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Friend toke it to FNM - Pápa, Hungary... 1st round: Selesnya Populate... 2-0 2nd round: Grixis control... 2-1 3rd round: Jund aggro... 2-1 4th round: Bant populate... 2-0 5th round: Grixis control... 2-1 Final round: R/G/U/W(little red) aggro - populate... 2-0 Finished: 1st ...good work, man!.. :) Standard(2012. october) B/G/U zombies Vraska - Unblockable & Scavange...
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Oooooh.... I like this! I can totally see Dreg Manglers et all getting rotated in to my Braaains deck! Thanks for the tip!
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U R wellcome! ...& THX 4 the positive feedback! :)
Interesting and cool, however I feel like 4 planeswalkers is a little high. I would run 2 Vraska's if any (personally don't like her). Endless Ranks seems to me to be a dead drop with detention sphere's, supreme verdicts and worst of all terminus' everywhere I would run an extra Grimgrin so you find him cause I think it's a great finisher especially with captains and crawlers. I wouldn't use slitherheads, I had also disregarded people saying run Cacklers not Slitherhead's I finally heeded their advice they just don't preform right as far as I'm concerned. 7 Evasion cards seems a little much to me, I would run rogue's passage and a mix of 4 other evasion equaling 5. With the extra two I would consider negates, and or thought scour/ some card draw. Zombies in comparison to the azorius control just runs out of juice to quick and a terminus with no way to regain cards in hand is just game. Personally I also rely on Geralf's messenger, and dreg sooo much in my deck both seem like amazing creatures because they have immediate field presence.
Thanks for your suggestions!.. I disagree with what U said for my planeswalker & evasion... Vraska & the evasion spells R exactly against mass removal... I lose my zombies & than play Vraska, get the assassins & strike in by evasion... :) This deck is only 37% about grave & that is why it's impossible to prepare for intierly... Cackler is a shit.ie card, no matter what anyboddy would say... Slitherhead is good for both the Troll & GrimGrin... It's an amazing card... I've had a lot of people suggest me the same thing for a single deck many times & I realized that it only proves that they R average builders, who follows what said to be effective... For example, they suggest Thragtusk for about any deck that contains green & white &/or blue... ...no matter I didn't play flicker spells, only populate & in that case, Armada Wurm was way better... Anywayes... THX again!.. :)
Nice idea, but I kinda disagree on Vraska's ultimates, as the Assassins are quite fragile in themselves, and I would suggest you take Endless Ranks, for an extra Dreg Mangler. I agree on Snakerunners comment of taking out the Slitherheads unless you run Corpsejack Menace, to make scavenge more viable. Out of deck comment: if you thought I restrict myself to Casual, here's my Standard list on this days: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=278506
What I take from among your advices is taking Endless Ranks out, but I donno' if I should use a 3rd Dreg Mangler, or a 2nd Grimgrin... Probably a 3rd Dreg...... Slitherhead is awesome with the Troll & very nice with Grimgrin as well... It's essencial & it doesn't matter I don't play Corpsejack... My victory won't be decided on how many counters I place on my creatures by scavange, 'cuz I don't play much of it... Thanks for your suggestions!.. I'll check your decks...
I use 3 Dregs myself, and are an aggro thing to death, boasting 3 power for 3, and haste to boot. It also counts as a Zombie, for Crawler and Captain purposes, so a 3rd one increases the power level very nicely. Seeing your removal, I'd swap 2 Spliters for 2 extra Slips, due to the fact of morbid turning on because of Grim
Yup! ...& it's a great deal for the Troll as well, expecially in the late game... 4 counters :) ... U R right about the Slips & Grimgrin, but I only have 1 Grim.... We'll C how I deal with this...
