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I have put quite a bit of effort into building this deck, but nothing is ever perfect. I would greatly appreciate any help this community can give and curiosity is in the sideboard for the infinite combo with niv, thanks demonking and spawnk for pointing that out
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Looks nice. Sorry, I can't help you here. This format is not in my arena.
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Thanks for looking anyways KJ :D. But this is probably tho most complicated deck ive built, the rest are pretty straightforward
I looked at the deck a little more and wow. Hand mill burn? That's crazy. I have some ideas but they would just slow the deck down.
i wasnt truly thinkin about mill when i made it. the ways i envisioned winning when making it was just damage from a giant adamaro; or if he gets exiled or destroyed, damage from gaze of adamaro, browbeat, spiraling and niv. but with jushi and the mine/kami, deck out is a possibility. You can never have enough ways to win. and it doesnt matter im always open to ideas
a diff concept man i like it. u do know that u can actually go inf with niv right? most decks set up with niv just go inf for the win. now to use Adamaro, maybe something that can make ur opp have no max hand size at will. like u give them a spell book and later in the game u can blow it up. another great card that was made for these decks is pychosis crawler. its just a win that no one sees commin till its too late lol. one last thing is a card that basically will lock ur opp once they have no max hand size. hope it helps
demonking, what do you mean by inf? ima noob remember haha. But check out anvil of bogardan i think you missed it, its old style text for both players have no maximum handsize. and i think i had pyscho crawler in there, i had about 120 cards to start. it took a painfully long time to cut it down, and some of the cuts involved difficult decissions like taking him out. I might be able to find room again though
ya i had both him and sturmgeist, dont know why i got rid of both
hehehe evil glard >:D. u really want to know? just go to magicthegathering.com and go to gather. type in niv and see what ppl r sayin bout him in the discussion part. there r cards allowing u to use niv to his max making him go for infinite amount of damage. its very very cheap. more experienced players see the combo coming and pretty much concede on spot.
I can see how he can be cheap. If i have him out with jushi, or have him out and draw minds aglow, itll most likely be the end of that game. My deck is more based around adamaro, but a deck based around niv would be amazing (puzzle box, wheel of fortune, etc)
I agree with KJ I can not help you here with this deck though it looks good, would u have a problem running some decks on mtgo if you are interested?? Make anything closer to standard and I should be able to help because I've only been playing since beginning of 2011.
It depends on the price of the decks. And i started playing at lorwyn, so i just use starcitygames.com advanced search to find good cards from sets i havent used
Anyone know there are no commander cards on cardhoarder.com? i didnt play when that set was released, is there anything special about it
dude playing commander is just boss. check out ur local card shop and cadkingdom.com to see if u can get them.
O commander is a different game type? Are commander cards like Nin (not niv) legal in legacy?
for info on the cards legal status, its best just to look it up on gather. the card will have a tab where u can check on its legal status. http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Printings.aspx?multiverseid=236473 that should be the link for Kaalia and it appears from this that she is indeed legal for Legacy O.O wow... as if she isnt already just a bad ass creature..
Thanks for lookin it up for me :D and she is bad ass you should make a deck around her, or if i have time i will
not a prob and i have one on here that is a 60 and i run her as a commander in my area and she is very fast. usually she wins me the game and my version of Kaalia is a RWB reanimate deck. soooo she doesnt stay dead for long >:D
Oh? could you link it mr.150decks
its a very crude build but here is my attempt at a 60 card Kaalia deck. no i dont own most of the cards in the deck like baneslayer for instance loll. if i get some time i might post up my EDH version of her. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=219156 Kaalia in Casual play.
I made a deck a looooong time back that did something similar (i.e., forced the opponent to draw themselves to death). Runeflare Trap and Swans of Byrn Argoll are both worth looking at for this =]
wow runeflare trap is amazing, definetly going to add it. Thanks :D
that is a good combo sure, what ppl in my area do with those damn birds is enchant them with pariah and or equip it with pariah's shield.. >_> hate them birds...
