Self-Mill

by Rawrzalicious on 11 March 2012

Main Deck (60 cards)

Sideboard (15 cards)

Artifact (6)

Instant (9)

Submit a list of cards below to bulk import them all into your sideboard. Post one card per line using a format like "4x Birds of Paradise" or "1 Blaze", you can even enter just the card name by itself like "Wrath of God" for single cards.


Deck Description

Please check out my new MTG blog:
http://hymntotourach.blogspot.com/

A self mill deck centered around winning with Laboratory Maniac. This deck will be standard until October 2013, so enjoy using it for almost two years in standard. :D

Check out my newest Standard deck: B/R Vampires/Curses! Make it the new buzz of the town. Share it with all of your friends and I'll love you forever. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=320624

As I have stated in the comments, if your opponent is not playing a burn deck, and has little in the way of flying/reach blockers out (or even in their deck at all) you can swing with Insectile Abberation, Mindshrieker, and Mirror-Mad Phantasm to kill them.

EDIT 3/24/12: Replacing one Delver and one Runic Repetition for two Mindshrieker's based on a suggestion by pbrindley21. Also, replacing one island and one think twice with two more Shimmering Grotto's for flashbacks.

While I appreciate all suggestions and feedback, I have decided against putting any cards from the Scars block or M12 in this deck, as they will be rotated out of Standard in October, and I would like people to be able to use this deck in standard until late 2013. Please do not suggest any cards from Scars, Besieged, New Phyrexia, or M12 to be put in this deck. Also, I have a specific reason for having each spell in this deck which I can explain to you upon request. As such, I am unlikely to take out anything unless someone brings to my attention a card in Innistrad or Dark Ascension that I somehow missed. If Avacyn Restored has any better self-mill cards, I will update this deck after its release.

UPDATE 3/26/12 (Morning): Because everyone won't shut up about it, I put hexproof equips and counters into the sideboard. This way, you can simply file in whatever you want off the side and I don't have to disrupt the main deck if they don't reprint something (other than Mask of Avacyn, obviously).

Thank you all for your likes and for helping me make front page! It means so much! :D

UPDATE 3/26/12 (Night): This deck is now one of the top mill decks on MTGVault, to my knowledge. If you find any mill decks (self-mill or opponent mill, anything tagged with the deck type "Mill") please link it to me in the comments, and I'll give you an e-cookie. Thanks, and thanks for making this deck so popular!

UPDATE 3/26/12 (Night, again): I found one mill deck with 281 likes, and one with 176 likes. Share this with your friends, everyone, and help me beat it! It looks like the 281 was made around exactly 1 year ago, and the 176 a year and a month ago, so let's see if I can get 282 likes in just a couple of weeks! I'd love you all forever if you could help me do that. :D

UPDATE 3/27/12: Due to suggestions from NDRue I have taken out two Mirror-Mad Phantasm's and put in two Mask's of Avacyn. Now please stop telling me to add in hexproof, for the love of god. The main deck for this (the sideboard is for your use, I don't personally use it) is for the Innistrad block. SO PLEASE STOP MAKING SUGGESTIONS FOR THE MAIN DECK THAT AREN'T FROM INNISTRAD OR DARK ASCENSION. Thank you. :D

Don't like self-mill, but like my deck-building style? Check out my brand new regular mill deck for Standard:
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=316446
Or take a look at my other (less amazing, for the most part) decks on my profile:
http://www.mtgvault.com/Profile.aspx?UserID=88469

UPDATE 3/29/12: 216 likes! :D Only 66 more until I have the most liked (to my knowledge) mill deck on MTGVault. You guys are awesome! Took out one Mystic Retrieval, one Memory's Journey, and one Increasing Confusion for 3 Dream Twist to help mill my/yourself faster.

UPDATE 4/2/12: 242 likes! Just 40 more guys, and I'm the top Mill Deck (to my knowledge) on MTGVault!!!

UPDATE 4/5/12: 271 likes! Just 11 more and I'm the top Mill Deck (to my knowledge) on MTGVault!!!! :D

UPDATE 4/7/12: 280 likes! Just 2 more until I'm the top Mill Deck (to my knowledge) on MTGVault!!!!! :DD

UPDATE 4/8/12: 283 likes! To my knowledge, I'm now the #1 mill deck on MTGVault! :D Thanks so much guys!

Deck Tags

  • Mill

Deck at a Glance

Social Stats

88
Likes

This deck has been viewed 110,126 times.