For me, when using a high profile morbid card, is to be able to consistently turn it on, regardless of what the opponent is doing, and regardless of combat, that is why an argument for Splinters can be made, especially if you don't use sacrifices yourself. If you think you can use morbid consistently, go for Slips, otherwise, stick to Splinters, especially with the Crawlers plan.
i believe that you are playing an aggro zombie deck. you should be able to win before you even play vraska... so you may not be able to ultimate her... so i dont think you need artful dodge or ghostform. add diregraf ghoul and/or geralf's messenger (but very black intensive).
Thanks for your advice!.. I'm not gonna' take out Vraska... The point is that the aggro/grave part is not alwayes enough to win, so I have an evasion - Vraska combo, with evasion also could used in the aggro stuff... Why??... ...'cuz tournament players prepare for grave & aggro & sometimes having nice control to avoid evasion, but they can't have enough medicine for all that in a deck at once... It's impossible to have a competative & stabil deck with finishers, that is well prepared for grave, aggro & evasion with Vraska at once... Even when the play mass removal & whipe out all my zombies by Terminus for example, I'll just play Vraska & if nesesarry, use it's 2nd abillity to finish off the opponent's finisher, that he/she played after the mass removal... Than, after I can get my assassin tokens out the opponent probably gonna' have some creatures & it won't matter, 'cuz I 4 sure gonna' have an evasion card(Artful Dodge, Rogue's Passage, or Ghostform)... :) This is how this deck works.......
Very very nice! Just not sure about Vraska... I personally would exclude him when playing any black + red deck, where the opponent will likely just kill vraska. In that case, I'd side in the tragic slips and abrupt decay. However, against other decks, he could come in very handy indeed! The thing with Vraska is, as soon as you get him out, if someone can't deal with the assassins, they'll target him. If they're not worried, they'll wait for the assassins to ETB, then deal with them. So, for Vraska's assassin ability to go off, you either need to have vraska well defended, or the opponent is not worried for whatever reason (dreadbore, supreme verdict, etc). In the event he's well defended, you probably didn't need him, since another creature may allow you to be more aggro. In the event he is poorly defended, his benefit is a lot less. Because of that, I'd prob lose 2 ghostforms. Having an artful dodge in hand or in the GY should be enough to work with the assassins, and will make your opponent worried. Realise I'm kinda rambling a bit now, but thats how I feel on Vraska. Hope this helps.
Nice thoughts!.. In this deck, according to what the opponent playes, U have to play Vraska at the right time... After a mass removal, or such(if the opponent has any of that... For Dreadbore, I'm playing some Dissipates in the sideboard, but U know, there isn't just Vraska & Evasion here... Check how I replied to Paolosy23, just above your comment, than U'll know what this deck is like in action!.. :) I'm glad U like the deck!.. Check my Azorius &/or Selesnya, when U have the time... I belive U had seen my Grixis, but not those 2...
Ill disagree with everyone vraska is a bomb she wins games but if your using Assassins your doing it wrong just blow up permanents and repeat I used her to kill three restorations angels (I hate angels!!!) 2 with her - ability and 1 with her death touch I would add 1 more grimgrin he's cool and with the captain he gets deadly sacking your wimps to him over and over You sai forbidden alchemy was a bad card this deck would love it take vraska or lotleth troll and dump scavenge and grave crawlers in the yard I don't like bone splinters here not cause of the sac that's fine but the fact it's sorcery speed with a sac I'd use mirder over it but that's just me there's an argument for either I feel like you could cut ghost form you have rouge's passage and artful dodge also with forbidden alchemy you can toss artful and still use it
