you each turn might be a good thing here :D
Hmmm... I'll look into it and maybe include it after testing it (if I can get any).
As awesome as Season of the Witch is, I find the drawback to be too much. It can end up killing my Stuffy because I'd rather block with it than attack.
Season of the witch will not kill the Stuffy doll, Stuffy doll in indestructible and seasons specifically says destroy not sacrifice. so as long as you can keep accepted the 2 HP loss each upkeep then it wouldn't be bad.
Oh, the stuffy doll. you might throw in a "Valor Made Real" or two for that little guy.
Lol, I keep forgetting about that card :p I'll see if I can work some in somehow.
Nice deck! Check out Fumiko the Lowblood, It would work perfectly. http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=74534
Lol. She's awesome except for the part that says your opponents creatures attack each turn, I would rather control when I force my opponent to attack.
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nice deck this and that black sac deck are my favs.
also darkness is a black fog if you need it
I know, I just can't get any at the moment :(
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I like Soul Bleed in this.. "Attack and you die.. don't attack and you.. die"
Lol. I've been trying to think of a way to work some Soul Bleeds into the deck :p
My bad, I meant I'm trying to work in some Insubordination :p
well for insubordination u could take out 1 or 2 soul bleed
UMM? Wheres the wind condition against a creature based deck? you don't attack yourself and they can w8 you out if they so chose you will run out of enchantments. If they get a creature with lifelink they may not care about the loss of life.
I win by making loose life for attacking and having creatures. Life link means nothing if I prevent the damage (Holy Day, Ethereal Haze, Batwing Brume) or if I redirect the damage with Boros Fury-Shield (the shild prevents the damage and then how ever much damage I would have taken is dealt to the creatures controller - lifelink won't take effect) :p
Dude add lust for war its perfect for this deck
As Nice as Lust for War is, it forces him to attack every turn, I'd rather control when I want him to attack (Rage Nimbus, Nettling Curse)
Chant of the Vitu-Ghazi would also do well. Using convoke will make sure you have enough mana because if you do play it, you wont need any blockers anyway. But what if your opponent is using a deck based around creatures such as Khamal, Pit Fighter? Some kill cards wouldn't go astray here.
Vitu-Ghazi is a nice card, but it's too expensive. I won't have enough mana and / or creatures to play it when I need to. If he's using creatures like Kamahl, Pit Fighter, he'd be stupid to deal damage to Stuffy Doll and I'd just have to race to give him enough creatures (Forbidden Orchard) to kill him with Stronghold Disipline :P
This is a really good deck... but for everyone who knows it its weak... the only 3 creatures u can use to atack are 1/1, so if i do know against who im playing i just dont evoke any creature... kill or counter these blood seekers... I think your deck should have 80 cards and have some big monsters too ...
1) If I have my creatures killed, there's always my enchantments and spells. 2) Any more than 60 cards will reduce the chance of me pulling what I need. 3) I won't be attacking with this deck, I'm supposed to win by being attacked :p
he said in his brief talk thing that he wasnt going to attack at all
Hows about Lust for War.
See comment above
this deck is pretty awesome. great idea
Thanks, at least someone understands the point of this deck :p
Its losing Losing life Loosing would be freeing something from something
sorry, I was never good at spelling (thank {enter deity here} for spell check) :p
a good card would be: Lust for War
See comment further up.
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Sickness. Approval. (Though the lack of Bone Saw is depressing.)
Why would I need Bone Saw? I never attack with my creatures in this deck.
Awz? is a great believer in the almighty Ornithopter + Fling + Bone Saw Combo.
I like this deck idea and how was built, but i think it's not fast enough to stop my goblin deck: Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=147185 :)
I'd gladly take on your Goblins with this deck :p
Blaze of Glory if you can get them for the Stuffy Doll
Firstly, dam that card's old. Secondly, this deck isn't all about having stuffy take damage, in fact I don't even need stuffy :p
Have a look at Lust for war. It deals 3 damage to the player every time their creature taps, and the creature has to attack each turn if able. Would fit great in this deck. I would say better than Soul bleed, especially considering it is the same CMC.
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Hi, what about nice and simple Pariah's to go on the stuffy dolls !! That's just given me an idea Stuffy doll's - Pariah's the either force of nature and dont pay the upkeep or even lord of the pit ??? mmm
Pariah and Pariah's Shield are awesome cards for Stuffy, but not for this deck. I almost never play Stuffy and that's not because I didn't draw him / have enough mana for him, it's because I didn't need to. Stuffy's more like another Souls of the Faultless than anything else in this deck.