Mana Curve

Mana Symbol Occurrence

039000

Card Legality

  • Not Legal in Standard
  • Legal in Extended
  • Legal in Modern
  • Legal in Vintage
  • Legal in Legacy

Deck discussion for Self-Mill

put in some mindshriekers and target yourself

1
Posted 11 March 2012 at 03:51

Permalink

Thanks for the tip! What do you recommend I switch out for them?

0
Posted 11 March 2012 at 07:37

Permalink

What is your win condition here. Laboratory maniac? That is pretty hard to get to go off, and you don't have much graveyard recursion. I would add green so u can use the flashback on memory's journey if u get it milled, then u can shuffle labratory maniac back in. Blue suns zenith is awesome in these decks because u can prevent yourself from being milled if u have it by firing it off for 0. Green also gives u crazy cards like splinterfright. If u don't care about standard look at dredge cards from ravnica. This looks like a cool deck

0
Posted 13 March 2012 at 02:02

Permalink

I should put more shimmering grotto's in for more rainbow mana, but I feel like this deck's done alright so far. I tried to keep this as standard, though, so sadly I don't want to put any older cards in it. Usually I make modern decks, but I wanted to see how I made one as a standard. Also, if my opponent has no aerial blockers and isn't a red burn deck, I can also swing with Mirror-Mad Phantasm if need be. Thanks for the tips though, friend!

0
Posted 13 March 2012 at 02:58

Permalink

Call to the Kindred is for getting it out easier, so it seems to me. You can get it out by putting Call to the Kindred on Delver of Secrets

0
Posted 26 March 2012 at 16:26

Permalink

how would you use these like what cards would go with what

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 03:35

Permalink

I get out Lab Maniac, and use Mirror-Mad Phantasm, Increasing Confusion, etc. to mill myself. If I mill myself and have no lab maniac I have retrieval spells to get him back and out onto the field so I can get the win. Or I can always swing with Mirror-Mad Phantasm if you've got no flying or reach blockers.

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 04:26

Permalink

itzmatiax has deleted this comment.

Posted 24 March 2012 at 04:36

Permalink

if you use mirror-mad ability u can still attack?

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 04:38

Permalink

Not the turn you use it, since he'll have summoning sickness when he comes back out. It's more of a tactical decision. Is my opponent in a tight spot, not running a burn deck, and is unlikely to get out any reach/flying blockers? Insectile Abberation and Mirror-Mad Phantasm can make quick work of him. Do they have any of the above? If they do, then I'll just mill myself and try to get as many lab maniacs as I can in case they try to be funny and kill my only one last minute. That's why there's 4 of him.

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 04:58

Permalink

Actually, you could attack, then while it was tapped activate its ability

0
Posted 26 March 2012 at 05:19

Permalink

Very valid point. I didn't think of that! The Phantasm you reveal would be untapped as well and could block for you if need be.

0
Posted 26 March 2012 at 12:34

Permalink

but u need lots of land for increasing confusion to use it at a good amount

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:03

Permalink

I have 23 land, 21 if I've sacced both Fengrafs which is unlikely if I'm doing such a large Confusion. I've got plenty for a 60 card deck.

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:05

Permalink

itzmatiax has deleted this comment.

Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:05

Permalink

but u need more monster to defend urself

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:30

Permalink

I appreciate the suggestions and concerns, but this deck has been going pretty good for me, even better since I took pbrindley21's suggestion and put in Mindshriekers and then put in two more Shimmering Grotto's. Not every deck needs 30 creatures to win, bro.

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:33

Permalink

Also, while I take into consideration everyone who comments' suggestions, I've been playing for years, and judging from your profile with three decks with zero cards in any and the descriptions of the decks being "I just started playing" made six days ago, I'm going to just go on a limb and say I know what I'm doing, generally. Not all of my decks on MTGVault are this good, but then again, I don't own every deck I've made on MTGVault.

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:35

Permalink

i kno is cuz i bought this deck and i played with my friend but only won a couple of times he had a goblin deck that sacrificed its creature to get power or to inflict damage to me or my creatures and the only way i won was because of mirror-mad and delver transformation

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:37

Permalink

Not sure where you're going with telling me I need more creatures and then saying you won with two I have in here already, but okay. Cool.

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:40

Permalink

In Soviet Russia, deck plays you!!!

2
Posted 24 March 2012 at 16:37

Permalink

do u have these cards or u play online?

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:42

Permalink

I have this deck and several others on my MTGVault profile. I do NOT have every deck on my profile. The majority of them I made out of boredom/for fun/for friends. My other main deck is "Rawrzalicious Ablaze," which is a modern burn deck that I've had great success with since I recently bought it.

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:44

Permalink

Also, PLEASE stop posting the same comment 2-3 times. I'll see it if you post it once, posting it over and over only accomplishes the feat of annoying me.