WOW... Alchenamy is really quite good for this1!.. :) I'm not doing it wrong... It's the best to assist the assassins & the evasion cards R not just good for them, but my zombies as well... Expecially Grimgrin, 'cuz he has no trample, no matter he destroyes creatures, against a token deck, I need the evasion(Artful Dodge at least) for both Grimgrin & the assassins... Artful Dodge is extreamly perfect for this deck, 'cuz I can use it for any perpouse & than flashback for 1 of Vraska's assassins... May be instead of Ghostform & Bone Splinters, I add a 3rd Tragic Slip in the main & 2 Alchenamy... But I don't think I really gonna' use Alchenamy... I just don't like the fact that U need to put 4 cards in your graveyard... It could be massie, when U would need more than 1 of 'em in your hand & the opponent is probably gonna' play anti - grave... Rest in Peace & stuff really could mass it up, if I use the Alchenamy... This deck is not that much of a grave - based 1... ...'cuz those decks R easy to prepare for & break from the base... ...this time... ...it's hard to decide, what to do... I feel like leaving the deck as it is now, but I know, that some change has to be made... I'm probably gonna' drop 1 Ghostform & 1 Bone Splinters for a 2nd Grimgrin & a 4th Dreg Mangler... ...but only temporarly... ...we'll C... Thanx!.. U have helped again... ...& made me think 4 so'... :)
If you force a graveyard hate sideboard with just that your winning anyway lol and my point was that vraska has way more potential then phage-ling generator lol
U R right abaut her potential... I get it, that U mean she's not only good for her ultimate ability... Forcing anti - grave sideboards could give U the win only, when U play a deck that's not all about grave... ...some like this pherhaps... :) Otherwise, if the anti stuff is strong enough, U could easily get blocked off & flow - broken... My only problem left is that I'd add more removal, but all the good stuff just got pushed out of standard... I won't use shit.ie Murder, nor Ultimate Price in the sides... What thefck shoild I do to perfect this sh.t??!.. HELP MEEEEEEEE!!!!...
Lilliana can be removal kind of she's an edict for -2 but that's about it the rest isn't in your colors red has most of it right now and blue white has all the terminus and board wipes the reason people don't play bug colors yet is because your missing 2 guilds instead of just once gatecrash come out you get dimir and simic
Yup... ...the possibilities will be countless, after Gatecrach comes out!.. That set will be even a bigger drop, than RTR I suspect!.. Boros will be awesome along with Orzhov & Gruul... We'll get some better counters probably in Simic & Dimir... May be mono - blue counters & strong removals... On the wallpaper, there is an angel - (I suspect Razzia, since we got Niv back as well) - with 2 swords... That would mean she'll has double strike!!... :) A big legendary creature with flying & double strike & who knowes what else :)))) ... I also wonder how Gideon would appear... ...what abilities... Guess we have to wait 'till January... :)
Razia died, Boros is now led by a different angel. Still R/W, and likely does have flying and double strike. Probably gonna have too high of a cmc for competetive decks though.
Probably... ...but I think it's gonna be cmc 7, not 8, like Razia... They won't make a guildleader incompetative any more I guess...
I'm excited for gruul my jund will get a new toy I have 1 slot where I need a strong body at 2/3 mana and they will fill it but also gruul was my home colors begginer magic with the fireball for 20 lol it was the good old days when strategy didn't matter and Serra angel ended games orzhov will be fun I think two depending on what mechanics are released ill see what I like then
OMG, Orzhov will give me so many toys, like, more than two(;D), lol. Look at how above-the-curve good cards have gotten these days. Gruul will definitely get something insane.
if gruul gets anything relevant it will beat ass. it's already got rootbound geist, flinthoof boar, and huntmaster. with just a little more push, it could be very ugly.
Strangleroot Geist**
Good idea, but it's not a zombie, it costs GG & I'm playing a 3 colors here, so it's speed usually won't be a factor... ...sadly... The undying ability would be good for this deck, since I play sacrifice - stuff, but I've found the best creature concept already... The only concern is that I want more removal in the main deck, but still keeping the evasion cards & not removing much creatures... How could I do that??... :)
Sorry, it wasn't a suggestion, your deck has the right creatures, and Strangleroot Geist actually wouldn't be good. I was just correcting(*) BrianBell.
Well truly I don't see any flaws. Nice Work! I love how you combined zombies with golgari stuff like lotleth troll, so nice work!
