Ascension of Crabs - 60

by boshimi336 on 03 November 2024

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Deck Description

The focus on this deck is interactions with Bloodchief Ascension and forcing damage and discards from your opponent. Also, I can say, "You've activated my trap card!" as I play Archive Trap! So that's always fun! Aggressive play supported by burn and landfall effects will typically get you in a dominant position by turn five or six; though this deck could be optimized further.

Deck Tags

  • Control
  • Discard
  • Bloodchief Ascension
  • crabs

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  • Not Legal in Standard
  • Not Legal in Modern
  • Legal in Vintage
  • Legal in Legacy

Deck discussion for Ascension of Crabs - 60

Any recommendations on better card efficiency, while keeping the Bloodchief Ascension theme in place? Mostly looking at some of the counter/burn spells to see if something better can be slotted in. Proliferate comes to mind but I don't want that to be sole focus ... maybe just a splash of it. I'm open to suggestions. :)

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Posted 13 February 2025 at 22:01

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Hang tight. I'm swamped with work stuff, but I'll be back on this in a few days, I've got some ideas

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Posted 15 February 2025 at 19:56

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Sounds good! What are you thinking dknight27?

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Posted 22 February 2025 at 08:41

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Ok, here we go.

The sequence you need here is: 1- a fielded Ascension, 2- an activated Ascension (3 turns of 2+ damage), 3- anything that mills/destroys/discards

Off the bat, there are some advantages. Firstly, that Ascension will only need to deal 14 damage, provided opponent isn't running lifegain (which you have a good chance of not seeing much of in any random matchup). Meaning, you only need a mill sequence of 7 cards in total once Ascension is activated. That's very easy to get, and everything opponent does/loses just cuts into that 7 card runway.

The problem is, the build does next to nothing without a fielded Ascension, has no way to get to it quickly, and doesn't have consistent wants to get your 2 damage turns. So, here are some solutions to make that happen:

First and foremost, you've got to get ahold of a 4th Ascension if you're running this deck in paper. They're 13 bucks, which isn't ideal, but that's unfortunately the cost of doing business. You also need to run cards like Ponder, Brainstorm, and/or Preordain, which will help you dig through your deck faster so you can get to your Ascension (and will help with the second part). It might also be worth running some search like Demonic Bargain

As for the 2 damage, the most elegant solution I see to that problem is to run Thermo-Alchemist, which nets 1 damage a turn on its own just by tapping itself, and will get you the second damage if you can play any instant or sorcery. Since I'm advocating for the majority of the deck to be instant/sorceries anyway, that's damn near perfect synergy.

There are a few instants/sorceries I'd advise running with Alchemist and in general in this build, such as Collective Brutality, which gets you a 2 damage turn as well as acting as a potential 6 damage off of Ascension once it's activated. Plus it's just a great compromise card, as if hates on critters if you need that or hates on control if you need that. The same is true for Collective Defiance.

Thought Scour is a free 4 damage off of Ascension that trips Alchemist. Reforge the Soul is hella useful with 1 or 2 copies, as you're going to miracle into it, hit opponent off the discard damage, and have a refilled hand. Windfall has a similar effect.

Risk Factor might find a unique home in this build, as you win either way, and can play it in opponent's endphase. It's either good for 8 damage and 2 counters on Ascension or 5 cards for 6 mana at tempo.

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Posted 25 February 2025 at 04:01

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This ... is amazing insight! I'll dig through my collection and also see if I can source a fourth Ascension. Thank you dknight27!

Do you have any recommendations for the most egregious cards to drop in favor of these suggested ones?

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Posted 25 February 2025 at 08:06

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While I've been Pondering (ha), I came up with a couple other damage dorks you could use: Eidolon of the Great Revel and Kolaghan's Command.

As for what would be shaved out, Jace's mill ability is too slow/conditional, even if it's +2 is (theoretically) as helpful to you as it is harmful to opponent (with a loaded Ascension). So, long story short, it's too conditional, and you can get better/the same effects from more reliable sources. Lightning Reaver is too expensive and too easy to kill (dies to a Lightning Bolt). Deny Reality is too expensive for what it does in this deck's context, as you can't combo it into bouncing anything you own for maximum effect or anything like that. Sign in Blood is useful in general for card advantage for you, but it's a worse version of Night's Whisper, unless you're trying to use it as a way to get 2 damage on opponent, which is a bad idea as it also lets them draw 2 cards (which is only useful with a fully charged Ascension). Archive Trap is a great idea as a finisher once Ascension is charged, as it's an OTK under almost all circumstances, but it's conditional (for the search), expensive (without the search), and a dead draw until you both have an Ascension and have it charged. You're better off going with a mill source that is more reliable/not a dead draw like Ruin Crab or Fractured Sanity (which is the full kill for 3 blue if you need it, or you can cycle it away and still get a good mill).

I'd rely on the crabs, Thought Scour, and an assortment of redraw/burn damage cards for the finisher over any big OTK mill source (reasoning above), so hopefully all of that clarification helps. I realize I'm proposing major changes to the build.

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Posted 25 February 2025 at 20:49

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Again, I appreciate the insight and it's something I'll seriously look into. These suggestions make sense to me 100% and are not ones I had thought of or considered.

If I could pick your brain further in a different direction, would you be willing to look at a separate deck I'm struggling with?
https://www.mtgvault.com/boshimi336/decks/gifted-tokens-60/

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Posted 26 February 2025 at 03:44

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Updated:
Deck Title to 'Ascension of Crabs' from 'Jace's Ascension'

Added:
1x Bloodchief Ascension
2x Thermo-Alchemist
4x Ruin Crab
4x Thought Scour
1x Negate
2x Reforge the Soul
4x Collective Brutality
2x Crosis's Charm

Removed:
3x Lightning Reaver
1x Volcanic Fallout
1x Archive Trap
4x Jace Beleren
2x Deny Reality
2x Essence Scatter
2x Terminate
4x Sign in Blood

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Posted 05 March 2025 at 18:12

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I'm considering swapping 2x Crosis's Charm for 2x Recoil, but it's a tossup. Recoil is good if their hand is empty and I can bounce something important to discard, otherwise ... I think I like the versatility of the Crosis's Charm. Ugh, hard to say. I'm looking for some token permanent bounce/removal in case an Enchantment or Artifact gets placed.

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Posted 05 March 2025 at 18:25

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