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:46

Permalink

itzmatiax has deleted this comment.

Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:44

Permalink

itzmatiax has deleted this comment.

Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:45

Permalink

itzmatiax has deleted this comment.

Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:46

Permalink

i only presss it once idk what happens is that i wanna be good with this deck but i cant seem to get the full potential of it cuz i just started magic and dnt know how to use the cards the right way my bad if i made u mad

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:49

Permalink

It's all good. Just got annoying deleting repeat comments. This deck is probably better for more advanced Magic players. If you're just starting, you should have bought a starter deck/event deck, instead of a custom-made one. That's why they call them 'starter' decks. The event decks do just the same thing, only generally have slightly better cards.

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:51

Permalink

when you bought did it cost u 5.58 cuz when i bought it was 28 something

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:55

Permalink

No. The "low" price is the lowest price that MTGVault can search for any one card, usually on eBay, which is NOT 100% reliable. I buy my cards from Amazon or my local card shop, and it ran me about 35-40 bucks. Generally speaking, on MTGVault, you're probably going to pay between the mid and high price ranges somewhere, unless you catch a good deal.

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 05:58

Permalink

alrigt do you kno anywere u can play online and put cards so you can try them out before buying them or no?

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 06:00

Permalink

Never heard of being able to do that on anything. However, get a bunch of land cards, or cheap, played cards, etc. (ones you can write on). Write the names of the cards you want to test down on these, write down or remember the effects, and play a test match with them to see how good they do. That's what me, my brother, and pretty much everyone else I know who played back in the day or has played for a long time does.

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 06:02

Permalink

http://cockatrice.de/index.php?a=download

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 06:18

Permalink

alrigt thanks any tips on building a good blue deck like ur aggro/control

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 06:04

Permalink

It depends on what you want, what format, price range, mana curve, all that. If I make a deck, I need set guidelines, or it ends up looking like my "Alara Reborn" or "Affinity Deck" decks.

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 06:05

Permalink

itzmatiax has deleted this comment.

Posted 24 March 2012 at 06:06

Permalink

itzmatiax has deleted this comment.

Posted 24 March 2012 at 06:08

Permalink

itzmatiax has deleted this comment.

Posted 24 March 2012 at 06:10

Permalink

ima go ahead and make a deck on budget size for control blue

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 06:13

Permalink

Knock yourself out, bro.

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 06:16

Permalink

http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=314219

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 07:50

Permalink

How about some Dream Twists? I play a Splinterfright deck and I LOVE dropping them turn 1 and flashbacking them turn 2. You could replace the Runic Repetition with them because I think Runic Repetition won't be very useful for you.

0
Posted 24 March 2012 at 19:54

Permalink

I have Runic Repition to get back Memory's Journey and Mystic Retrieval if someone decides to try and be cute and kill my Lab Maniacs multiple times. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 16:47

Permalink

i like the idea of milling urself for lab maniac win you should check out my mill deck http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=313241

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 02:47

Permalink

Cool. Too bad this isn't a zombie mill deck, or yours might be of some use to me.

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 16:49

Permalink

Drop the mystic retrievals, they're not worth another good spell.

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 06:51

Permalink

I have them in there to get back Memory's Journey or any other spell I need if I mill all of them. Thanks for the suggestion, but this current setup has worked well for me personally.

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 16:46

Permalink

I've tried it on magic online, but so far without any success. It seems pretty slow and defenseless.

I'd put in spheres of the sun instead of the grottos to gain some speed, perhaps ponder to set up the mindshriekers, but I'll give a try to a green blue built. Mulchen, splinterfright, tracker's instincts. perhaps a ghoul tree.

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 11:42

Permalink

I've had quite high sucess with it myself. I appreciate the feedback, but I'm not interested in putting any Scars block or M12 cards in this. I'm also not interested in making it blue/green. Thanks for the suggestions, however.

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 16:44

Permalink

SWIFTFOOT BOOTS, TO PROTECT Laboratory Maniac MAY BE CRUCIAL TO THIS DECK

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 16:19

Permalink

If they reprint it in M13 I'll change it. I'm not putting in any M12 or Scars block cards in this deck, as they will only be in Standard until October. Thanks for the suggestion, though. I may instead put Mask of Avacyn if I can decide what I want to take out, if anything. As I said in the other comments, this deck has worked well for me personally and I don't forsee any need to change it. Thanks, though.

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 16:51

Permalink

IMO Think Twice is not as great as its cracked up to be. your paying 2 to cycle then 4 to draw a card. Secrets of the Dead is a 2U enchantment that lets you draw a card everytime you cast from your graveyard, which should be often since thats where youre putting all of your flashback stuff.

