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Thallid spore counters and ways to accelerate them.
Make lots of Saprolings and attack with them. Fungi gain Spore counters each upkeep. Paradox Haze gives more upkeeps, so more Spore counters. Sporoloth Ancient reduces the number of Spore counters needed to make a Saproling. Sporesower Thallid gives additional Spore counters each upkeep. Zameck Guildmage and Novijen, Heart of Progress put +1/+1 counters on creatures. Sprout Swarm and Scatter the Seeds provide more Saprolings. Simic Charm help protect creatures from targeted removal.
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Looks good but i would recommend to play your keycars like Paradox Haze and Thallid as 4-of. Also i recommend to cut Mizzium Skin because you already got Simic Charm for hexproof and 6 cards sound too much to me.
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Good point. How's this?
Much better. By the way i like the idea of using Zameck Guildmage and Novijen!
I was originally going to make this 3 colours, with White as the splash, and use Gavony Township and Sigil Captain, but then I realised the Guildmage and Novijen do practically the same thing without the need for splashing a 3rd colour. Should I put a 2nd Novijen in?
In my opinion the Gavony and Sigil Captain are stronger, since Gavony boosts creatures already in play also. But a splash without shock lands would slow this down too much. Go for G/W with Glare of Subdual or G/U Paradox Haze but no 3 colour, maybe even G/B for removal. ;-)I think 1 Novijen is enough. Drawing a 2nd would be a dead card. I look at Novijen more like a 4th untouchable Guildmage.
Gavony and the Captain are definitely stronger options, but like you said, without the better duals, a 3rd colour isn't exactly viable. I normally run my Thallids GW (with Gavony, Captain, and Pallid Mycoderm), but I REALLY want to use my Paradox Haze too.GB is an option I haven't tested. Opens up to Deathspore Thallid and Thelon of Havenwood (in addition to a ton of kill spells). Might try work on a GB after testing this one out. I'm looking at a set of Death Pit Offering in my folder...
I've been using a GB version with maelstrom pulse, abrupt decay, and deathspore. Deathspore with Chord of Calling turns saprolings into instant removal. Have you thought about a one-of Mycoloth with Chord of Calling? You tap all of your saprolings at the end of your opponent's turn to chord for mycoloth, eat all of your tapped saprolings, and put twice as many into play on your upkeep
I would consider Chord and Mycoloth, but sadly, outside of forking money out for them, I can't get any. This is more a fun idea and any money I spend will go towards my (slightly) more competitive decks. If the chance does come up, I'd gladly trade for them.
Makes sense, I got lucky when chord prices bottomed out with the reprint last year, so I picked up a set. +1 for the deck good sir.
Maybe Beck // Call? Call won't be of much use but Beck can be good when timed right. Also Psychotrope Thallid for some card draw.
I actually have 2 Beck // Call. I do see two problems though: do I really need the draw (lots of redundancy with the Fungi), and how would I make space for it? Remember, Zameck Guildmage's second ability draws me cards.
Sorry to whomever suggested Thelonite Hermit, I deleted the wrong comment.
You can´t ignore my criticism forever!!!! But joke aside: NP ^^
If I could afford to waste money on a side project like this, I'd definitely consider it. Sadly, I live in South Africa and the exchange rate is about ZAR 15.70 to USD 1
Ou, thats harsch. But even without the Hermit it´s a nice deck ;)But then let me suggest Vorel of the Hull Clade for 2 mana and tapping he gives every permanent with a counter on it another of those counters. Also he is 1/4 for cmc 3 witch makes a good early blocker.
Vorel can only target one permanent, but it adds an additional counter for each type of counter on that one permanent. Proliferate is the closest ability I can think of that can put a counter on all the creatures. Plaguemaw Beast sounds like it could do the job pretty well, just sac a Sapriling each turn to put an additional spore and +1/+1 counter on each creature. At 5 mana, even with Utopia Mycon's help, I'd probably only run 2, if any at all. Problem here is making space for it (maybe in place of Scatter the Seeds?).
Sorry to correct you but Vorel adds a counter on each permanent with a counter on it also consider That legendary green elf that gives all you creatures +1/+1 for each spore counter ( I forgot the name).
Sorry to correct your correction, but it says target. Singular. So it's only one permanent, not all of them.
