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You didn't want to play those cards anyway, did you? Mass mill...can mill someone very quickly if played correctly. Recently edited to include more creature milling, because creatures are cool. And I feel like it makes it a little more solid, because honestly milling is pretty hit or miss. Archive in sideboard if opponent searches, Leyline for Dredge/recursion, Tormod's Crypt if they have Eldrazi graveyard triggers, Memoricide for specific threats. ...So I just discoverd Lim-Dul's Vault. Why every single U/B deck does not have this card is a mystery to me. I seriously think that this is probably the best card in Magic that I have ever seen, period.
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One thing I've always wanted to do with Mind Funeral is play a kicked Sadistic Sacrament (removing 15 lands) before the Funeral :p
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Glimpse the Unthinkable Memory Sluice Tome Sour Haunting Echos Archive Trap You should put in alot more Mill in there other than Traumatize, Mind Funeral, and Nemeses of Reason. Traumatize is good but I would only go with two. side board some Leyline of the Void - that way if they run Eldrazi, Unearth, or dredge you take away there graveyard.
Memory Sluice is amazing with a couple of Grimoire Thiefs. Scalpelexis is also great.
@DedWards - MF after a Sadistic Sacrament would be amazing! If only the kicker wasn't 7! @Beyondallreason This deck was made only with cards I have IRL, but some of the ones you mentioned are ones that I absolutely want. I guess it's time to turn this into a fantasy deck! I need Haunting Echoes, Glimpse, and a Leyline of the Void. The main point here is not a complete mill (thus Tome Scour and Memory Sluice aren't worth it to me because they don't mill very many cards.) After any amount of decent milling, a couple Suffer the Pasts will knock someone out (unless they have Platinum Emperion, in which case milling will continue.) Thank you for the comments guys!
Haunting Echoes and Leyline of the Void are redundant. Also, if you want to try something potentially fun with Sacrament and Mind Funeral, try running a pair of Panoptic Mirror :) You can cast Sacrament for free during your upkeep, and still pay the kicker for {7}. It's a bit of a heavy combo, but you have plenty of other spells you could put on the mirror as well and {7} is a lot more achievable than {7}{B}{B}{B}.
They are certainly not redundant! Leyline of the Void/Tormod's Crypt are for Eldrazi graveyard-shuffling hijinks....that's why they're in the sideboard. Haunting Echoes is great in a mill deck in general, but it's sorcery speed won't stop a single Emrakul. About Panoptic Mirror, that is a great idea! It would take a little heavy investment at first, but the upside of casting it for free forever after is pretty awesome. Any suggestions as to what I should switch out for a couple? I would probably use 2 Panoptics.
Hmm... I like this, but I'd try to get more Guiltfeeders in there.
lol i like the deck but add 1 more dark ritual and a royal assassin or 4, getting 1 of those guys out really devastates an opponents deck (most of the time)
You have too many Lim-Dul's Vault (6)
Wow. And they are listed 3 different times (3, 1, 2) hahaha! I don't know what happened there. I blame the vault lol
its a pretty good build imo. expensive too. to help with the SS u could use a few everflowing chalice just a thought. i use mind funeral in my bolas deck and it always makes my opp really angry, such a great card=]
Thanks! Mind Funeral has always been one of my favorite cards since I started playing. It's just so damn cool! Chalices would certainly help me kick SS, but I don't know what I would replace. I'm already at 62 cards right now, which stresses me out lol I can't figure out what to cut!
I'd like to match this up with my control deck. Mill deck seem to be one of two weaknesses for it and this seems interesting since it has more creatures than usual. Btw I never saw that card lim dul's vault before that is pretty sick
Path to exile and archive trap is a cool combo to think about. And what about drowner initiat and tome scour?
Path to Exile + Archive Trap would be a really sick combo, I just don't think I want to splash white... And Drowner and Tome Scour are great 1 drops but I don't know... I don't really see anything I could take out. Control and mill are a pretty interesting match-up. It really all comes down to the draw! I think Lim-Dul's Vault (isn't that card crazy?) would give this deck a slight edge, since I could just look for a bunch of mill cards in a row (hopefully) and pray that you don't counter all of them lol. I'll check out your control deck! Thanks for the comments!
