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This is my take on a standard Vampire deck. Please use only constructive criticism, because I'm sick of deleting comments and being a dick to people who try to boss me around. Go build your own deck. I sideboarded Vampire Nocturnus in the instance I was playing some of my friends that were using extended format. Please look at a few of my other decks as well. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=152319 <-- Tezzeret/Jace. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=159316 <-- Blue/Red Burn. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=167216 <-- Mono Red Kuldotha. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=171585 <-- W/U Caw-Blade. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=175337 <-- Shape Anew Idea. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=173836 <-- Black/Red Control. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=176744 <-- Boros Caw-Blade. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=176753 <-- U/G Landfall Mill.
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I like the deck, but not sold on the Sorins. maybe you've had better experience than i did with them, but ive never found him to be that useful by turn 6. With one anowon i would consider just dropping him and rolling 4 of the bloodwitches or something, or if you were set on sticking with anowon maybe run another to increase your chances of pulling him, etc. just some thoughts. solid overall.
It's always when I don't run Sorin, that I need him the most. Haha. I usually just keep him in my hand so someone thinks I'm holding a Doom Blade or something. Otherwise, good point with the Anowon; I'll definitely add another one. One more thing: I actually don't own Bloodghasts in my real Vampire deck, so I have two Bloodwitches in there right now, and they do damn well. Thanks for the feedback!
i suck this guys dick =)
Beau, go home. Goddamn it.
It's good, but you can't have vamps w/o hexmage and gatekeepers.
I don't know if you know how to read or not, but they're in there.
They weren't when I posted.....
Oh yes they were.
I don't believe that's true. You can most certainly have a Vampire Tribal without the Hexmage. While it is useful, sometimes having around will simply clog up the deck by showing up when you don't need it. In this case, it's there for the fact that it will make a useful tool for the removal of Infect counters from defending, but only for a one-shot deal, since there's not much in the way of graveyard mechanics in here (Unless you count Liliana's mass return, which could take a while). Since it helps to debuff just about any problem counters, it makes sense to have it in there as an all-purpose. I've seen a few Vampire decks, though, that don't require the Hexmage and do well without it, in my opinion. Then again, they aren't what you could technically call 'true' Vampires all the time. Of course, this is all just my opinion.
where is consuming vapors man? it is by a wide margin the best black removal that came out in eldrazi, every black deck should run it.
I noticed you put almost this exact comment on jmac640's vampire deck. I'll tell you where consuming vapors is. It's not in this deck, and never will be.
You trying to say my vamp deck is bad??
Jmac630: No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying I personally don't like Consuming Vapors. Use it all you like, it's just not my cup of tea.
I agree that consuming vapors is not the the best. I would think that it would be a waste of a turn and would slow the processing rate of the deck. If I played it would probably just sit in my hand the entire game without being played. until I had nothing else to spend my mana on.
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hey guys i dont exactly like this deck given im not saying its a bad deck im just not to fond of whats in it this is my vamp deck http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=154916 its not to great cause im not a very good player but im open to any constructive criticism
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Oh, this is a problem.. you need 1 drops i.e. Pulse Tracker and Lacerator.. Take out the Blood Seekers and Ascensions and Sorins, -8 lands +8 fetchlands drop 1 or 2 captivating vampires, +2,3 tutelage Math is probably wrong. work around it.
and drop 3 cards out of mainboard.
I don't use Pulse Tracker or Lacerator because everyone else does. Dare to be different, Kharben, dare to be different.
Okay you cant really have a bad vamp deck because most vamp decks are built around the same cards.. Every vampire deck with some variation is shot down vecause you cant have a vampire deck without this or without that... Who cares it will probably still work and if it doesnt oh well atleast it was original. Also i would run two each of doom bladr and go for the throat just in case you're playing another black deck
Srry i cant type on my ipod xD
That's why I have Go For The Throat sideboarded. My biggest issue isn't other black decks, though. It's those damned mono-white Knights. Mirran Crusaders rape and pillage me; they also usually win the game, too.
I enjoy straying off the beaten path. don't criticize people like me.
Stray all you like. I just don't do it.
no viscera seer? no pulse tracker? sorin markov, captivating vampire? :/ I think it's you who has strayed off the path, my friend. haha
I was never a huge fan of those cards, as well as building a Vampire deck exactly like everyone else's.
but they're aggressive, which is everything vampires are supposed to be.
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...why's everyone being so harsh? this guy made a deck the way he wanted to, either constructively criticize it or don't comment at all. who cares if it was cheated, so many do it now a days that it's just the norm on this site. i think everyone needs to chill and stop talking to this guy like he's worthless. grow up, guys.