That would be awful to play against demonking. Sadly they dont work too great in this deck. I did think about them when i was first making it
yah.... it wasnt fun to go against them using those combos. only thing i could do was just over power their field and hope they could stop me. im more of a burn/aggro kinda player. sooooo i love red which has no way to really get rid of the stupid things. well minus one of my fav red cards, Decree of Annihilation! hahahaha love it. >:D
<3 red. unfortunately i dont think theyll ever make a red version of path/unmake
thats bc a red mage like myself would have the ultimate evil laugh and just abuse that relentlessly even after its rotated out XD btw posted the link in the early talk between us to my Kaalia deck, the 60 card version.
I checked it out and ill repeat my comment, that deck has sooo much potential. im going to try and make a legacy version of that if i ever finish perfecting my new favorite deck-this one
lol kool. idk i think its pretty good now. not sure what else i can suggest for ya to fix with it.
thanks, your right though it might be the best it can be. sample hands are lookin pretty solid
I really need a sideboard though i just realized
hmm another trap or 2, some pillar of flame just cause its awesome like that, some swans and pariah's shield? might work for a sb.
there we are, thank you for the advice
not a prob, glade to help
I am very surprised that no one has mentioned Arcane Denial yet. This could would fit great into your deck I believe. Counter target spell. Its controller may draw up to two cards at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep. You draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep. This only cost you (1)B to play so it would fit in this deck theme easy (also very budget card .50 cent or less) even if they don't draw the cards at least you can still draw a card. Runeflare Trap should also be added in as surewhynot has said already. Also just for fun you could add in Sword of War and Peace for siggles but it wouldn't really be needed. (sideboard it maybe?)
I cant afford the sword :/ but thank you for the advice ill replace remand with arcane denial
have you thought of including black vise? it could do a lot of burst on your opponent after all the card draw you forced on him. also, though it might be very taxing to balance things out, maybe you could consider splashing in black for sign in blood and blood gift demon? maybe even underworld dreams? but, these cards will be hard to fit in, and your set up is already quite good. but i really do recommend throwing in Black Vise.
Black vise does work very well, do you think i should take out ivory tower or spiraling embers for it?
also, since you have red in the deck, why not try Bazaar Trader? it's a card from ZEN block, 2 cmc to cast, with the ability T: target player gains control of target artifact, creature or land you control. this would be really great for transferring Spellbook to your opponent, which will greatly increase Adamaro's stats and the damage from Gaze of Adamaro. ^_^ cheers!!
I have four anvils to give them no maximum handsize, but id prefer having six chances to do this rather than four. Great idea hanya, im just not sure what to remove
Alright I made a few changes thanks to all of your wonderful advice. -1 nin, the pain artist -2 ivory tower -1 spiraling embers -2 gaze of adamaro -2 remand +2 runeflare trap +2 black vise +1 jushi apprentice +1 bazaar trader +2 arcane denial
Better or worse?
what do you have the trader for? what are you wanting to give to an opponent?
He is there in case i do not draw anvil of bogardan, which gives my opponent no maximum hand size. I can give them spellbook or reliquary tower. Giving them no maximum handsize makes runeflare trap, adamaro, and black vise all more powerful. It was an idea that was suggested to me by hanya in the above comments
I think Bazaar trader is a bad idea. If the soul reason you have bazaar trader is to make runeflare trap more effective, you're only feeding them the ammunition they need to reverse the battle they are losing. They will already have 7 cards in their hand with all the draw cards you'll be playing, plus the extra 3 I'm sure you can make them draw on a particular turn. This equates to 10 damage, which for 1 mana isn't half bad. I'm not sure why you decided to incorporate the bazaar trader combo to potentially deal perhaps 1 or 2 damage more. You should focus on more draw cards to make your deck more effective, rather than giving your opponent what they desperately need - no maximum hand size. However I do see the logic behind anvil bogardan, I just feel this card is a much safer and less costly strategy than the bazaar trader.. May I add what a shame it is that you can't splash black for something like lilliana's carress ;]
I might go grixis in a 2.0 version of the deck. and I guess bazaar does take away a bit of speed, playing him could be a waste of a turn. ill take him out for a nin, but it was at least a good thought to incorporate him
The trader is an interesting card, and can be very useful, but I have to agree with yummip and say that it gives your opponent more ammo, and allows them to sit and wait a bit. I don't think the Trader is a waste of a turn, but it just seems like you don't have the cards to make it really shine in this deck. Maybe if you had some temp control cards, like act of treason and such it would be a major pain then.