This is a sweet deck man. That Lim-Dul's Vault card is ridiculous. You can get any card you want and then reorganize the next four cards in you deck. I can see why they never reprinted it. Could help my cut down my infect/mill deck? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=232783 thanks
I still need to get ahold of my mind funerals. damn
They are surprisingly difficult to get hold of (unless you buy them and even then...)
You mite like the one land coming in Innestrad: Nephalia Drownyard Land Rare {T}: Add {1} to your mana pool. {1]{U}{B}, {T}: Target player puts the top three cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard.
This is a wonderful deck. I really like to play mill, but im having trouble making a satndard one. any ideas?
check out my mono blue mega mill! its got some cool ideas. kinda revolves around jace though. i wonder what would happen if they played against one another?? cool deck tho man. guiltfeeder was one of my first rares :)
take out traumatize.... its embarrassing that you even considered putting it in the deck... its literally the worst mill card ever printed.
I'd beg to differ, it's an awesome Mill staple. In a mill deck your target is (on average) 53 cards (60 - 7) and Traumatize does half the job in one move, it's almost like saying "I pay 5 to deal you 10 damage". Though playing 4 in a deck isn't a good idea, 2 is just fine :p
In a 26 land deck (assuming 1 land per turn until 4th turn, 5th land on 6th) that's 60 cards (full library) - 7 (opening hand) - 6 (cards drawn for 6 turns) = 47 cards remaining (assuming no other mill) / 2 (Traumatize) = Mill 23 cards. A competent mill deck should have already milled 20+ cards by then, so Mill 13 cards. It's like archive trap without the trap part ;) Imo, Haunting Echoes is infinitely better. I would recommend running (the card named) Extract over Traumatize. It'll help pull Eldrazi, and other things that shuffle the graveyard back into the library.
You make a good argument, but I still like Traumatise (personal preference and whatnot). I do agree on the extraction to get rid of cards that shuffle back, but in addition to that (or instead of) the Leyline of the Void (or even Planer Void) would solve that problem too :p
Traumatize does still have its strong suits, like if an opponent mills into an Eldrazi before you can extract it, or drops an Elixir of Immortality, or I've even seen a good anti-mill mechanic worked into Big Green with Kozilek and Fauna Shaman. It's a failsafe, because once an opponent shuffles their graveyard, mill is pretty much done for. This, at the very least, will put 20 or so cards back into their graveyard post-shuffle. Regarding LotV, I usually encounter two varieties of mill -- that which runs LotV and mills through their entire library, and milltraction with Haunting Echoes. I personally prefer milltraction, there's just so much more versatility (like Snapcaster Mage coming out in Innistrad) but LotV is certainly viable, and even excels against certain decks. It's pretty much the /only/ mill that can win against Dredge, but then that's LotV for you :P Also, there's another creature you (Majician) might want to look into -- Shimian Specter. He doesn't see much competitive playtime, but he's one of my all time favorite creatures :) It's like Memoricide on a flying stick, without the "name a card" stipulation.
There is a lot of debate with Traumatize and it does come down to mostly preference. However I tend to agree with Savage and gtrevor that it isn't that great. My two biggest reasons for disliking this card is that It can not win the game for you and it gets weaker each turn. If they only have 2 cards left in their library and all you have is a traumatize then you gotta pay 5 mana to mill 1 card. I personally like Haunting Echoes and Archive Trap better. Archive trap is my favorite because it can trigger for free and early in the game. It is a real pain to players that use tutors or fetch lands. Also it can mill 13 itself and isn't dependent on what is in their graveyard or how many card their deck has. It is a consistent big mill that can easily win the game for you. Also Lim-Dul's Vault is an awesome card that I have overlooked up to this point. Thanks for showing me that card I have put it into a combo based blue/black mill deck if you would like to take a look. Its very fast and wins by turn 4 very consistently. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=184155 As always, good luck with your deck!
I've never considered that Traumatize does not win the game, I was merely looking at its efficiency for its cost. Haunting Echoes doesn't necessarily win the game either, but it does put you real close to ending it. My favorite thing about Archive Trap is combo'ing it with Ghost Quarter and Mind Funeral :) It just reeks of amazing synergy. And Lim-Dul's Vault /is/ amazing, its like a tutor that can find multiple answers at once :D Just beware, I've lost games because of it too. Sometimes you have to know when to stop cycling and change strategies based upon what's on top.
