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Having fun with Bloodchief Ascension, Liana's Caress, and Mindcrank, Bloodchief Ascension B (1) At the beginning of each end step, if an opponent lost 2 or more life this turn, you may put a quest counter on Bloodchief Ascension. (Damage causes loss of life.) Whenever a card is put into an opponent's graveyard from anywhere, if Bloodchief Ascension has three or more quest counters on it, you may have that player lose 2 life. If you do, you gain 2 life. Liliana's Caress Enchantment, 1B (2) Whenever an opponent discards a card, that player loses 2 life. Mindcrank Artifact, 2 (2) Whenever an opponent loses life, that player puts that many cards from the top of his or her library into his or her graveyard. (Damage dealt by sources without infect causes loss of life.) The main question I have about the deck is when ever the opponent discards hand due to Wheel of Fortune does each individual card discarded activate damage by Liliana's Caress? Turn 1 Lay land cast Dark Ritual then Cast Liliana's Caress and possibly Bloodchief Ascension Turn Two Lay land and cast another Dark Ritual and cast Wheel of Fortune = a possible 14 points damage to opponent
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bloodchief ascension is a must in any mill themed deck. youll never have to mill. get three counters on it, and make em mill ten cards. its game.
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and yes every card they discard dose do damage
right, allow me to rephrase that: the bloodchief ascension is a must in any black card control deck.
Jorentju_84, Thanks for the advise have made changes accordingly.
Tolarian Winds can't be used to target an opponent, it only works on yourself. I have a similar deck and I tried Bloochief Ascension, I find it a little slow because basically a Liliana's Caress does the job without any counters. Since this isn't really a mill deck, it might be better to use something else. Some suggestions: Blightning, Burning Inquiry, Wistful Thinking
fywdyl, Thanks for pointing out Tolarian wWnds can't be used to target opponent I obivious misread it. Of the substitutions I like Burning Inquiry best 3 discards for 1 mana is nice. But after a little research I came up with an even more interesting one. Abandon Hope Sorcery, X1B (2) As an additional cost to cast Abandon Hope, discard X cards. Look at target opponent's hand and choose X cards from it. That player discards those cards. which could combo with Brink of Madness Enchantment, 2BB (4) At the beginning of your upkeep, if you have no cards in hand, sacrifice Brink of Madness and target opponent discards his or her hand. Have made changes accordingly.
Pretty intense deck you've got here. My only suggestion is that although megrim is good, it's junk now compared to liliana's caress. Replace it with Quest for the Nihil Stone, because your enemy will probably not have a hand. A lot. For other discard card ideas, see: Hymn to Tourach
Hmmm... have you thought about throwing in Mind Twist instead of the Abandon Hope?
No I hadn't thought to use Mind Twist mainly because Abandon Hope combos with Brink of Madness = if I have no hand then opponent also has no hand.
I was playing with this deck and noticed that maybe 1 or 2 Haunting Echoes might be nice in this deck. What do you think? And what should I take out if I do?
Jace's Archivist is a bomb in here.
Yes Jace's Archist is a good card in this deck. But I am deliberately avoiding putting in creatures so as to create a virtual card advantage. Each kill creature card in opponent's deck wil be become a useless card against my deck. May be I'll put Jace's Archivist and Hypnotic Spector in sideboard. In the hopes that opponent will take out kill cards in second game.
yo man i run BCA too in my burn kill deck sold card for bloodthrust too, plus there is an instant win combo with mindcrank Whenever an opponent loses life, that player puts that many cards from the top of his or her library into his or her graveyard. (Damage dealt by sources without infect causes loss of life.) + BCA one BCA is active all u have to do is have one card hit the graveyard and then the combo goes off)
oh yeah and archive trap in the side board for caw-blade match ups.
Awesome deck btw caress and ascension are amazing with jace's archivist, or any windfall/tolarian winds style cards that get them discarding 4-5 a turn. That's pretty much what you're doing with red, and you're doing it really well. I run archivist with caress, ascension, jace's erasure with some tutors, counterspells, and removal for game. it's really efficient and cheap. I might want to add red for burning inquiry et al. This deck provided me with good ideas, thanks. Here's my deck link. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=208433
Looks like a cool deck idea, but you may consider running either M10 Duals or something to replace those Forsake Cities and Crosis's Catacombs. Deck Link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=232098
You're obviously not keeping this standard, so PUT BLIGHTNING IN!!! There is no reason not to have that card in the deck, and it's a freaking mean card. Also, creatures might be nice. I'd recommend anything with "Specter" in the name.
Yes, blightning is nice. But Burning Inquiry and Wheel of Fortune are so much better in this deck. I guess I could take out a few counterspells or dark rituals for Blightning. Let me know if it better. The deck is deliberately creatureless. Any anti-creature cards the opponent has in their deck are pretty much dead cards. This is sometimes referred to as virtual card advantage.
now what happens when a player doesnt have a hand anymore......
Have you ever considered the combination of Bloodchief Ascension and the artifact Mindcrank? It creates an infinite loop when triggered.
Yes, I considered mindcrank. In the original version of the deck I had mindcrank instead of megrim. It still is a good idea. I just like having more sources discard damage in the deck.
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Burning inquiry anyone? I was thinking about making a deck similar to this, and thought that it might be a good addition. with that you would never have to worry about them not having cards in their hand.
Kazzong, If you look closely there are 4 Burning Inquiry in the deck already.
That was in response to finalpersona. He asked what happens when they have no cards in hand?
Nice deck. Please check and comment mine U/R ;) http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=230806
Hi gugajrf, Glad you like the deck. Checked out your deck and left comments and suggestions.
underworld dreams with burning inquiry and wheel of fortune is always pretty nice too. kinda meh because of the 3 black casting cost, but if you get anything that causes them to draw and discard, it REALLY hurts. Food for thought.
Hi Shinji213, Underworld dreams is a good card, but as you note BBB is sort of hard to come by in this deck accept by way of dark ritual. If you go an all black discard deck Underworld dreams and Chains of Mephistopheles might be a an interesting addition to this type of deck.
no bloodcrank combo? (blood chief ascension and Mindcrank)
Hi Deidrick, Well you are the third or fourth person to suggest Mindcrack. In the orginal version of the deck I had Mindcranks instead of Megrim. I guess will I should switch it out even if it is pretty a "bit cheap" as Reader noted.
yeah, I did like your originality though. Its always fun to see new ideas popping up.
Maybe it's just me but infinite combos have always been a bit cheap(IE: bloodcrank)...