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I'm not really a tribal person, and vampires are especially one I didn't really bother with, so I'll try my best to offer help with that in mind :| Something that really made RB vampires around M11, at least to me, was Bloodghast with fetch lands, Viscera Seer, and Kalastria Highborn. Having that right there, made running vampires go onto autopilot aggro pretty much. Dark Confidant(or Dark Tutelage since he shot up in price) is a good way to refuel after something goes down. Arc Trail is generally considered a better choice than Volt Charge, pinging a creature and zapping somebody for two damage is really good for two mana. That's all I can think of other than lower the amount of singletons, and probably your mana curve in general.
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thank you, the advice is much appreciated, as i am rather new to magic i dont know exactly what a lot ofat alot of terms are, what exactly are considerd singletons?
Singletons are cards you only have one of. You usually want more than one of each card because if you only have one, you probably wont draw it.
I agree Check this deck out! http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=320421
Is this supposed to be standard?
no, i would love to compete in standard but sadly i dont have the money to keep up with other players
The best way to keep up with standard if you're on a budget (LIKE ME!) is to hit as many pre-release and sealed events as you can. This way, you get your boosters, planeswalker points (if they matter to you), and you gain the ability to network and trade. A lot of players will give out free commons if you need them and most of those I've interacted with are very careful not to take advantage of you when you trade. It's a very friendly environment and it's cheaper than spending the $350 you need to build a deck to keep up with some of the animals that play the game. This deck is good, Personally, I would add 3 Falkenrath Marauders and take out one of the lightning bolt, dismember, and go for the throat. Though it would cause you to have double cost in both colors, it's strong enough and can be played late to tremendous detriment of the opponent. If you can keep one heir and one captivator on the board until you play it, it will come in and swing for four (haste and flying) and then get 3 counters and swing for 7 the next turn. If nothing else, it's something your opponent will have to deal with immediately.
I have a friend who is rather obsessed with Vamps so I know how a deck like this works fairly well. WhiteAndBlueTheyKillYou is spot on for a lot of it. Although I would tend to disagree with Arc Trail > Volt Charge. This deck is going to run counters....lots and lots of counters. Proliferate is nice and with the direct damage I would say it's worth it. However, because there are so many lowbies you are going to need to buff them constantly. Throw in 2 "Curse of Stalked Prey". Swap the number of Stormkirks you have. 4 nobles and 2 captains Sub out the Child of Night for Vampire Nighthawk Sub Kalitas for another Bloodlord Ditch both contagion cards for another 2 Nighthawks Change burst lightning for guaranteed kill cards (you are running black after all) such as Feast of Blood or Doom Blade (sideboard something like Go for the Throat decks with black) Blade of the Bloodchief is FANTASTIC. Add more if you have them, just make sure that you remember it's there. My friend wasn't paying attention when a score of tokens died and he could have put 20+ counters on his creature. Also consider using some bloodcrazed neonites. They are an early drop that can buff FAST. if you lose them oh well. Finally I wouldn't bother with Bloodghasts in this, they are too expensive and will constantly lose their counters if you let them die (which is why they are there =D You asked for info...hope I didn't over do it. Cheers
Oh...one more thing, consider tezzeret's gambit. Yea it costs 2 life but WHO CARES when you get two cards AND get to double counters on everything!
thank you very much. greatly appreciated, Yeah i need more blades thats for sure, im still hunting for them and i agree i think i will swap the kalitas with another bloodlord, bloodlord is much, much more playable. as for swapping the burst lightning for kill spells i think im gonna do that, the only reason i have them in there is because i might need them to activate blood thirst from the bloodlord but by the time hes out i should be able to simply do damage with creatures, i much appreciate the criticism,
Glad I could be of help =D You don't really need to worry about the bloodthirst. If you start attacking early and you never let up your creature should be hitting all the time. So just play the bloodlord after you attack and you'll be fine. Also, even if you don't activate the bloodthirst on summon you can still play it. Just play some vamps afterwords and it's still worth it.
U might want to play black removal like doom blade or go for the throat
i agree.. ill throw some go for the throats in, for bigger creatures, mainly dumbass titans
Yeah. I think titans are ruining magic too
thank god there cycling out right!!!!!!!!
put in 4 of the BR scars land, 4 bloodghast and 1 or 2 vampiric fury for 1 captivateing vampire, 2 rakish heir, 2 mountians, 2 swamps, 1 doom blade, 1 lightning bolt
would dismember be better than doom blade? i just picked up a play set of those. also blood ghasts replacing the captivating? you think so?