Personally, -2 Think Twice, +2 Secrets. 1 Think Twice would be a nice surprise to mill, but i dont think it should be that prevelant.

This deck seems really solid without the usual green. Nice job.

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 17:52

Permalink

I didn't even think of Secrets of the Dead. Thanks for the suggestion! And also, thank you for the compliment. I personally think it does very well without green. :D

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 17:55

Permalink

I took your suggestion and because of my OCD and hatred of having a single non-legendary or planeswalker card in my deck, I took out one Runic Repetition and left in two Think Twice.

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 18:08

Permalink

playset of hinterland harbor so you can flashback memory's journey?

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 18:33

Permalink

I have Shimmering Grotto for that and have had no problems with being able to flash back any spell with a non-blue flashback so far.

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 19:11

Permalink

This looks like a nice deck. It doesn't seem like people here are behind 100%, though.

I wouldn't change much from what you've got. Your strategy is pretty cool while still in standard, and if your strategy fails (You aren't milling fast enough), you still have a few other spells to play as well (Delver, any Flashback + Grotto).

I like this deck. It's not only awesome-looking, but it doesn't burn a huge hole in your wallet. Well done!

1
Posted 25 March 2012 at 19:49

Permalink

Thank you so much! This is probably the nicest comment I've gotten on this deck so far. I appreciate the positive feedback, friend. And while not everyone here seems to be behind it, everyone has their own opinions for how to make any deck you put in front of them "better." This deck is by no means the epitome of winning in Magic, but it's not like I just slapped cards together. Thanks again, man! :)

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 20:45

Permalink

lab maniac shouldnt be your win con its too hard and slow and is easy to disrupt. especially in the current meta. but check out the self mill deck i just made http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=314785

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 20:42

Permalink

That's cute. I haven't had any problems with winning with him. While I appreciate all feedback and suggestions, this deck is based primarily around winning with him, so he SHOULD be my win condition. Thanks for your comment, and for using my deck to try and advertise your own. When your self-mill deck has 100+ likes, I'll use it as a template for my own.

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 20:48

Permalink

Another major difference between your "self-mill" deck and mine; my low price is 115 less, my medium price is 130 less, and my high price is 140 less. You can create my deck for a much more reasonable price (mine was around the cost of an event deck, and works much better than they do) and yours costs more than a booster box. Just saying.

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 20:59

Permalink

I have experimented with the deck now, and though I really like the idea, I fail yet to score even a single win with this deck. How do you play this deck? I find myself usually dead by five turn to six. Perhaps you can add some instructions and how the deck usually plays out at it's strongest.

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 21:20

Permalink

Delver and Mindshrieker are definitely my main two defenses, and while several people have complained about not having enough defense, I've found with my several retrieval spells, I have no problem keeping at least one of them out to defend myself, and between Mirror-Mad Phantasm, Increasing Confusion, and draw spells, I've found I'm able to mill myself generally quick enough to win. Like I've said many times before, if my opponent is lacking in aerial blockers, I ignore milling myself until they do and swing at them with my Delver, Phantasm, and Mindshrieker. Mirror-Mad Phantasm is definitely one of the shining gems in this deck, because on turn six, I can use his ability three times to mill myself. I can't speak for everyone using this deck, but I've personally had to problems with it.

0
Posted 25 March 2012 at 21:29

Permalink

DoubleA has deleted this comment.

Posted 25 March 2012 at 23:59

Permalink

Want to mill yourself faster? 1 Mirror Mad Phantasm. Jace, Memory Adept also helps quite a bit with milling.

I know a million people have told you this already, but you seriously need a solid way to protect your Laboratory Maniac on the turn that you're going to draw from an empty library. This kind of deck is never going to go off against any of the top tier decks in standard because they will all just murder your win-con and watch you kill yourself. You have no counters whatsoever, and no way to guarantee that your lil' guy will stick around for the win. The Memory's Journeys will help but not enough, by any means.

I was recently messing around with a G/U self-mill Lab. Man. deck, and the ONLY way it ever won was because Swiftfoot Boots were attached to the man. The. Only. Way. In the end, it was so inconsistent that I decided to just make G/U self-mill Splinterfright deck, which wrecks serious face EXCEPT against graveyard hate. Most of this hate is going to be rotated out with Scars (cough Surgical Extraction cough), and then I can honestly see a Splinterfright deck becoming tier 1, but not a Lab. Man combo deck. Ever.