By the way, it wasn't cheated. I was planning on getting zero "likes" when I posted it, so I'm happy that it made the home page of the website. As far as harshness goes, I really don't like it when people can't accept that I made a deck my way, and not the way that they wanted to make it. Plus, I'm just an asshole in general, and if you can't deal with it, then don't comment on this page telling me what to do. I was looking for SUGGESTIONS, not commands. With that being said, I'll change the goddamn banner, just so everyone stops crying about it. EthanLewis: Thanks, dude. For real.
MY VAMP DECK IS BETTER! HANDS DOWN!
Why.. why are you yelling?
this is a good one. tho it does look like a slow starter. i believe someone said something about one drops. if you dont like the pulse trackers im sure there is a different vampire one drop you can pick from.
if you have trouble with indestructible knights and stuff i would consider Anowon maybe
I'm sure your deck is good at what it does. A black vamp deck is supposed to be built around a savage pursuit of board control and that seems to be exactly what you had in mind while creating this deck. Although this deck does a good job at playing to its strengths, it won't hold against an opponent that plays against its obvious weaknesses. In this case, your deck's biggest weakness is its susceptibility to artifacts and enchantments. I would suggest trying to rework this into a multicolored deck so that you can access anti-artifact and anti-enchantment cards; I would recommend green or white, as those are the best colors in this regard. If you would like an example of what something like this would look like, check out my vamp deck. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=137982 Overall, nice work. I like your take on a vampire deck; keep it up.
I've actually been thinking about working in green, if anything. Just because I really like ramping, too. Plus, that gives me all those Naturalizes, Back To Natures, and other crap like that.
Needs more cowbell =P I'm a big fan of doing things differently than what other people think are rules that have to be set in stone, such as going over 60 cards in a deck, or using what the pros use. I TRY to stick to most of the deckbuilding rules, but sometimes it's ok to bend them a bit. For example, I believe in the power of 3 for a lot of cards, even amazing ones such as Jace, the Mind Sculptor. Four, to me, is just too much. I guess I like to have a fun deck as much as I like for it to be powerful, which in most cases, the pro "power" decks are just boring. Fast, innovative and powerful.. but boring.
Totally agree with that. As great as some of those decks are, I still want to have fun playing the game. I mean, I have a legacy discarding deck that I use from time to time, and everyone hates playing it; even myself. It wins most of the time, but it's not fun just being a mega-huge prick all the time.
sorin is just to expensive...he is just..i would rather play vess. just saying. check out my deck i want to try something new for the grand prix trial coming up http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=153392 any help i would love
I'd rather play Liliana, too. But this is just a Vampire theme deck. I'm just trying to use purely vampires, and I'm trying to leave it mono-color. And as far as mono-vampire decks go, this is a fairly top-tier. I mean, yeah there's all the one drops I COULD add, but I just don't feel like it. Plus, Blood Seeker rapes and pillages token decks that just explode.
awesome deck i currently have a black/blue-vampire/zombie deck because i dont have enough vampire to make a pure vampire >.< still pretty descent though.
I would add Lilliana instead of sorin, its a nice combo with bloodchief, also consuming vapors is a really good card I would consider adding some of those instead of feast in blood, also I would also drop the grasp and add some smother, vendetta, etc. I would also add pulse tracker instead of blood seeker. You should also run duress, amazing card...see opponents hand first turn and have them discard their jace....
I've actually thought about Liliana before, but I'm just trying to keep a theme going on this deck. Haha. If I was going for pure efficiency and wins, then I'd probably do that. Just because it's one less to drop her, and that and Bloodchief can just wreck people. Especially if I use a Duress in that too.
I appreciate trying to come up with an original decklist, but I don't see some of these cards being main board... Blood seeker is a sideboard card at best (aggro). I have issues with Lacerater so i would recommend replacing the Blood Seekers with Pulse Tracker. You want to focus on keeping mana open for Kalastria so i would recommend replacing Feast of Blood with Disfigure, it allows you to maintain open mana while still gaining the advantage in the early game and you already have things like Ascension Kalastria, and Nighthawk for life gain. As for Doomblade I would recommend replacing it with Go for the Throat, because there are very few artifact creatures in the metagame at present. Bloodghast is too good of a card to not have 4 of so try to work the last one in... -1 Hexmage maybe?. I like original builds, but you want to be sure that you aren't doing it at the expense of using the best cards for the deck. A lot of those cards that "everyone uses" are used for a reason... they've been thoroughly playtested by pros. Just something to keep in mind.
I'm gonna kinda keep this answer short and simple: I don't care how excellent this deck is. I built it to a theme, and that's it. I didn't build it to go out and win my local FNM. Also, I like Feast Of Blood more than Disfigure most of the time, because it says destroy target creature, not piss one off.