I really like this deck. If you want this deck to be standard legal, take out the nighthawks and captivating nightmare. Consider using crossway vamp, child of the night, and olivia. But, if not - I'd go with gatekeeper of malikir, kalistra highborn, and vampire nighthawk as my main creatures. They'll consitently give you card avantage and board control. Sign in blood works good here too, especially if you have life gain from other cards like the nighthawks, child of night, etc.
thanks! i do have night hawks in there though, a play set. i was going to do gate keeper of maliker but i dont like the three black cost on it, i am thinking about the highborns though, appreciate it!
i'm not a huge fan of the captivating vampires or rakish heir. things to get: olivia voldaren, vampire nocturnus, blightning, and bloodghast. nice deck!
Oooo Blightning... Yea thats fun. Here's my take on standard vamps if you're interested. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=291493
ooh never seen white and black!!!!!!! cant afford LORD OF INNISTRAD THOUGH!!!
Heres my take on white black :) great for multiplayer and the life gain can keep it in a duel with luck, not to expensive either. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=225674
check out my heartless summoning birthing pod combo deck http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=308660
Great input. That deck is a great constructive example of how a new player should make a vampire deck... *rolls eyes*
Love it man! Great look at some awesome cards. I got something kind of like your's but some added non-creature cards. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=318805
Get rid of the bloodline keepers for Falkenrath Aristocrats. The aristocrats are much faster and survive board wipes / targeted removal spells that don't involve "target creature gets -x/-x til end of turn"
I would its just that i would like to be able to take advantage of there sacrifice a human abilities, any suggestions
Don't need humans. Her ability is awesome without cause it saves her when she might have otherwise died. Also if your opponent is playing humans you can steal them with your Captivating Vamps (or with Olivia if you put her in which I STRONGLY recommend if your going for aggro control) and use their humans for sacing purposes. I also think you should consider putting in Flings. They work WONDERS with vamps since your vamps keep getting bigger. Nothing is more amazing then swinging for 7 damage turn 4 or 5 with a vamp and then flinging it for another 7 damage for the win :)
Isn't there a curse that puts +1/+1s on creatures that does damage to that player? maybe that could help
i play vamps and 1 card the helps is birthing pod pay the 2 life to get a better vamp
So, I'm going to assume this is Modern. In which case I would suggest a few things; Bloodghast + Fetch Land Now this is probably aggro vampire's best solution. It's almost a constant attacker. Along with buffs from things like Vampire Nocturnus and Stromkirk Captain he'll prove that he's incredibly worthy. The cheapest Fetch Land I'd suggest is Marsh Flats. It's about $10. Creature Buffs Now people will probably assume I'm talking about singleton buffs. No. Like I suggested earlier, two creature's that are almost incredibly viable for a Vampire deck are Vampire Nocturnus and Stromkirk Captain. Unfortunately the Nocturnus goes for about $20 so something you could also use would be Adaptive Automatron. The Captain's like $1 and the Automatron is about $2-3. Awesome B/R Spells. The two I will suggest off the back are Blightning and Bituminous Blast. The Blightning is awesome card advantage over your opponent ad the Blast will allow you to cascade into just about everything in your deck. Sorin Markov Im sorry, but this guy just doesn't fit here. Sure he can put someone down to 10, but a 6 drop (with triple black demanding) isn't exactly AMAZING. I'd consider adding in (if you wanna stick with Planeswalkers) 2 Liliana of the Veil's or (if you go more creatures) two Kalastria Highborns. Anyway, I did tribal vampire's in Zendikar so this is my two cents from running U/B Vampires in Standard then.
put marsh flats in with my br deck? odd, but bitimous blast is definitly going in, also i have a playset of captains in there, im trying to strike gold between aggro and control
Yes. There's no modern R/B build and it filters your deck, pulling a swamp out.
The fetch land filtering is just a myth. It only improves the odds you won't get a swamp by like 2%. If your looking to Min/Max the deck and have 40+ bucks to spare on 4 cards sure. Otherwise not needed. Definitely take out the planeswalker though. He doesn't really fit with the other cards and are taking up space where an Olivia or other good spell card might work better.