I'm not trying to hate or anything, I've tried running a similar style deck just for fun, but to make this even remotely close to a real competitive deck, you're going to need to suck it up and use the sets that are about to rotate out. They are available to you, just do it. As more and more sets are released, perhaps there will be something to add to this strategy, but until then why not use what you can to make it better? You want this to be standard for so long, but don't you think that you will change the cards at least some as the newer sets are released? So there's no point in denying yourself crucial key elements because you simply don't want to change it. Scars doesn't rotate out until September, that's a far way away.

I'm sure you may have won some games before, but I doubt that many of them were against RDW, Delver, Solar Flare, B/U Control, R/G aggro, etc. Use what makes your deck better.

As far as a casual fun deck, two thumbs up. Except the part where you don't have Swiftfoot boots. 1 thumb down and 1 thumb questionably sideways for that.

1
Posted 26 March 2012 at 02:10

Permalink

I almost forgot, one of the most important pieces of a deck like this are draw spells to immediately make your win-con go off instead of having to wait until your draw step. You have Think Twice, and though it has flashback which is great here, it's expensive to cast. I used Thought Scour (they have amazing synergy with this type of deck already), and even better is Gitaxian Probe (I know you won't use it...) since you can just pay 2 life to win when you're tapped out. Good luck!

1
Posted 26 March 2012 at 02:15

Permalink

After reading the first half, I had considered just replying with "Okay, dad." or "Cool.", but upon reading the second half I decided against being a shitstain and decided to actually reply seeing that you were genuinely trying to help me and not just re-spewing the last 54 comments. Yes, I should add in Scars or M12 cards, but I'd honestly rather not get attached to them. I have no idea what they will and will not reprint in M13 from M12, and if Swiftfoot Boots is one they do, by all means, it'll go in there. I appreciate the suggestions and compliments, and my deck has played and won against Delver, RG Aggro, and BU control decks in both friendly and FNM games. I see people commenting with "how do you win with this deck?" and have no idea why they're having trouble and I'm not. Like I said before, if they reprint stuff that everyone says I need in M13, it'll go in. Also, this isn't my main deck, anyway. I don't put nearly as much thought into this as I do into my modern decks that I actually own. I made this so I could have a deck for standard, nothing else. It's already frontpaged on a deck design that standard as a silly whim and want to get back into FNM, so I'm not gonna complain or change what's made me frontpage. I appreciate the helpful feedback, however, and thank you for your genuine help and not just repeating what everyone else has.

0
Posted 26 March 2012 at 02:22

Permalink

Rereading my comment, I still think I sound somewhat like an asshole haha so I apologize for that. But yes, I was really trying to give you some sound advice, and I'm glad you saw that! I understand you're going to keep this block constructed, and even though I strongly disagree with taking that road, it's your decision and if you are having success with this deck then you are having success with this deck! Doesn't matter much what anyone tries to press on you haha. So, with that being said, I have a few more suggestions (block constructed.)

- Spellskite! He can save your Lab Mani......just kidding.

- Thought Scour, which I mentioned before, is your best bet at an instant draw spell for win. Plus mill synergy.

- Mask of Avacyn is an expensive Swiftfoot, so that could possibly be worth it to protect the combo.

- Gnaw to the Bone can do so much work for your health if you need to save yourself from a beat while you set up for mill-win or if you only need a few more swings to kill your opponent. This card has done WONDERS for my self-mill deck as a 2-of. I know you only run 13 creatures which isn't ideal for this card, but it's a thought!

- Clinging Mist can also save you from a beat (though I just use 4 Fogs) if you're getting down to the wire, especially if the Fateful Hour effect is happening.

- The only counter that is worth using from this block is Dissipate, and while it is expensive, it's pretty useful.

I know you know of some of these already but here's my 2 cents. I'm forgetting a couple of things but when I remember them, I'll comment again.

1
Posted 26 March 2012 at 23:35

Permalink

Thanks for the additional tips and cards. :D As you can see, I did put some non-block cards in the sideboard to appease everyone complaining about it. I will, however consider some of these other cards you mentioned. :D Gnaw to the Bone is a good card, but I discounted it due to the low amount of creatures I have in this deck. Though, once I'm done testing decks, I'll look back at your suggestions and see if any would fit in without me changing the color base of this deck (because I'd like to keep it just blue, though Hinterland Harbor isn't a bad idea...) I appreciate your help and accept your apology, only the first half sounded asshole-y, but it's okay, I sound like an asshole all the time myself. :P

0
Posted 26 March 2012 at 23:44

Permalink

The main problem I see is that it has no counters or any other way to protect your maniacs. If someone were to doom blade the maniac in response to you playing a spell to draw your last card I'm reasonably certain you would lose.

0
Posted 26 March 2012 at 04:28

Permalink

You'd think I'd have more of a problem of that, but I've only lost to milling myself and having my lab maniacs die once from a Day of Judgement and once from a Go for the Throat.