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kazuul, tyrant of the cliffs would be pretty funny. they lose life and you get a 3/3 unless they waste their mana
Lol, he is funny. Problem is I don't have access to any :(
i really like tis deck could you check out a few of mine plz? comments are welcome
Any in particular? I'm too lazy to go through them all :p
This is a really nice deck, to help your opponet attack just that much more maybe try to fit in a couple "Bloodshed fever" or "Lust for war". each will cause an enchanted creature to attack each turn if able. the Lust for war is a bit more expensive though, but it also does 3 damage to your opponent as well. Couple that with the Stuffy doll and they will beat themselves in no time at all. :)
the problem with those awesome cards is as I've stated in a comment further up, I'd rather choose when I force my opponent to attack (you're the 5th person to suggest Lust for War).
I think you should have some sort of sideboard set up to make it better against the varieties of decks. Combo will just outright kill you without batting an eye. You have virtually no way to stop it. Sideboarding cards like Memoricide, hand disruption in the form of cards like Duress and Thoughtseize, and sometimes even cards like Leyline of Sanctity can really go a long way in stopping these decks. Against control, they actually probably will have enough counters to stop you, along with their single Grave Titan or card similar to it. Similar cards can be sided in against them. Against both of these decks, it seems unlikely that Forbidden Orchard will be enough to go all the way. Against Aggro, you apparently seem pretty set so no more than 3 cards probably need to be devoted to that (although you may want to make sure decks like Kuldotha Red that have turn 3 kills don't overrun you). Something like Isochron Scepter to go with the the Holy Day cards might be perfect. Hope this is a bit of help. Not trying to say it's a bad list, but just pointing out a few weaknesses it naturally has and a few suggestions on how to fix them.
Thank you for your input, but I was already aware of most of that. This is just a casual deck (like most of my decks) and in my group, casual normally means group game, so I almost never have to deal with the full rath of those type of decks :p
Why not throw in Gideon Jura-Planeswalker? +2: During target opponent's next turn, creatures that player controls attack Gideon Jura if able. Unless it's a cost issue, but I think you have enough mana...
Lol. Mana isn't much of a problem, money is :'( but I'll try get 2 off a friend and (hopefully) see how it goes with him in the deck :p
I love this deck idea
This is exactly the kind of deck I was looking for in a challenge I made.
how much would this deck cost?
Not sure. I made this with cards I had / traded for. I'd say that the most expensive cards would be the rare lands and maybe Stuffy.
k because im thinking about selling all of my cards and having 3 main decks and this would be one of them
also kazuul the tyrant of cliffs and gideon jura and darkness because if i get this deck cards that you dont have what would you sub in for
I'm honoured that you choose my deck as one of your main decks :D I've played this deck often and it works just as I wanted, so I wouldn't be sure what to take out for those cards but I'd try the following if I had the cards: For 2x Gideon, I'd take out 2x Stuffy Doll / 1x Stuffy and 1x Souls of the Faultless / 2x Souls of the Faultless. For 4x Darkness - 4x Holy Day. For 2x Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs - 2x Stuffy Doll / 1x Stuffy and 1x Souls of the Faultless / 2x Souls of the Faultless.
so gideon for stuffy and darkness fo holy kazuul for stuffy also? and i dont get 1x stuffy and 1x souls of the fautless
and should i change the mana?
I used "/" instead of the word "or". So I meant 2x Stuffy or 1x Stuffy + 1x Souls or 2x Souls. I think the lands should be good as is.
o ok thx now i get it thx. i think this deck well be very good
Total War? Goes well with Hissing Miasma. May as well punish them for not attacking also.
Didn't know about that card :p It's an awesome card but I prefer some type of control over what does attack and that's the only reason red is in this deck.
sorry i forgot to thank you this deck rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and if you get any other ideas to change this deck plz tell me and ajani goldmane might be helpful if you cant make them attack gain life and deal damage with secong ability
I'm actually in the process of remodeling this deck completely. The new version will prevent attacking all together and will work off the opponents loosing life for having ALOT of creatures (thanks to Blood Seeker and Stronghold Discipline) and it'll be dropping red completely. I'll post the link here when I'm done :p
Here's the link to the first attempt at the remodel: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=168262
rhiteous cause could help gain life from all of those attcking creatures
sry righteous
how about arena??
Looks like a really sweet deck I love solid decks like these.
Curse of the Nightly Hunt?
Firstly, that card didn't exist when I posted this deck. Secondly I'd not use it because it doesn't give full control over what attacks. Lastly I abandoned this idea as I found red messes with what I ultimately wanted to do with this deck.
Norn's Annex?
only 2 decks that can counter, mill and burn
And they are?