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If it actually does decrease odds, then it's not a myth. 2% is 2%. You want to decrease the odds of pulling lands on draws as much as possible when you don't have the ability to increase your draw count. The only bad thing here is that R/B doesn't have it's own fetch land in Modern.
Fine not a myth just really really unnecessary. I for one would rather buy USEFUL cards with $40 rather than 4 cards that might possibly kinda sorta reduce the chances of pulling a land. Especially when games only last 4-6 turns anyways.
I run a very similar deck but instead of rakish heir I run vampire nocturnus, and instead of 2 sorins I run 1 Liliana. Check it out if you have time tell me what you think. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=316033
I say this look brilliant, i'd say maybe a curse or two to either double damage output or increase counters being placed, but it still is a really solid build!
really appreciate it thanks, im trying to have as many buff vampires as i possibly can, as for the curses, would you say i should go with curse of blood letting or curse of stalked prey?
stalked prey for sure. it's nasty in a deck like this. Things get really big, really fast with that
sideboard 2 bloodletting in case you need the extra oomph, but stalked prey should be mainboard, its stupid good for vamps
Tallyaeon suggested Falkenrath Aristocrats. Don't worry about its ability wanting humans to sacrifice - the fact it's a 4 power flying that can save itself is MUCH more important than the small boosts a human would give. Your captains/other vampire buffers will be more than enough.
so....better than bloodline?
Way better than bloodline. Plus you have enough vampire lords anyways.
what about olvia?she is a br vamp that is AMAZING or would be in this deck because i can take there creatures and shoot off little guys? seems really good
If your not shooting for standard. I would cut the dismembers and throw in tragic slips, the bloodghasts are great, I also think that Feast of Blood is pretty great. I think that Anwon the ruin sage and gatekeepers of malikir are fun to have in all vamp decks. I also would probably cut the rakish heirs and just put in curse of the stalked prey. I would also probably cut one sorin.
You might want to cut dismember for either lightning bolt or tragic slip. Lightning bolt is good because it clears early blockers so your vamps can get in, and it get get the last few points of damage u need. I would personally cut the dismembers for lightning bolt. If u get your hands on some Olivia's replace the bloodlines with them. Another nice vamp is vampire nighthawk
I meant vampire nocturnus, not nighthawk. Also u should really cut the sorins, because u are trying to win early, so if u ever play one you either are about to kill them, so u don't need it, or are losing and it's not really going to help u stabalize
I love it. Powerful, fast enough, minor lifegain, decent destruction... ah! I continue to think of suggestions, but every one of them I shoot down. I'd consider adding Blade of the Bloodchief, but then, you'd have to use that Zendikar Vampire strategy mostly featuring Bloodthrone Vampire, and therefore, make your deck entirely black while adding Kalastria Highborn, Bloodghast, and Bloodthrone. (I have a deck that IS based on that: you may take a look here: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=318261) However, what I WOULD suggest is Curse of Stalked Prey or... maybe Falkenrath Mauraders... or maybe Markov Blademaster. The whole +1/+1 counter ability seems to be current-day Vampires' main ability, and if you can improve that with the Curse... well, that'd be good. The Mauraders and Blademaster are just good vampires with that ability. You probably shouldn't change it, though. It's good as it is, so just take my suggestions as a grain of salt.
The curse would be overkill since most of his vamps have the ability already and rakish heir gives the ability as well (per heir on the field). Blademaster is awesome since he gets 2 counters and increases the damage of his second swing due to double-strike. Marauders are bleh. I've used them before in standard and found them to be extremely disappointing (very slow and very costly. Either they never hit the field cause one of us was dead already or when they did get into play they lasted all of 1 turn for 2 damage. Not worth it's 5 mana cost impo)
i was running 2 falkenrath maruaders and i love them!, but for the vamp deck im shooting for, he cost to much, so i put them in my monored aggro haste, but i think there very underrated personally. i do have a question though, would sol ring be a good idea in this?
There is a lot of comments and I didn't read them all, but instead of Bloodline Keepers maybe drop them for more control and go with Grim Affliction
i appreciate the criticism, but ive got a quik question, whats with all the hate on bloodline keeper, i dropped 35$ on a play set, am i missing something? is he not good? i was told hes the defining vamp.