0
Posted 26 March 2012 at 12:35

Permalink

was wondering if you could take a look at my g/w humans deck. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=315240

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 00:39

Permalink

Taking a look at it now. :)

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 01:56

Permalink

You really need thought scour in there. It fits your theme, is really useful, and can do so much for any deck. Also, I think being against putting in any rares from the rotating sets is reasonable, but I wouldn't hesitate putting in mana leak and swift foot boots right now cause even if they do rotate, it won't cause any real loss of money. This deck looks fun to play. Watch out for burn decks though. Red deck wins isn't very popular but if they start being played more often you might need to put in some more creatures. There nothing wrong with the deck right now, but just look out for really quick burn decks

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 02:21

Permalink

I know, I really need to put Thought Scour in there. However, the problem in the way of this is my horrid attachment to every card I put into a deck and how long it takes me to decide to take them out. I did get my Mana Leaks and Swiftfoot Boots for the side, though. That way I can rotate them in whenever I know I'll need them and I won't have to cry over taking a card out permanently. And yeah, I know, that's why I mention burn decks several times, because unless you do rotate in stuff from the side, it's gonna be a hard win. I've played against burn decks and surprisingly won a couple games, though, so it's not all that bad. Thanks for the comment and tips though buddy!

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 02:26

Permalink

you are getting annoyed with ACCIDENTAL repeat comments? skip them? doesn't seem like something to get upset about hah...anyways i dig the deck

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 04:02

Permalink

Thanks for the compliment on the deck, and while I want to comment on the other part, I will refrain to do so because MTGVault is a place for discussing decks and cards, not other stuff.

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 04:05

Permalink

How did you come up with this?

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 04:31

Permalink

Personally I would reduce the count of Mirror-Mad to 2, just so I don't hit it at a higher rate on the path to self-destruction. Of course, that's assuming Kindred hasn't already taken it out, or most of them are already residing in a not-library location. Plus it helps to throw out your Laboratory Maniac for easier Memory's Journey-ing later on. And lesser Mirror-Mads means a higher chance of throwing your entire library out with Back from the Brink, heh.

I like the direction this deck is taking, plus the sustainability (in terms of future expansion release).

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 05:06

Permalink

You make a valid point that I hadn't even considered, and if I only have two of him in the deck, that leaves way for Mask of Avacyn in the deck. Thanks man! And Just think about what I can do in Avacyn. 240+ cards? Me gusta :D

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 21:27

Permalink

Gonna ride on your fame and hope you scratch my back too.

http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=314446

So far it's doing well controlling mobs on an average draw. Hope for suggestions to make it even more annoying especially on FNM nights.

0
Posted 29 March 2012 at 06:37

Permalink

Well, you helped me realize a way to throw in Mask of Avacyn, so I don't mind helping you out bro. :D I'll take a look at it now. :)

0
Posted 29 March 2012 at 12:32

Permalink

one surgical extraction and your whole deck is screwed add some counters or something to avoid that or rely less on a few cards also use phantasmal image as a copy of better creatures

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 16:03

Permalink

Read the description and see the sideboard. Thanks.

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 21:24

Permalink

I'd suggest cutting the Mirror-Mads down to two or even just one. He searches other copies of himself by his own effect so you'd have a better chance of milling more of your library with less copies.

Have you considered using something like Cackling Counterpart to duplicate it? With the current ruling you can automatically mill your whole deck out if you have a copy use its ability.

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 17:20

Permalink

Like I told NDRue, I didn't even really think about that. I appreciate you both helping me realize that, and it makes room for Mask of Avacyn in the deck! Now everyone else can shut up about hexproof. ;P I'd considered Cackling Counterpart, but I'd prefer just keeping the deck blue for now. Thanks for the suggestion though!

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 21:30

Permalink

this looks very well built mind taking a look at mine
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=309509

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 17:54

Permalink

Taking a look at it now. :)

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 21:34

Permalink

y u no have sword of body and mind?
it mills 10 for every hit, flies with delver or mindshrieker so that it hits more, and creates wolves to block with.

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 22:49

Permalink

It mills the opponent for ten. "Whenever equipped creature does damage to a player, that player puts the top ten cards of their library into their graveyard." I'm milling myself. Not them.