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http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=396345 Bug superfriends check it out It looks like the next serious deck ill tackle grixis just didn't feel like me
well look who has another top deck :) good for you honey..... as usual its a great deck you posted :)
imo, Blood artists are not only aan early threat but a late game finisher, if you drop one before a board wipe. id switch the 2 grimgrins with 2 blood artists, maybe -2 grimgrin 1-Diregraf Captain for 3 blood artists. They would win you the game more than once, i guarantee it.
Not in this deck... I love Blood Artist & I know how effective it can be, but wipes won't matter... This deck is waiting for mass removal spells 'cuz if nothing is on board, than I can play Vraska at a time the opponent couldn't stop her by creatures, 'cuz I can kill at least 2, if he/she playes some right after the wipe, or next turn... This deck doesn't need it... ...but nice thinking!..
DUDE IF YOUR USING BLUE USE TAMIYO, If u get her ultimate u can do an infinite combo with lotleth troll...Keep discarding the same creature card a million times, get it back, swing with 1 million/1million trample
I have thought of Tamiyo... May be instead of Jace... I won't get her ultimate ability out too often, but she's also quite good for Vraska, since she tapped creatures & this way I can protect my planeswalkers & assist the assassins, when I have no evasion spells... :) Thanks!..
Hi. I really think Tamyio would be a killer in your deck. Care to take a look at my first mtgvault posted deck? I'm somewhat new at magic and would like as many advices as possible. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=396483 Tks a lot.
I have nothing to add really except for well done sir! Well done indeed!
Thanks! :) I'm still thinking on how I could add more removal in the main deck, but I really can't take out anything... If I need some more, I'll sideboard...
Hey guys you wanan check out my deck? rakdos turn 2 http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=396952
Koliet... When U comment on a deck, U R supposed to share your thoughts &/or suggestions... ...expecially when U post a link... What U do here is what we builders call SPAMMING... ...this is not the way U behave on this site!.. Adjust your attitude & stop being a worthless spammer, please!.. Good luck!..
Have you tested this deck in a competitive format?
This1 is hanging in there with my tournament decks wich both won an FNM last night... 1 is my Azorius at top decks right now & the other I gave to my friend... ...he went to another location & finished at 1st place as well with my Grixis... Both decks R at top decks right now along with my Selesnya populate... My Azorius beats this deck to 3-1 wether I use sideboards, or not... My Grixis Beats this to 3-2, or 3-1... ...when I use sideboards 3-1, or 3-0...
Lol ill come up and play you so you don't win so damn much I live next to a super competitive magic shop where people go around and go to the 3-day tournements so I'm not even sure I my completed jund will hold up
Trollking... Bring it on, my friend!.. :) I've won a Grnd Prix in Austria a couple of months ago with my "Havenfire" deck, U know... I'm going to different locations in 3 countries quite often & I haven't lost an FNM in the last 7 months... :) In my location, everyone runs completed decks of their own, 'cuz they know they won't stand a chanse, if they haven't prepared for every competative deck type there is now...
Lol I joke around I haven't got to go compete on a large scale but looking at your decks I believe I could keep up and his was right after rotation so nonody had complete decks lol and you say Austria that's quite a ways away I'm in the USA trying to get a foothold
I was also joking around... :) Figured that U R from USA, or Canada... Your use of words prooved it, that U R not brittish... I prefer american english myselfe as well... :) If your decks could keep up with mine, than U should try tham on a larger scale, 'cuz I've been quite succesful for the past years, expecially theese last 7 months, since I'm on this site... U R trying to get a foothold, so U R not native there I C... It's not easy in the USA... Do your best! I wish good luck for U, my friend! I'm also planning to go west... I'm in Hungary, right next to Austria & I might move to Canada, or USA... Not nessesarely, but it might would be better there for me as an artist...
dude your wack. The only reason your up there is because you spam your decks. grow up man.