In all honesty I run a vamp deck and I'll say that its very similar to mine, but I think I would drop Sorin. Overall he's good but by turn 6 he's not so great. Really I would suggest better removal. Doom blade should be side boarded and replaced with either something like go for the throat or Brittle effigy. Over all not bad though the hex mages, blood ghasts, and Gatekeepers are what really make the deck, also I might suggest some fetch lands to make use of Bloodghast's landfall ability.
I put Sorin in there just to keep the Vampire theme of this deck. I know that he's not that good, and you're like the 15th person to tell me that. If I was trying to build a better Vampire deck, I would just run Liliana, if anything.
How do you get so much traffic looking at your decks. I have four I put on here and I'm trying to get peoples opinions. I like your deck, but no blood tribute? I know, its kind of expensive to play. What do you think about my lifegain deck. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=153623 I have 3 other decks too, and i could use any knowledge others would like to bestow
I have absolutely no clue how this deck got so much traffic lately. It just kind of.. blew up, I guess. But! Blood Tribute isn't just kind of expensive, it's too expensive if you ask me. Sure, it takes away half of their life, but by turn 6, I should feasibly be close to winning (assuming all goes well).
I know your pain, Huggs. Guess we should make some Vampire decks and see what happens? *grimaces* You used Sanguine Bond! Thank you, finally someone who sees its uses! And I agree with you, John, except in the circumstance you find yourself playing a multiplayer formatted game. Then, you have all the time in the world to accumulate the mana and release hell upon them all.
In a multiplayer format, I would most certainly probably use it. (Unless some people instantly thought I was the biggest dick at the table just for using a vampire deck [sadly, it happens]). I wish Sanguine Bond was still standard legal so much, it was such a good card to use with Sanguine Bond. It'd either win or get them to 1 life every time.
One of the reasons I only playe Legacy and Standard Extended. :D
twilight deck
I do appreciate that you were going for a "theme" and I also acknowledge that you did ask for "constructive criticism", that said, you did title it "Vampires (Done Properly)" and you opened yourself to people being harsh and such, so anyone with a different version of Vampires will have something to say, just putting my two cents in on that, but back to the deck, its solid, always room for improvement, I'd only suggest breaking up your mana curve a little, your deck looks like it will get bogged down in two and three drops, couple one drops make a dramatic difference.
I totally agree with that statement. I love one drops, for the most part. Pulse Tracker is a damned good card.
Dude, I don't understand. If you call your deck "tourniment quality" you should expect people to be harsh... because they are greading a deck designed for tourniments. If its a fun deck don't call it that
I actually call it "tournAment quality". Plus, I re-did some stuff. I'd say it's actually tournament quality at this point, aside from the fact that I haven't made it multi-colored yet.
John, honestly, this is a pretty clean-cut deck, and looks like it could work fairly swiftly. As is above pointed out in various ways, it has room for improvement, but whose doesn't? It's good that you're not budging when people offer up their conventional Vampire answers, but by the same token, some of this advice makes a good deal of sense. I've hated the Zendikar Vampires (for the most part, few exceptions) because of what it did to the actual tribe itself, which prided itself on being rare and a true pain in the ass. Now, everyone and their mother makes a Zendikar Vampire deck. It's like Slivers all over again. What I guess I'm trying to say is that the Vampires as a tribe have become the cliche of Magic, so seeing a Vampire deck has become a rather common sight. It didn't have to be that way. If everyone would stop using the same, almost ritualistic deck builds for this sadly overestimated Magic block, it could be interesting again. I'm not saying there's anything terribly wrong with your deck on a structural level, I'm just saying that it reflects itself over 40 times on this website. I'd like to see it turned upside down, shaken out, left to dry, and then reweaved. A good start was by using a Vampire almost every player terms as 'terrible'. Just please, up the ante a little, add a few new things to make it look new again. Now that the rant is done, a few suggestions to make this deck seem different from its unlimited stock of brothers and sisters. SoM did a wonderful thing when it was brought into the gaming community since Zendikar: It gave you new Vampires. Granted, the vampires and their spells are far and few between insofar, but the ones that are there reveal a sliver of the menace that they once were. Metalcraft vampires! The Bleak Coven Vampires, while they don't seem particularly great (Come on, a 4/3 for a CMC of 5?!), provide a nice amount of life drain as long as you have the artifacts. Another great card, Exsanguinate, makes multiplayer versus you not only annoying, but painful. Of course, there are other various amounts of cards that can be deemed 'vampiric', but that depends on your willingness to leave behind creature type for commonly shared abilities. Just some food for thought. - Az
First of all, holy dear sweet god, that was a huge response. Second, I'm glad someone else at least somewhat sides with me not giving in to these changes, because as you said, I don't want it to be like everyone else's. As far as Exsanguinate goes, I really only like using it in 3+ player games. Another somewhat good card that taunts me to put it in there is Crypt of Agadeem, but that'd only be if my creatures are getting destroyed as quickly as they're put out, and if I lived long enough to use it in combination with Exsanguinate. But alas, I'm going to follow the shit out of you, because you gave real advice, and weren't a prick about it. So thanks for that.