0
Posted 27 March 2012 at 23:00

Permalink

oh... i just commented on the wrong deck, i was looking at 2 mill decks, and ment this comment for the other one soz.

my advice for your deck is add jace's erasure and jace's archivist. i know this will make you have cards that will go out of date, but you can just remove them when that happens. your deck sort of... fails because you are limiting yourself to 1/3rd of the cards in standard. you have barely anything to mill yourself, mostly you are flashing back cards that you have already milled, but cant mill them in the first place. you dont need delver and back from the brink is too expensive cmc.

please, have a look at my mill deck... and not just for you to help me.

http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=314949

0
Posted 29 March 2012 at 04:17

Permalink

Except for the fact this doesn't fail because it's a block constructed deck, which I mentioned in one of my updates up there. c:

And I'll take a look at it right now. :)

0
Posted 29 March 2012 at 12:30

Permalink

celaux2001 has deleted this comment.

Posted 28 March 2012 at 02:17

Permalink

Been using this deck IRL since M12 came out. Works pretty good.

http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=315942

0
Posted 28 March 2012 at 02:18

Permalink

Looked at it and commented. :)

0
Posted 28 March 2012 at 02:33

Permalink

A great New Deck in Standard!

http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=316019

0
Posted 28 March 2012 at 09:39

Permalink

Looked at it and commented. :)

0
Posted 28 March 2012 at 12:33

Permalink

i have an original type 2 deck, heartless summoning birthing pod combo deck. check it out :)
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=308660

0
Posted 29 March 2012 at 04:53

Permalink

Guilherme84 has deleted this comment.

Posted 29 March 2012 at 08:45

Permalink

Guilherme84 has deleted this comment.

Posted 29 March 2012 at 08:54

Permalink

Guilherme84 has deleted this comment.

Posted 29 March 2012 at 09:03

Permalink

You run both Forbidden Alchemy and Memory's Journey and don't run Darkslick Shores or the other U/G dual land?

0
Posted 29 March 2012 at 15:34

Permalink

That's why I have Shimmering Grotto. c:

0
Posted 29 March 2012 at 21:36

Permalink

seems like the self mill would be slow. ive also noticed theres barely any self mill decks that run jace's archivist. i run a standard self mill that has only lost a few times. and i play NO ONE that runs standard decks. i just target myself with every spell.
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=255873

0
Posted 29 March 2012 at 19:28

Permalink

Yeah I guess I understand about not taking cards out. I'm not really understanding call to kindred in here. Explain?

0
Posted 30 March 2012 at 01:58

Permalink

With Call to Kindred, if I have a Delver or Lab Maniac on the field, or my opponent has any humans out (not uncommon in standard today) I can put a Lab Maniac near the very bottom of my library. If nothing makes me shuffle, which is pretty likely, except for Mirror-Mad Phantasm, I can stash a Lab Maniac on the very bottom and when I'm out of cards, throw him down and then force a draw with Think Twice from my GY. And, having Call to the Kindred in this manner has one me several games, both FNM, casual, and test play matches. Hope that clarifies it for you. :)

0
Posted 30 March 2012 at 02:23

Permalink

I don't understand how this deck has some many likes. Sorry but, it looks like total trash to me. It has no answer for aggro from what I can see, and aggro is what's winning these days.

0
Posted 30 March 2012 at 22:02

Permalink

Someone's jealous. c:

0
Posted 02 April 2012 at 12:29

Permalink

Guilherme84 has deleted this comment.

Posted 02 April 2012 at 22:21

Permalink

skamatt07 has deleted this comment.

Posted 09 April 2012 at 12:20

Permalink

You have 6 mask of avacyn

0
Posted 03 April 2012 at 02:46

Permalink

Thanks for noticing! I added 2 to the main deck and forgot to change the sideboard. Thanks again :)

0
Posted 03 April 2012 at 03:34

Permalink

Have you noticed the combo with a Mirror mad phantasm and Cackling Counterpart?
If you use the copies ability to make a token then use the tokens ability the copy will die and you will search for a card thats no longer in the library.

0
Posted 03 April 2012 at 10:30

Permalink

Which causes you to mill out all of you library.

0
Posted 03 April 2012 at 10:33

Permalink

I know. This setup for the deck has worked fine without it, however. I appreciate your suggestion, though.

0
Posted 03 April 2012 at 21:21

Permalink

fourbucks!?
YES, PLEASE!

0
Posted 03 April 2012 at 11:22

Permalink

Not only is this deck sexy, it's also about the price of an event deck, on average. But, yes, according to MTGVault, if you're a bargain hunter (and those prices aren't the card for 5 cent and the shipping for five bucks...) you could potentially get this for really cheap.

1
Posted 03 April 2012 at 21:22

Permalink

Self-mill is a fun archetype. Had one that won kinda like this, but it evolved into a Splinterfright/Cagebreaker beater deck, using Laboratory Maniac as a tertiary win-con.
Here's the decklist if anyone's interested.
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=318160

0
Posted 04 April 2012 at 01:59

Permalink

Thanks for using me as a billboard.