I'd have a look at Spoils of Evil from Ice Age.. Provides a LOT of colourless mana to fuel a kicked sadistic sacrament early, and gives you life gain as a bonus..
That's actually obscenely good in Mill o.o It would enable you to run a colorless kill spell as an alt win condition, as well as fit with the Sacrament -> Mind Funeral combo. Love learning about cards ^_^
Haha yeah man, it's one of those overlooked cards like Lim-Dul's ^^ Can fuel a Psychic Drain, Mind Spring, Mind Shatter, or a Profane Command =3
It can fuel a LOT actually. I mean, mill with a turn 2 Emrakul? Who'd've thunk it? :P
Oh my god. So much to think about...thank you guys for all of the comments and ideas! I haven't logged on in a couple of days (Minecraft 1.8.1 just came out) and I was just like whoaaa +60?! Spoils of Evil sounds AWESOME. Especially coupled with Psychic Drain, Sad. Sacrament, Profane Command...so many options. Ghost Quarter with Archive Trap/Mind Funeral works extremely well too. I never even thought about using Ghost Quarter in that way. I think my head is going to explode. I might have to just make a new mill deck altogether. I agree with everyone's points on Traumatize (except the dude who said it is the worst mill card ever.) For me personally, not only do I like it as a concept and flavor-wise, but it has also usually worked out pretty well. I understand it is expensive to cast, but getting it out early (turn 3) usually decimates my opponent. Following it with Haunting Echoes is usually game. Shimian Specter is amazing too. I don't like it's dependency on the oponent's hand though...that's my only misgiving about it. I have quite a bit to think about; again thanks for all of the comments! I really appreciate your opinions and suggestions.
What is the Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth doing in here? I can't see any purpose. Maybe I am missing something?
Might as well have one in. It can tap for black itself, and it can make any Island I have able to tap for black as well. It's not a piece to any grand combo or anything, it's just that more options for mana are always welcome! It's usually a good idea to have one in any multi-color deck that uses black.
Have you thought of adding belltower sphinx?
Honestly, no. It certainly is a nice card for defensive purposes (are you suuuure you're gonna attack and mill yourself?), but it's expensive and in truth not that effective at milling. Nemesis of Reason is way superior for milling, and Guiltfeeder is more superior for killing. I already have 7 cards in my 5 CMC slot, so I have to be very careful about adjusting the mana curve. Thanks for the suggestion though!
DOOOOOOOOD Grindclock x4 Gilder Barin x4 Paradise Mantle x4 and Training Grounds x4 Play Training Grounds equip Paradise Mantle to Gilder Barin tap the Grindclock to get a counter on it then BAM unlimited amount of counters on grind clock tap and win ... thoughts???
Way too combo heavy. If a combo is more than 2 cards required, it'll lose to a competent opponent. If you're going to run something with a 4 piece combo, it had better share synergy with the rest of the deck. Gilder, Mantle, and Training Grounds have no synergy with this deck at all, ergo it'll lose.
Exactly. I actually already made a 'fun' combo deck involving the Gilder group to win with Darksteel Reactor instead of Grindclock. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=220569 It's just for kicks and will pretty much hardly ever go off. Infinite combos like that are cool, but 4 pieces is way too many, and it wouldn't fit in with this deck, as the Cabbage has said. It would have to be it's own deck that focuses on and protects the combo. All of that being said, Grindclock is a pretty cool card and I even considered it for this deck, but decided to go with much quicker milling via spells.
This reminds me a lot of my Mil deck, I like it a lot.
soooo...Innistrad..... Visions of Beyond? :-o
I could really use some help on fine-tuning my standard U/W deck, if anyone would care to take a look! I want to take it to a tournament or two, so input would be really appreciated!!! http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=237962 Give it a peek!
I always just LOVED playing mill decks, especially in the emperor game style sitting in the middle hehe. +1 Could you and the guys also check out and rate my new vamp Innistrad vamp deck? I am in a big need of suggestions and comments. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=236584 Thanks.