Get rid of the sorin's
would sol rings be a good idea in this?
Why would you need Sol rings? You have a good, low mana curve, and enough land in there you should be good. You shouldn't really need the extra 2 colorless. As for Bloodline keeper, I imagine it has to do with the kind of vampire deck you're building. His big abilities are vamp tokens and the +2/+2. However, you have cheaper cards like Alluring Vampire for the buff, and you don't need a token generator with so many useful vampires. I think people are trying to lean you towards another useful vampire in Olivia, rather than doubling up on things you already have.
Ah- should have added that many vampire lords like Alluring Vampire are not usable in Standard. Bloodline Keeper may have a bigger presence in Standard, which could explain why you heard he was so useful.
Nice Deck I would use tragic slip rather than dismember
I like Dismember for consistency. And as for my 2 cents: Love the deck, but Keeper should definitely be switched for Olivia if you're playing in a Modern atmosphere. She is quite the useful creature in many scenarios, at least go two and two with them.
with rakish heir it is very useful to have your oponents battlefield clear especially in the early turns so kill spells are very good. geth's verdict means you done get to chose the creature but it has no colour restrictions and also gets around indestructable. Heres my r/b vamp deck that uses this mechanic http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=275137
I took a stab at modifying this deck into something I'd play. I really like the base it's built on, but I made some changes to speed the whole deck up and lower the mana curve. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=319552
How the fuck did this make front page? Awful.
everyone here seems to disagree, also just took a look at your list. i see a lot of expensive cards but nothing even remotely worth using. Id even go as far as to say nothing in your list would stand a chance against this particular deck.
Yes, the aggro deck with 16 3 drops, 2 6 drops, and 22 lands would annihilate a legacy disruption deck. YUP.
1. any idiot can make a control deck, 2. your the one coming on to MY page and acting like a little punk kid, 3.did i say my deck was complicated? no, did i say it has a bunch of cool combos? no, did i say it took alot of thought to build? no, but guess what i dont really care, why? because it gets the job done. 4. thanks for seeing it my way. now please kindly go to hell =]
I wasn't so much bashing your deck, as much as the overall quality of decks making front page. Front page decks are typically very well thought out, unlike this one.
the deck works well, actually really well, so i dont know where you get off saying its a bad deck,
so, not strictly standard, then I think that you should sub out your doom blades for terminates. 1 red 1 black: destroy target creature, it cant be regenerated. I think that it would fit very well. Or urge to feed might be usefull. -3/-3 and tap ny number of untaped vamps you control, they each get a +1/+1 counter.
i have no doom blades? but thanks for the advice, i had planned to get my hands on a playset of terminates for a while now. appreciated!
the doomblades are in your sideboard.
if you don"t care about standard then vampires are much better with blue/black i ran U/B Vamps right up to before the set cycled and we lost Zendikar it beats R/B vamps easy and i never lost with it!
NEW Solar Flare That's right, its back and better then ever! http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=320057
Didn't really take you much thought to make this deck, did it....
no, not really. but its a simple and solid build, and it works great, and its incredibly fast. and thats what matters.
my only advice i can offer at this point is maybe switch out ur 2 contagion clasp for contaigion engine it doesnt cost much more for the original cost, -1s EVERY creature instead of just one, and for the same price for the activated effect u get a second polliferate plus they arent that hard to come by
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=318842 and there's my B/R vampire deck if anyone cares to reference it. its been 2 yrs in the making and i believe i have it just the way i want it...for now :D
great, considering its vampires. I think some gut shots would do..? Idk... lolz. Check out my blog, http://mtgreviewer.wordpress.com/
blackcleve cliffs?, bloodghast?
Great deck. Was wondering if you could look at mine: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=315240
add 2 chandra, the firebrand to youre sideboard...it needs 2 more anyways and she works great with sorin
Cut the sorins
you know you need 2 more cards in youre sideboard right?
I AGREE WITH FLING, IT PWNZORS. also, try Malakir Bloodwitch. she has a big ass, does damage and gives you life. Would like some feedback on either of the following decks I have been winning or placing FNM with: Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=321189 Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=321289
Try running at least 1 anowon, ruin sage. its great for a full vamp theme like this :)