*grins* You're welcome. And the same here, when it comes to the Crypt and Exsanguinate. I have a few decks meant specifically for multiplayer while they're in a different Vampire format, and I often use both in them. Oh, and one I didn't point out that would be of great use to a Vampire deck: Sangromancer. (Just imagine Sigourney Weaver saying that instead of "Avatar." and you have it.)
I just realized that in a Demon deck, Crypt/Exsanguinate would ruin some people's days. "I have 3 life left." "...I now have 18 life, and you have 2." "You're an asshole, and I'm leaving." Perfect!
Pretty easily, yep. As for the asshole part, you get called that regardless, especially if you use a deck that has a real mean streak. I once made an Orzhov for multiplayer. It lasted all of that game, because as soon as my 'asshole' cards came out, every person on the field decided I wasn't playing nice. My newest deck is meant for multiplayer as well as single, but I suspect it will see the same demise as that poor Orzhov bastard. Coincidentally, it happens to be a Vampire deck. "Blood Disorder" http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=158897
Only suggestion, perhaps another bloodghast. Running 4 will give you a better chance of getting it earlier on, which is nice with bloodghast. All in all the deck looks pretty fun, captivators are really annoying in casual games. I'd also like to say, that nobody's trying to be a dick to you or boss you around. The reason people are saying the things they're saying is 'cause you posted it as a tournament quality deck, so people are gonna suggest what'd be best to change if you actually are trying to win at FNM or something (and yea, i saw that you clearly stated that this is NOT the decks purpose. Anyway, that's the reason certain people are responding the way they are...
Captivators are some of my best friends in casual games. Haha. But you should have seen some of the comments that WERE up before I deleted them. People were acting like I was a leper, and should have never started playing MTG in the first place.
Terramorphic expanse only makes sense in landfall decks and multicolor so you can pick which color to get out based on what you need. I know bloodghast has a landfall effect but I don't see the difference between a normal swamp and terramorphic for this use... Still a good deck of vamps tho. I can tell you wanted standard, otherwise I'd say check my vampire deck. People complain about the mana curve and how I have singles mixed in, but truth is I haven't met any decks it can't beat 75% of the time outside of a blue mill... and I still beat those 25% of the time. If I created the right side board I could do some anti mill so they still couldn't win.
Well if you happen to know of a mono-black fetch land that's standard legal, please, by all means, let me know. They're in there for if I already have a gratuitous amount of swamps, and want to rail people with my Bloodghasts, and then get them back at the end of the turn.
Good deck personally i like 4 bloodghast also Dark Tutelage is amazinggg it keeps the deck going the only other thing i didnt care for was the kill package id run 3 go for the throat and 2 doom blade cause thats the package that kills pretty much everything also u should consider Inquisition of Kozilek so what i would do is -2 Bloodchief - 1 disfigure + 3 Dark Tutelage -2 Doom Blade - 2 Grasp + 1 Bloodghast and +3 go for the throat Hope that helped some
Dark Tutelage isn't for me. That's pretty much all I have to say about that. I sometimes sideboard in either Duress or Inquisition of Kozilek whenever I play artifact decks, as well. So yes, that's usually a good choice, but not quite for main board. And I have Go For The Throat sideboarded so.. it's gonna stay there.
Guys wtf? Why are you insulting this guy. He made an original and good deck. He's trying to be creative!
Good array of vamps, a few cards I find useful in my vamp decks are blade of the bloodchief (it can cet pretty ridiculous fast, and it's cheap) and virulent swipe (can deal that last little bit of damage, and the deathtouch can get rid of really big creatures, when you don't have removal, especially good on a hexmage), also, although it's a bit risky, if you have the vamps out, feast of blood is really good, life-gain, and no colour restrictions, although any mass removal sort of makes it useless, sideboard maybe?
Feast Of Blood is a great card, but only in certain situations. Most of the time I end up holding the damn thing all game.
pretty good vamp deck, don't listen to everybody else, keep it original.
That's what I'm saying, man. Nobody listens. Haha. But thanks!