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All of these steps will take place before your opponent's first upkeep step. Step 1: Play Gemstone Caverns or an Island. Step 2: Exile Simian Spirit Guide & Elvish Spirit Guide. Step 3: Tap the Gemstone Caverns (or Island) for blue. Step 4: Use Flash to play Protean Hulk (Use Summoner's Pact if you don't have a Hulk in hand). Step 5: Let the Hulk die so his ability will trigger. Step 6: Play the following creatures in the order listed: 4 Disciple of the Vault, 4 Shifting Wall, & 4 Phyrexian Marauder. The 4 Walls & Marauders will die because X will count as 0, thus triggering the 4 Disciples. This will result in a total of 32 damage.
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A creature with a power of zero isn't considered to be on the battlefield. so disciple won't trigger. I have been using those disciples since they were first printed to kill opponents and I have taken them to tournaments. I was told by judges that and X casting cost with 0 paid into is never put into play.
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see ive read the rules over on this and im not seeing that anywhere. the only thing i found on X was just the common knowledge fact that X is whatever amount you pay into it. it doesnt say on the card that i CANT pay X, and the rules also dont say that anything with 0 toughness doesnt enter play. it will enter play despite having 0 toughness, die immedieately, and thus trigger disciple's ability. 704.5f If a creature has toughness 0 or less, it's put into its owner's graveyard. Regeneration can't replace this event. this is straight from the comprehensive rules, word for word. now correct me if im wrong, but a creature has to be in play for the 0 toughness rule to kick in. since it IS in play when the ruling deems it "dead", it does leave play and get put into the graveyard, thus triggering Disciple.
Like I said the rulings i got were from years before, and back then when disciple was a new card (mirrodin?) a zero toughness never entered play long enough to be considered 'in play'. We used to try what you are doing and it didn't work then. The game has changed so much since then. Hell I didn't even know mana burn was phased out. Back then, no. Today, no clue.
think of it this way. You never finished paying for the spell. X must be paid to play this spell for it to have an effect. if you pay zero on X it is not resolved and it is discarded.
but i am paying for it. you pay however much mana you choose, and in this case it is zero. until the spell resolves, the toughness value wont be 0, it will be 0+X. once the spell resolves and the creature enters the battlefield, the toughness is then resolved as 0 and thus the creature dies. if paying nothing didnt work, then certain cards with X in them wouldnt have things like "X cant be 0" printed on them.
Aeon Chronicler and Aladdin's Lamp are great examples of that
I'm just going on rulings from years ago.
This should work, this is similar to how if you genesis wave into X creatures they just die regardless of the mana you paid for genesis wave, because they are being "cast" for zero and therefore die immediately. Also are you taking into account the stack or do the disciples see the X creatures leave play if they all enter at the same time?
in terms of the stack, they are all entering at the same time from protean's effect, so there isn't really a stack. once the effect resolves completely, then all the X creatures will resolve as 0/0, thus triggering the disciples
this deck requires an incredibly good opening handhow do you kill protean hulk?drakeraenes is right, it's not in the rulesthis deck does have a lot of problems though.
im aware that its a one in a million chance. its more to display that insane stuff like this is actually possible. as for killing Protean Hulk, he dies because you cant pay his mana cost after dropping him with Flash
So no one likes this?I know it's not a competitive deck, but th point is the insane combosVery good thinking on that one too drakeraenes
i cant really take credit for the deck design. i found it while trolling the web for magic deck ideas
Oh...Better to be honest than to take the creditStill, I admire the combos that you make
I have a few that ive come up with myself, most notably the gilder bairn combo that captivated everyone on here for almost 2 straight months. Thats my baby. I have a few others that arent as amazing but are fun anyways, like my rod of spanking deck. That one is just a riot to play at the card shop i frequent. No one ever wants to say the line rofl
Haha, I too was captivated by the gilder bairn comboRod of spanking...Will look it up!
I'd cut the following-4 Phyrexian Marauder-4 Shifting Wall-4 Disciple of the Vault-4 Force of Will-4 Pact of NegationAnd i would add in the following+3 Virulent Sliver+1 Galerider Sliver+1 Heart Sliver+4 Gitaxian Probe+4 Ponder+4 Brainstorm+4 Serum Powder
Did you seriously suggest taking a deck and make it something completely different? The deck is designed like this on purpose, because that's how it works. Maybe if you weren't such a narrow minded asshat you would be busy making the deck you just suggested I make instead of telling me to change a decks entire build because you don't like a few cards
http://www.mtgvault.com/aarono24/decks/who-needs-friends-anyway/ You mean like this?
It looks good, but I'm still not a fan of you trolling the way you are.
You end up drawing too many of the pieces used to kill your opponent if you play Disciple/Phyrexian Marauder/Shifting Wall.The Sliver Package is better in that regard.Ponder/Brainstorm/Gitaxian Probe help you dig faster if need be.Serum Powder assures you'll always be able to kill quickly by taking up to 4 free 7 card mulligans.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
This deck CAN win, but it's not something I would actually play, or even build for that matter. It's just a fun idea that I found and decided to share. Yes it works very, very rarely, but I don't really care because I'm not going to play it anyways
Actually it wins a lot of the time so i have no idea what you're talking about. If they don't have a free counter spell they lose on the spot.
Yes but in casual games only. A deck like this is something I would take to a tournament if it were legal