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I made this deck with the idea of milling and some board control. Thinking of switching out Consult the Necrosages or Induce Paranoia for Perplex... The most "win" combo. in here I think would be Wind Zendikon (play on an opponents land) then Eradicate that land. Bonus win if I play Mind Funeral after that. Also thinking about taking out two of the Counterspells since I also have Induce Paranoia. Let me know what you all think!
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I'd try to get some Traumatize in there, maybe instead of the Mind Funerals. Check out my mill deck if you like. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=60946
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Also, I'd highly recommend Perplex. Check out Psychic Drain as well. I'd drop 2 of the Eradicates, and 2 of the Wind Zendikons, get you closer to 60 cards, and drop the Counterspells entirely, as you are using Induce Paranoia. As far as Consult the Necrosages goes, I'd keep it, it's extremely useful for the draw, plus if you don't need cards, discard is wonderful.
Thanks a lot of your comments. I thought about Traumatize and with the fetch lands I do get a good amount of mana quickly, but it still just seems like it would be too expensive. But, that played with Haunting Echoes would basically end the game right there. Maybe I'll throw one in. Yeah, I think I will take out two Wind Zendikons and two Eradicates. I will probably take out the Counterspells and just use Induce Paranoia. When I first made this deck, I had two Psychic Drains, but I decided against them. Again, it had to do with the mana cost. I don't think I would be able to get X high enough to really do much with it. I'm pretty sure I'm going to take Consult the Necrosages out. It just doesn't do enough for three mana. To me, paying three mana to draw two cards isn't worth it. And, if I decided to make an opponent discard two, it's definitely not worth it as Tome Scour only costs one mana and makes them discard five. Thanks again for your comments and I checked out your mill deck and it's pretty rad!
what about grindstone?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Yeah thats a really good idea.
If your not wanting to make it type 2 i would def. put in some hair strung, Traumatize, Memory erosion, and if you want to do creatures allies all the way, blue and black, mill it down and take control out of creatures out of the graveyard. Keep induce. basically take out the destroy and focus on the mill. you wont need to worry about destroying if your milling it all away.
Thanks for the suggestions guys! I thought about Memory Erosion. I may throw one or two of them in. It would definitely be a pain in the fanny. By Hair Strung I'm guessing you mean Hair-Strung Koto. Tapping my creatures for one card just doesn't seem worth it. I'm going to have very few creatures as it is and I don't believe this will help. Plus, it costs six mana to play. By the time I get six mana, it wouldn't really be worth it at that point as I could play any of my other mill cards that will do a lot more. Especially Traumatize. I would love to put Grindstone in this deck, but everywhere I look, the card is about $20. That's a little too much for my wallet for just one card. I really appreciate everyone's feedback. You all have some awesome suggestions! Keep 'em comin'!
If you do put in traumatize, you will want to put in Keening stone. That will end the game right there unless they can kill you before the end of your turn.
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Hedron Crab with fetchlands is an easy 6 card mill. The other one i would recommend is polluted delta. Mind Funeral is a must in Blue/Black mill decks. I would definitely get as many Glimpse the Unthinkable cards as you can. I would look into other land cards that have the benefit of black/blue mana in one. One card though that i think would really help is twincast. Its inexpensive and it would be perfect in your deck
Twincast... wow, I don't know why I didn't think of that. That combined with Tome Scour would be 10 cards for three mana. That with Mind Funeral would be devastating as well. Yeah, I pretty much have the Hedron Crab in there to combo. with my fetch lands. The only reason I don't have more Glimpse the Unthinkables in here is because of how expensive the card is. If I could afford four, or even two, of them, they would definitely be in this deck. Thanks for the suggestions!
One card that a lot of people don't know about is lim-dul's vault. Its a very inexpensive search card thats perfect in a blue/black deck. I would personally keep counterspell or some other counter card over induce paranoia just because it its casting cost to benefit ratio. Another thing i would consider is having something like a doom blade, or dark banishing kind of card to clear out problem creatures at a low mana cost
Oh and check out sadistic sacrament. It's a better alternative to eradicate plus it allows you to see what kind of deck the opponents using, get rid of problem cards, and know what to prepare for
Lim-Dul's Vault is interesting. I'll keep that in mind. Yeah, the reason Induce Paranoia is there over Counterspell is because of it's added ability; it makes them mill in addition to the spell being countered. Every time I've played this (even before it was done) I always had enough mana to play it. That's the reason I took Counterspell out. I'll probably move Counterspell to my sideboard. I thought about putting some kind of creature destroyer in. I'll probably have some in my sideboard for decks with a lot and/or annoying creatures. Sadistic Sacrament was in the original draft of this deck. I had it in there because of the reason you mentioned. I would be able to see what I'm up against and remove the best cards in their deck. I removed them in favor of Eradicate and Haunting Echoes. I do like Sadistic Sacrament, but I think Eradicate and Haunting Echoes fits better in this particular deck. Eradicate with Wind Zendikon is pretty much a game-ender and Haunting Echoes with any mill card is nasty as well. I believe I can get rid of more cards that way. And, the Kicker cost for Sadistic Sacrament is ridiculously high. Great suggestions though. If you have more, shoot 'em at me!
dude, just two words more crabs ;)