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force choices with painful quandary and causes damage from discards
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Three vess, isn't that a bit much? And why 3 megrim and 3 caress, surely add a caress, look at your ratio of 2 drops to 3 drops. Interesting use of mimic vat though. Why not add a set of ravenous rats (dirt cheap), it'd go with the 'comes into play' theme, and even your mana curve out a bit too. Otherwise, great deck though.
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Thanks!
You're welcome. I see you've hit up the ravenous rats idea. Nice one! Make sure to add that final caress. If I were you, I wouldn't even bother running megrim as well (same thing for more mana)! You could probably drop down to 20 lands as well. If you do this though, it might be worth getting some 1 drops to speed you a little bit. There are a ton of discard spells for 1 mana, but I prefer stuff that'll stay on the board a little longer like quest for the nihil stone, gnat miser, and the rack. These could replace distress, the extra swamps, and even maybe take out (and sell) another liliana and/or one or two of the quandarys. Another excellent 1 drop in any black deck of course is dark ritual, which would speed up your game enormously. You should try it...
Thanks again, I think i'm gonna keep it at 2 lilianas and 3 quandaries and its a modern build so unfortunately the rack and black ritual are out. as for gnat miser, it only really helps in groups and even then, i'd rather force a discard directly than drop their hand size. might be good sideboard against decks that draw a lot.
Fair enough. I like the changes you have made though. Those rotting rats are quite good. Maybe chuck another two in for the dismembers, which you probably don't need with the zeniths and gftts. Also, have you tried black cat? I don't know what you'd take out now you've cleaned the deck so much, but random discard to rub it in when you zenith all their creatures sounds fearce! And yeah ok two lilianas but, if you can afford it, how about swapping one for liliana of the veil? The only reason I say this (apart from that a liliana of the veil would kick ass) is that there's never much point having two legendary cars in one deck. You can't play one if you've got the other out, and besides the do the same thing anyway. Veil it up man.
I see what you mean with the dismembers so i did that.Ii don't like playing single copies of a card like liliana. the original is much more versatile than liliana of the veil and i run 2 because liliana is one of those planeswalkers that just can't be ignored. it increases my chances of drawing one and if i draw both, then i can replace her when she dies
That's fair enough, I just find it dangerous keeping something like that in you hand for such a long time. I guess you could activate her big ability a turn early and just let her die if you had another waiting. Just as you never know what your opponent's got and your next draw could be rotting rats or whatevs. I guess ya could just hold on to that a few turns too anyway. You can keep vatting your creatures anyway I suppose.
Sorry, double posted.
Thats the idea, with the vats. also the tutor ability kinda fixes the problem of having to many liliana's. if you draw both you can tutor until she dies, then replace her and have gained significant board position in the process
Yeah fair. So I'm guessing this deck is pretty much done now? At least until a new set comes out that is...
pretty much, thanks for your help
No worries. If you want help with any of your other decks, post them here and I'll take a look for ya... ;)
Thanks. If you could take a look at my sacrifice deck, that'd be great http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=344439 post a deck i you want help too
No worries, I've posted on that one too now. Would you mind seeing what you think of my take on discard seeing as that's the subject we've been discussing? It's far from finished, but read my own comment on it, that should give you a pretty clear indication of where it's headed once I can get the money together. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=275258
I've added a sideboard to it now. any suggestions?
Sword works. It's expensive, but the 'green' side of what it does will leave you free to bust some more creatures or spells out in your second main phase. That should empty out their hand pretty fast, clearing the way for guul draz and quest's ability. Have you considered kormus bell? Would work excellently with sword. Take out the gftts if you do add it, you don't need them anymore with all that mega discard n beat down. Sideboard looks good. Leaves you one damnation for your other deck, and makes use of some of those cards we talked about/you had to cut from the mix before. Good build. Finished. Triple a plus dude
i'd definitely consider kormus bell if it could be played in modern. would be great for black aggro too
Oh, you play modern? Fair. Well in tat case it really is finished then. I can't think of anything else to add. :)
if you get a chance, could you look at this one too? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=346516
No worries.