Oh right... I missread "each counter" o.O sorry and thanks^^
Happens to all of us. No harm done
Oh, by the way: Could any of you take a look at my sultai edh deck? I can´t get the curve right...http://www.mtgvault.com/mrgop1/decks/voroshs-counter-horde/
This deck would benefit greatly from Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
The main use I see is her [-2] for the +1/+1 counters, and I feel 3 Guildmages and 1 Novijen is enough. Her [+1] puts out a Plant, not a Saproling. [-7] is cool, but I doubt she'd survive that long. Either she will be taken out; or myself; or I've defeated my opponent. So while it's a good card, I don't think she's necessary here.
i don't often say this but i love this deck idea. i don't see it winning any tournaments anytime soon but i see it doing wonderfully in casual games of all kinds. i assume you're running the evolving wilds for mana fixing but since your mana curve is so green intensive i would see about going with maybe a two color land that is budget friendly. temple of mystery seems to be going down every day and they come with the benefit of the scry which really can help in many games. yavimaya is a bit faster and is relatively readily available but possibly a bit more expensive :) happy building.
The Temple might be budget friendly in terms of $, but I don't have any. Still not sure if I'd use it over Thornwood Falls. Both etb tapped, and while one allows a scry (which is great), the other gains me 1 life (which is quite good too).
Mycoloth *cough cough*
Don't have any, otherwise it would definitely be in.
Add some proliferate and Corel of the Hull Clan
Pretty nice deck you have here. But instead of Novijen, how about Oran-Rief, the Vastwood? Saves you 2 mana. ;-)
Oran-Rief is obviously better, but sadly I don't have any. If I had, I'd definitely use it.
I've got an all-green Fungus deck, and I have some cards for you to think about:[Thelon of Havenwood] // {GG}, Legendary Elf Druid // Each Fungus gets +1/+1 per Spore Counter on it; {GG}, remove a Fungus in a graveyard from the game: add a spore counter to each Fungus in play.>> [Mycoloth] // {3GG}, Fungus // Devour 2; At the beginning of your upkeep, put a 1/1 green Saproling creature token onto the battlefield for each +1/+1 counter on Mycoloth.>> Absolutely TONS of Saprolings. Good synergy with the Utopia Mycon. Works best if you can add more +1/+1 counters over time, but pretty good just by itself.[Sporesower Thallid] // {2GG}, Fungus // At the beginning of your upkeep, put a spore counter on each Fungus you control; Remove three spore counters from Sporesower Thallid: Put a 1/1 green Saproling creature token onto the battlefield.There's some extra synergy for a deck that tries to get more and more +1/+1 counters going on in my deck; take a gander, there might be an idea or two worth borrowing: http://www.mtgvault.com/seanl/decks/x4-spore-culture/
I have 2 Thelon of Havenwood, though I'd rather use them in a BG variant that also uses Deathspore Thallid. Mycoloth is a little out of my price range as I've built this with what I have / can trade for. Not wanting to fork out money for side project, at least not yet. Sporesower Thallid is already in the deck.
Fair enough. :)
how come there is no doubling season?also beast masters assention making all the 1/1's, 6/6's.
Doubling season is HELLA expensive, in terms of money to buy it.
Doubling Season is another one of those 'if I had it' cards.
Fair enough. Their are budget versions that you could use that are cheaper, less effective but more budget friendly such as parallel lives, and growing ranks. As for beast master's I don't believe it's incrediblely expensive.
you may try Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
Already been suggested and I've already given my reason for not including it.
orry, i did not read whole discussion, coz of not enought time
A Doubling season would do well in this deck (twice as many spore counters and saprolings)
Doubling season costs ALOT. It's also one of those "If he had it" kind of cards (both mentioned above)
Very nice deck! You inspired me to finish my own Spore deck i started a while back. I definitely like your take on it :)
Thanks :DThis one is more of an experiment. I normally run a GW version with Pallid Mycoderm and Mycologist, but I seem to have misplaced 3 of my Mycologist :(
Interesting, mine so far is mono green and I was considering making it a GW deck, but I still have to get some cards myself that are GW and are in the spore theme.
Have you considered Sprout Swarm? Is horribly op in a Thallid deck.
Does convoke help you pay the buyback cost?
Eyup. It's a key reason I added it to my Midnight Gond deck.