Ok... Now if I were on your ingorent, jaleous level, I'd be pissed up... I DO NEVER SPAM... WHEN I POST A LINK, I ALSO ADD FEEDBACK FOR THE DECK IN QUESTION... I LIKE TO HAVE MY DECKS KNOWN AROUND HERE, BECAUSE THAT WAY I CAN GET MORE SUGGESTIONS, SO I CAN IMPROOVE MY DECKS... I wasn't showing off tho, I'm just having a little sucess - feeling because 4 of my decks R in the latest 15 top decks at the same time... Spamming means posting decks with no feedback on the deck in question, or with just a short, worthless opinion... U R the 1 who has to "grow up", 'cuz U have to realize, that U R no1 to judge any1, expecially no1 to challange anyones integrity... U R probably a 19 year old boy, who thinks he's all grown up & sees his sorroundings clearly & can judge what he sees... U need to get a little bit meditative & question yourselfe be4 U badmouth someboddy... ...'cuz it is not your duty, nor authority to do... ...tho, I'm not mad at U...
U mad bro? geeze lol dude just trying to have some fun. It's what this site needs.
PoetMaster, just so you know, It makes it much harder to read and understand what you're saying when you use U in place of you, R in place of are, and 1 in the words anyone, everyone etc. It'd also be a bit easier to read if you didn't CAPS every time you used a shortcut. I figures now is a good a time as any to point that out, though, I noticed it a while ago. I'm just saying, be considerate to people who are reading your comments with proper grammar and spelling, you know? I DO NOT mean to be rude or anything.
Tazio, I'm not mad, I just wanted to point it out for U, 'cuz if U don't change, U gonna' stay weak in the mind... ...& U say this site is for fun, than why U say "U R wack" & "grow up" to anyone... Challenging a person's identity is not fun... Dagbaker... I'm not native & I can still understand shortings, like U=you & stuff... Not trying to be rude, or anything... ...but those who has problems reading shortings R probably mentally challanged... I respect your point & I understand it. but I refuse to act according to it, 'cuz I deisagree... Human is an intelligent form of life... I C U R as well... :) Kidding... No disrespect! :) PEACE!..
PoetMaster-X, You name just throws me off. When you don't spell out your words, it contradicts your name.
nice dagbaker.
Dag... Your "point" is logical, but it doesn't stands on the field of art... I have no image, so I don't have to pretend anything... I like the use shortings on a website, 'cuz that's not the place where I write poems/songs... I use this name, 'cuz I use it everywhere since I was not yet 6... U can be the ultimate master of lyrics, rhythm, rhymes/rhyme schames, delivery, etc. & still being a lazy ass monkey, who doesn't write down a single word as it is properly written... Dagbaker, this is a website... Grammer doesn't matter here & my shortings R understandable, 'cuz they R tradicional american internet shortings... When it comes to poets, the bigger they R, the most contridiction they "carry" on their backs & that is something we need to endure... People missunderstand us... A poet can not make his/her point 100% clear... Many will alwayes fail to get the meaning... U don't know true art, Dagbaker... The only thing U know is how the image works... ...& that's for popstars, who has never been true artists, only popular puppets without an ounce of talent in their vain... ...& Tazio... It's obvious, that U R 1 of the many, who grew up on shi.ty pop music, or worse & popular tv showes, that R lackin' the message & dumbing your mind...
U R 1 O D... actually, you made my point, as I can't understand you.
Ok... I can see now, that you, Dagbaker, are 1 of few young people, who doesn't know the official web shortings, or you are over 50... I understand & that's fine... O & D doesn't stand for anything... "U", "R", "C" & stuff, plus numbers instead of letters does stand for some meaning & almost everyboddy understands it... When you communicate on web, you expect the others to understand theese shortings... ...& I'm sure, you have also understood me... ...you just can't make a stabil point from this point on, so you pretend you couldn't understand the last reply I wrote... ...but remember this: "Art is not grammer... ...& those who does not do art can not judge, rate or understand it's way, value & level..." PoetMaster-X 2012. 10. 24.