0
Posted 04 April 2012 at 02:32

Permalink

In 5 days, it seems like no one was interested.

0
Posted 09 April 2012 at 06:38

Permalink

Akane-chan has deleted this comment.

Posted 04 April 2012 at 04:37

Permalink

Call to the kindred will get you no where. Now the mill curse might do you better but not as well as another delver of secrets and another increasing confusion. keep that in mind.

0
Posted 05 April 2012 at 17:33

Permalink

Forgot to mention that back from the brick sucks balls, by the time you can cast it you have already lost.

0
Posted 06 April 2012 at 04:54

Permalink

Okay, dad.

0
Posted 06 April 2012 at 05:00

Permalink

manofwar51 has deleted this comment.

Posted 05 April 2012 at 17:42

Permalink

What about Skaab Ruinators? Would that be worthless with the lack of creatures?

0
Posted 06 April 2012 at 05:41

Permalink

I love Skaab Ruinators, but with only 11 creatures, depending on where they are in my deck when I mill myself (and minus my four lab maniacs, gotta try and have them safe) that's only seven, so I'd rarely get to use it. :(

0
Posted 06 April 2012 at 07:42

Permalink

Amazing new deck! in standard.



http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=320421

0
Posted 08 April 2012 at 22:07

Permalink

Thank for using me as a billboard.

0
Posted 08 April 2012 at 22:19

Permalink

skamatt07 has deleted this comment.

Posted 09 April 2012 at 12:28

Permalink

Hey man ur deck looks great inspired me to build somethin similar check it out still needs some work thats for sure. feedback is welcome.
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=320878
Also Zombies would like some feed back on them to thanks
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=319932
Its supposed to have an army of the damed and an endless ranks of the dead in it but havent had the time to get them yet Thanks in advance

0
Posted 10 April 2012 at 01:27

Permalink

Thanks for using me as a billboard.

0
Posted 10 April 2012 at 02:38

Permalink

Your welcome I couldn't see anything to change so thought I'd see if anyone could help me out you know and you kind of did the samething trying to get the most likes and all so cut the sarcasm
especially since i did compliment and like your deck

0
Posted 12 April 2012 at 00:14

Permalink

I didn't do anything the same. Not once did I post my deck on other people's decks, just like I don't link my YouTube videos on other people's YouTube videos. It's just something I find rude. Also, even if you unlike my deck, I still have a net gain of 6 likes from your two comments, even if you remove them. Boom.

0
Posted 12 April 2012 at 00:26

Permalink

Only reason I posted it is you made a deck thats really similar (hell yours inspired me to try my own with some black in there) and had alot of good ideas so oh my maybe this guy could give me some advice makes since right (and you asked people to like it in the opening to have the most liked mill deck a similar thing to posting a deck even though im not hunting for likes or anything just advice)

0
Posted 12 April 2012 at 00:46

Permalink

Well, then I apologize. I've got a douchebag streak in me and it shows sometimes. Sorry about that.

0
Posted 12 April 2012 at 01:20

Permalink

Don't we all lol apologie accepted

1
Posted 12 April 2012 at 01:37

Permalink

This is fantastic. I went looking for good ideas to make into budget decks but this one was so cheap on its own. I sir, applaud your deck creating abilities.

I don't know of any cards that would help this weakness, but is there some sort of counter to extraction decks? I feel like this may have some issues with them.

0
Posted 10 April 2012 at 07:17

Permalink

Thanks for the compliments! :) It's nice to be praised on my hard work instead of harshly criticized, so I thank for you for kind words. If your friends or other players at your local FNM run surgical extraction, splash in Mental Misstep. Even without any free mana, you can pay 2 life to counter a 1 CMC spell, putting extraction in its place. Thanks again, and I'm glad you like the deck! :)

0
Posted 10 April 2012 at 19:23

Permalink

I would recommend codey shredder you can mill youself and bring your laboratory maniac back to your hand

0
Posted 13 March 2013 at 03:27

Permalink

I am going to bring you an infinite combo to your deck that may or may not help, because it would drastically influence the current deck.

Any 3 Defenders + 1 Axebane Guardian + 1 Galvanic Alchemist. This can allow you to do a wonderful thing. A. Kill them with Increasing Confusion. B. Knock yourself down to 1-card with Increasing Confusion then use a draw card(think twice). Something to try, not suggesting you do the mass switch, but it's interesting if you can pull it off.

0
Posted 13 March 2013 at 08:31

Permalink

Might want to think about putting in some Naphalia Drownyards, speeds up your mill.

0
Posted 13 March 2013 at 14:57

Permalink