Well, holy cow! That card just flew straight into my deck. Almost done, thank you for the suggestion
Nice, like Saproling decks. Those tiny little buggers can be pretty nasty. How about Obelisk of Urd or Overrun to make them even nastier?Obelisk is awesome, since you got lots of stuff to use the Convoke mechanic and can use it for Fungus instead of Saproling if need be. Also good if you play against Red mass-damage or Black mass--1/-1 decks. And Overrun is just a great finisher! Everything +3/+3 and Trample, here we gooo!I'd probably take out Sprout Swarm (maybe even Scatter the Seeds) for these because you already get a ton of Saproling tokens through your creatures. I would keep one Sprout Swarm though as it makes a nice mana sink after all.
I don't have any problem swapping out Scatter the Seeds for something, but Sprout Swarm stays, it's just too powerful. More often than not, it provides more Saprolings than the Thallids (or just as much) per turn.
Ah okay, good to know, in that case pick one depending on your meta. If there's lots of cards around that damage/-1 your Saprolings then run 2 Obelisk of Urd. If not I'd say Overrun is the stronger card as it simply makes your whole board a threat and ends the match most of the time.
Alternatively you could use huge single target buffs that profit off your masses of tokens.Cards like Might of the Masses and Chorus of Might.Cheaper and instant but more susceptible to single-spot removal.
How about Tezzeret's Gambit? gives you cards and more +1/+1 and spore counters
Wow, this deck looks really good! And budget! Kewl! +1!
cba to read all through the comments but you can always use guilder barin + paradise mantle + Training grounds
As great of an include as that is (believe me, I know), that's three extra cards you're talking about adding here. What would he drop to make room for them, and how many of each of those three cards would he need to add to make it worth adding them at all?
A mycocloth would work well here.
What would you do if you had infinite money to make it not so budget?
Mycoloth would be one of the first things I'd include. Rare dual lands and fetch lands too. Might even go 3 colours (thanks to the abundance of duals and fetches) to include some awesome white cards / cards that require white (Gavony Township and Ready // Willing comes to mind). And let's not forget Doubling Season.
Maybe ad some sort of overrun efect cards in? Maybe you could also take one or two paradoxes out since the extra upkeep only triggers once, making multiple of them in your hand dead cards. Also the counterspells could be placed in the sideboard if you need to make some room.
Paradox's upkeeps do indeed stack.
Only two suggestions. First is Xenograft which would let you add 'Fungus' to the creature type of your saprolings so they gain the spore counters from Sporesower Thallid. Second is (if you have it or can trade for it) Followed Footsteps to enchant Sporesower Thallid.
Why Modern? You miss Elvish Farmer, Spore Flower and Fungal Bloom. I mean, this ain't be tournament material anyway.You are also missing one of the best Thallids ever printed: Psychotrope Thallid! With him you can find key cards easily and you'll never run out of shrooms! He would even smooth out the mana curve if you replace some of the redundant cc-1-Thallids and/or Sprout Swarm, which, at some point, will only give you more of what you have plenty of either way.
Because my group only plays Standard and Modern. This means I normally only have access to Modern and Standard stuff. Psychotrope is a brilliant Thallid, but outside of ordering them online, I don't have access to them. And with the current exchange rate, I can barely afford the stuff I need for my tournament (FNM) decks.
Hm, that must suck. I am so glad to have group of players with card pools of all expensions, ever. Where do you live, BTW? Because you are talking of exchange rates.
South Africa. Currently it's ZAR 14.68 = USD 1Witch is lower than last week (was ZAR 15+).
Whats the average paycheck in SA?
I don't know about the average, but I earn a measly ZAR 4800 per month :'(
Okay, that explains alot, also the necessity to play Modern. I tend to forget how good it is for a Magic player to live in a country that picked up Magic early and has it's own cards, language wise. In fact, german was the first (or tied first with french I think) language Magic was translated to.Anyways, I have to say it's exhilarating that we collaborate on Magic decks even though we are from so many different places, races and cultures! You are the first african Magic player I know! I do have Magic friends in Denmark, Netherlands, Finland, Hong Kong, Taiwan and the States, all of which I've met personally.
Well, in addition to the money problems, I also only started playing Magic at the end of Kamigawa. Lucky for me, I managed to collect a set of Sensei's Divining Top, which I'm trying to sell to someone from another city in SA who actually plays a format that they're legal in.This cross continental, interracial collaboration is probably the best part about the internet :P
If you are willing to splash White, Pallid mycoderm and Mycologist, also Soul Sister of whatever flavor. I love the mycoderm "Sac a sap, give everthing +1/+1.
I know of all those, but that also means a hefty (and pricy) overhaul to the mana base. Efficient lands are expensive.