I'm saying I can't understand it, because you misspelled many words. You sound like you're one of the few people over 50 who are trying to use these "shortings", on the web and text, making himself look dumb. I mean, I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out what O and D are in that sentence. "You are one of the..." The fact that you can't understand that, or at least look at it for the second it takes to understand it, makes you a hypocrite. I'm not commenting on this subject anymore, because it is making us both look VERY bad to our community on this site. I'm a musician btw (aha).
I've figured what does it mean at the time I was 1st looking at it... O D= old di.k.... The point is, it is not in the official web shorting collection... I only use those, wich are in there... Saying that I'm a hypocrit makes no sense... What I've said did not contain any contridiction... You just twist my words into some other meaning, like a weak journelist... U should understand theese things, because it figures, that your 1st language is english... Mine is Hungarian... Sorry for sayin', but you are a massive, ignorant coala... It is the truth, no matter what you would say to that, or what you belive... Being a musician doesn't make you a true artist... You have to be that type of person... That 1 out of 5 million, who has individual talent, ambition & a clear view of reality... Sorry for all the bad things I'm saying, but they are all true and you gave me no choise, but to point them out... It's a bad habit of mine: I never let an argument go, until it's settled, even if it's without meaning... PEACEnRESPECT!..
lol you guys are too funny
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I like the deck. I just ha e one question. Why no messenger? He is really good and forces an opponent to think about losing life which h is great with the new lands.
That's a very nice way of thinking... ...but this is a 3 color deck & only 14 of my lands could produce black mana... Well, that's good enough, if I play 1-2 Massanger, but it won't be worth it to this deck, 'cuz the lands won't be coming the right way each time for 3 black mana...
Ya, i figured that was it, I just seen all the black mana production and was wandering. If you get a chance will you check out my populate deck http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=397877
I really like this build. These colors are the best in my opinion. Would you please check out my new grave deck? I'm trying to finalize it for FNM. Thanks!
Oops. Here's the deck link http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=398092
Have you considered artful dodge for those 3 1/1 assassin tokens? It's also a nice card just to get around the walls and other disposable creatures. Flashback also sweetens the deal
Ok, man... U R probably drunk, or simply tired, but I suspect U haven't looked closely... I play 4x Artful Dodge already... U want me to play some more, or what??... :)
Check out the just a note deck i made , this is a good soild deck
this is solid i would deffinately run geralfs messenger its too good not to run i would also run ancient grudge in SB to deal with grafdiggers cage and also run witchbane orb as bad as it is it really helps with burn decks and it stops bonfire check out my jund control http://www.mtgvault.com/DrawSimulator.aspx?DeckID=399291
Grudge is red & this deck is B/U/G... I've considered the Messanger, but it's not worth it for this deck... 14 of my lands could produce black, so I could play it easily, but sometimes I would fail to cast it on turn 3, or even 4... 1 or 2 copy would fit the deck, but I rather need to somehow put more removal in the main deck... ...tho I donno' what to take out...
Very nice, well rounded deck. It is hard to make suggestions at this point, but maybe take out a Harbor and/or Catacomb in place of a couple more basic lands. I say this because it seems like the friendly lands are coming in tapped regularly, especially since you only have 11 lands that have a basic land printed on them. Since you use Artful Dodge as a possible finisher combo and it can also flashback I think dropping one would be okay, maybe stick in another Bone Splinters. Other than that looks great! http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=397252
my god poet. you really are a strange individual. it takes a sick mind to come up with something as deadly and ugly as this :) brilliant deck!
Thanks!.. :) You are probably right, 'cuz my psychologist told me about the same... :)
I think Cyclonic Rift would help your removal options significantly, especially for the Vraska end game if it gets to that.
nice deck hon :) wow allot of drama on this deck in the comments LOL.... if you have time poet my friend plz take a peek at my deck i am tryng junk but i dont wanna to mulch unburial rites but unburial rites is too good a card not to use... i am doing a junk lifegain and happy holidays :) http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=414203
bahahaha reading these old comments is hilarious. poet-master x seems like such a tool shed.