Yah he is a cool card, i might make a deck around him :p
Yeah, I am trying to design a B/R/W lockdown deck with him. It is pretty barebones right now though, haven't had time to put more thought into it yet. The basic idea is bazaar trader+painter's servant+alabaster leech and maybe contamination to deal with white decks.
if only bazaar also gave enchants, there would be an awesome use for dragon appeasement. Let me know how the deck turns out
I will let you know. I will build it at some point and of course post it here after the design work is done. Of course all suggestions would be welcome. :)
May i also suggest looking at venser's journal
I originally had venser's journal, but instead i included ivory tower in my sideboard. (essentially -4 mana to play, -4 life gain each turn; decent trade off)
Check out this deck. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=373504
Font of mythos?
Hmm, i had it in the original version, ill think about adding it again
What do you think will happen to UW Delver after RTR??? Check out my UW Delver Pro deck: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=373216
Thats like a month away man, but ill check out your deck
Hey, This looks nice! Come and build a Standard deck with me! Here's the link: http://www.mtgvault.com/EditDeck.aspx?DeckID=366745 Thanks.
Thank you, and ok i will tremorth :D
masa u wanted to see my Kaalia commander well here she is http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=373778 Kaalia EDH
Thanks demonking. I gotta make an EDH deck
lol not a prob and there r plenty of legends to use and build around.
Could I get some help with my EDH deck? I have no clue what to do, where to begin,etc... http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=369299
I didnt know what it was until today, but ill try my best
Can you check out my EDH deck? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=373982
Put curiosity in, it's an infinite combo with Niv
wait, how is it infinite, you only draw one card
Im probably just missing something though haha
its inf bc niv can tap draw a card meaning he does 1 damage. if he is enchanted with curiosity then bc u did damage u can draw another card which in turn means Niv will do another damage and so on. -_- hes pretty much a broken card but is a bad ass everyone must admit lol.
Yup i am idiotic. thanks for spellin it out for me demonking haha. I have quite a few turn two win/infinite combo decks, so im only gonna put it in my sideboard to use only against people i dont like XD
Thanks everyone for the comments and likes, this deck means a lot to me :)
Hey, could you check out this deck that I'm working on? No one uses mono-black in my meta so I thought I'd give it a shot. Thanks. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=373938
Of course KJ
Pass the word. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=374033
Awesome deck. Check mine out please. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=368642
Thank you. and i shall
Did you ever pick a deck from that post plus I made a standard goblin deck yesterday ($26 mid) and a slumbering dragon primordial hydra predator ooze deck ($25 low). Goblins http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=375169 Slumbering Hydra's Ooze http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=373268
I like both those decks theyre awesome for their price, thanks for the post
No problem masa! Werewolfs!!!! http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=357774 Vampires!!!!! http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=350233
Hi masafumsa, You've got an interesting deck concept, but unfortunately, you're not using the best cards to abuse the concept. Personally I try to building around cards like Underworld Dreams and Lilianna's Caress. Make opponent take damage for drawing cards or discarding cards then use cards like Wheel of Fortune, Windfall, etc... Here's quick throw together 4 Underworld Dreams 4 Lilianna's Caress 4 Howling Mines 4 Windfall 4 Arcane Denial 4 Rune Flare Trap 4 Snap Caster Mage 2 Perplex 3 Minds Aglow 3 Burning Inquiry 4 Underground Seas 4 Underground River 4 City of Brass 4 Volcanic Island 4 Mox Diamond 2 Chrome Mox
This is a deck built around adamaro, not underworld dreams. Underworld dream decks are good, but ive seen too many of them. On the other hand, ive never played against any deck that even included adamaro. Im not trying to abuse anything, im just trying to make an outside the box deck. if i had felt like abusing anything, i would have just made a deck built around getting niv out, protecting him, and enchanting him with curiosity for the infinite combo. also, i dont own any mox diamond, volcanic island, chrome mox, snapcaster, or underground seas XD. This is just supposed to be an Izzet deck, so i dont want to splash black. Thanks for the comment though planestalker